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   03-05-2008, 9:03 AM
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Cave shmups coming to 360!

apparently Ketsui and Dodonpachi DOJ are going to be ported to the 360

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=18969 Amazing, totally didnt see this coming. lets hope for region free or even us/europe release.

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   03-05-2008, 9:21 AM
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heh, I forgot to check the post date, someone bumped the thread. well, at least there is hope.
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   03-05-2008, 12:04 PM
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Great news for me, bad news for my wallet...
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   03-05-2008, 2:25 PM
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that'd be great, shmups are so much fun. I would also love to see Touhou on the 360 but I doubt that will ever happen. Some of the bullet patterns in Touhou are awesome looking. http://images.tabulas.com/4265/l/danmaku.jpg
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   03-05-2008, 4:50 PM
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so there is a god... Big Smile [:D]

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   03-05-2008, 7:25 PM
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Sweet..
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   03-06-2008, 2:45 AM
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http://www.petitiononline.com/Dtoid/petition.html
Sign the petition to make it stateside!
Yeah I know these things are useless most of the time, but they do have influence (Bioshock, bionic commando wii)

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   03-06-2008, 1:53 PM
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 shmupdoctor wrote:
http://www.petitiononline.com/Dtoid/petition.html
Sign the petition to make it stateside!
Yeah I know these things are useless most of the time, but they do have influence (Bioshock, bionic commando wii)
signed. =)
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   03-07-2008, 1:03 AM
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Done..

Maybe down the road we'll see Espgaluda ported? haha.. Wishful thinking..
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   03-07-2008, 1:40 AM
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I hope these will be region free.
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   03-11-2008, 10:16 PM
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~SIGNED~

Oh, man, I hope somebody realizes that they'll sell substantially more copies of these games in the US if they make them XBLA releases.

...a guy can dream, can't he?

 

 

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   03-26-2008, 12:14 AM
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 Marco Malvado wrote:

~SIGNED~

Oh, man, I hope somebody realizes that they'll sell substantially more copies of these games in the US if they make them XBLA releases.

...a guy can dream, can't he?

 

 

Um, this might sound dumb, but what the heck is cave shumps?


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   03-26-2008, 1:48 AM
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No such thing as a dumb question, Geth. Cave is the game developer who made some of the most highly-regarded shmups (shoot-em-ups like Triggerheart) for Japanese arcade machines. Here's some info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_(company)

 

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   03-26-2008, 12:50 PM
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DonDonPachi and Ketsui FTW! Cant Wait. Im also praying that Espgaluda and Mushihimesama Futari get a port over to the Xbox Arcade. Espgaluda - http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_jaMYDvac0  Mushihimesama - http://youtube.com/watch?v=ldj8iPsFSyQ

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   03-26-2008, 3:31 PM
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If DDPDOJBL and Ketsui do really well on the 360, my guess is that Deathsmiles and/or Mushihime-sama Futari will be next, and Espgaluda 2 is also a strong possibility.



3 reasons why I think this : First, because these 3 are more recent. Second, because they seem to be the most popular Cave games in Japan. Third, because none of them have been ported yet either.



Again, just my guess (wish).
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   03-26-2008, 4:59 PM
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Not likely as one of the creators said it will be difficult since its up to the publisher to unlock/lock.  And Japan likes to lock their games.  But there is hope that 5pb will pick it up and distribute it outside japan.

 Zaarock wrote:

apparently Ketsui and Dodonpachi DOJ are going to be ported to the 360

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=18969 Amazing, totally didnt see this coming. lets hope for region free or even us/europe release.


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   03-26-2008, 6:30 PM
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 yakumoHMJ wrote:
If DDPDOJBL and Ketsui do really well on the 360, my guess is that Deathsmiles and/or Mushihime-sama Futari will be next, and Espgaluda 2 is also a strong possibility.



3 reasons why I think this : First, because these 3 are more recent. Second, because they seem to be the most popular Cave games in Japan. Third, because none of them have been ported yet either.



Again, just my guess (wish).
Deathsmiles would be a pleasent surprise also.^^ I personally think that Twinkle Star Sprites would be a hit as well.

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   03-26-2008, 7:16 PM
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 Omniislash wrote:
I personally think that Twinkle Star Sprites would be a hit as well.

No doubt! I've been telling my friends for a while now what a natural Twinkle Star Sprites would be over XBL! Awesome 2-player game!

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   03-26-2008, 9:07 PM
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 Omniislash wrote:
I personally think that Twinkle Star Sprites would be a hit as well.

No doubt! I've been telling my friends for a while now what a natural Twinkle Star Sprites would be over XBL! Awesome 2-player game!

I agree 100%. The co-op would be great and I think that it really looks like its meant to be on LIVE arcade. Im happy to say that it may appeal to the American audience even though most shmups and hardcore Japanese Arcade games don't get the repect they deserve. Most gems go unheard of by gamers.

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   03-27-2008, 12:31 AM
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 Omniislash wrote:
 Marco Malvado wrote:

 Omniislash wrote:
I personally think that Twinkle Star Sprites would be a hit as well.

No doubt! I've been telling my friends for a while now what a natural Twinkle Star Sprites would be over XBL! Awesome 2-player game!

I agree 100%. The co-op would be great and I think that it really looks like its meant to be on LIVE arcade. Im happy to say that it may appeal to the American audience even though most shmups and hardcore Japanese Arcade games don't get the repect they deserve. Most gems go unheard of by gamers.


No doubt.  Dont discredit the rather large gathering of devote shmup fans here in the states who have heard and played these great japanese gems (: !

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   03-27-2008, 1:32 PM
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I wish it will launch on XBLA, if not, it´s not going to be an easy game to get... It won´t probably reach Europe, and that would be a waste.
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   03-28-2008, 6:18 PM
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 KMetalmind wrote:
I wish it will launch on XBLA, if not, it´s not going to be an easy game to get... It won´t probably reach Europe, and that would be a waste.
http://www.xblah.net/2008/03/5pb.html

- there has been lot of hate agains MS on NeoGAF about this, but ... while I hate to admit it, I do belive this was actually good decision on MS side...

 

Anyway, the Cave compilation is said to be region-free, if they dont find publisher in US/PAL => you should be able to import it from shops in Asia.

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   03-28-2008, 9:32 PM
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I am glad that these are commercial release instead of XBLA ones.



But then again, I have a JP 360...I do hope they're region-free for those who don't.



Also, I too would love to see Twinkle Star Sprites on XBLA.
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   03-29-2008, 11:35 AM
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http://www.xblah.net/2008/03/5pb.html

- there has been lot of hate agains MS on NeoGAF about this, but ... while I hate to admit it, I do belive this was actually good decision on MS side...

I don´t think so, the correct place for a game like this is XBLA. Not a retail title. It won´t sell well anywhere besides Japan, it won´t be easy to get anywhere else without importing, and the price will always be higher than the XBLA.

And maybe it´s me, but games like Tempest, that has an evolved mode but fails to do it right, are a lot worse than straight ports. And there are those new games that are REALLY bad, a lot worse than most ports... Castlevania was a port, and it was one of the most valuable titles of XBLA in 2007.

Shmups are one of those genres that is good how it is. It doesn´t need improved graphics.

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   03-29-2008, 2:08 PM
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I believe Microsoft does not want to flood XBLA with games, since that could hurt sales ... if they have to choose, I see why they do not choose games like DoDonPachi
- its not well known franchise (unlike Castlevania, Sonic, Ikaruga, ...)
- its not classic game people would buy out of nostalgia (TNMT, Double Dragon, ...)
- its not accessible to casual gamers (remember all the people complaining about Omega 5?)
- its not very good looking game (yes, it does matter if you are trying to sell game to crowds)

 

I cant imagine anyone on my friendslist buying Cave game and if I buy this minicompilation myself, it would be only to support the genre. (I hope Triggerheart Exelica sold well, because I would love to see games like Under Defeat on XBLA)

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   03-30-2008, 5:35 PM
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What a horrible decision to NOT put these great ARCADE games on XBLA.

I'll be buying Ikaruga for sure, but I doubt I'll be buying anymore XBLA titles till they sort themselves out and put these two on it.

Give UK DoDonPachi DaiOuJou Black Label X, we know it's out there and we want it!!
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   03-30-2008, 5:37 PM
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 uzivatel wrote:

I believe Microsoft does not want to flood XBLA with games, since that could hurt sales ... if they have to choose, I see why they do not choose games like DoDonPachi
- its not well known franchise (unlike Castlevania, Sonic, Ikaruga, ...)
- its not classic game people would buy out of nostalgia (TNMT, Double Dragon, ...)
- its not accessible to casual gamers (remember all the people complaining about Omega 5?)
- its not very good looking game (yes, it does matter if you are trying to sell game to crowds)

 

I cant imagine anyone on my friendslist buying Cave game and if I buy this minicompilation myself, it would be only to support the genre. (I hope Triggerheart Exelica sold well, because I would love to see games like Under Defeat on XBLA)



I dont think MS thinks they would be flooding the market.  You either love or hate shmups.  There is no middle ground.  The die-hard fans would buy 15 great shmups if they hit the marketplace.  Then you have those who simply buy games for this virtual ego called gamerscore.  So you have 2 groups of people who would be buying games.  The direction of technology is moving online and if not now, in the forseeable future  The only cool thing i can see about a disc release is for those who like to collect or to have a phsyical copy (booklet, dvd (maybe) artwork)).

Its not a well-known franchise to people who do not play shmups.  If you took a poll amongst above-average shmup players and the top of the crop I guarantee you ikaruga and dondonpachi would have similiar numbers concerning familiarity (played, word of mouth etc).

Look at it this way: THE made it to the XBLA and donpachi series is way better than THE as is Ikaruga as is Batsugun as is border down as is gigawing and on and on.  I dont know what makes those games any different.  I think at the moment, MS is out of touch with the digital market place and are looking to make M$ or put out crappy games.  Pick your poison.

I can think of a few games on xbla that werent really great looking and have sold well.

Also where did you hear that Raiden will be region free?  Cause as far ive read its up to the publiser and being the game is coming from japan is most likely gonig to be ntsc-j.

Why wouldnt you buy a shmup?  if you're a true fan of the genre i would expect just about everyone to buy the game, regardless of it being on a disc, in a seashell or ontop of a mountain.

Maybe if your friends are playing FPS then ya i could see them not wanting to buy a shmup.  Again, shmup circles arent that big, but the following itself is rather large and devote.



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   03-31-2008, 11:52 AM
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ikaruga is so clos to bein available if indeed that 9th of april release is for all regions
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   04-01-2008, 8:28 AM
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I dont think MS thinks they would be flooding the market.  You either love or hate shmups...
Its somewhat hard to argue with you, because I wish you were right... Smile [:)]
As a gamer, I would like to see as many games on XBLA as possible, but I do not think this is how the service works. Many people download new games every week, try these games and sometimes unlock them. Their decision is based solely on the trial. Many XBLA games are created by small companies, who can not afford big advertising and only depend on people downloading these trials ... the thing is, if there are too many trials, people stop playing all of them.
I am not "true fan of the genre", I have always liked shmups, but I am not really good at playing them. I found THE difficult, but I keep on playing it, because it is fun. When I see youtube videos with DoDonPachi gameplay, I feel like the game would not be much fun as it seems pretty much impossible to play (with my limited skills) ... and thats is how most non-shmup gamers would end up feeling after playng the trial.
Hardcore shmup gamers are going to buy the boxed copy anyway, they dont need the game to be on arcade.
No idea about Raiden Fighter Aces, but that one is likely to be region locked.
(as for gamerscore hunters ... retail 1000GP > arcade 200GP Wink [;)])
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   04-02-2008, 1:17 PM
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You have a point, but personally I´m not going to buy a game that is not released here, in a box or in XBLA. That means I won´t play DoDonPachi, and I´m sure there is more people out there that thinks the same. Oh... Sad [:(]

At least Ikaruga is launching next week, and I´ll buy it surely ^^

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