Xbox live has been going for a number of years now, and is the biggest online console community, yet despite this, it's still missing NUMEROUS features that even it's competitors have picked up on, and this is absolutely ridiculous. In this thread I'm just going to highlight the main three that having been pissing me off lately.


No internet Browser - Despite Microsoft being the only console developer with it's very own Internet Browser, why is it that it doesn't have it's own web browser on XBL, despite the PS3, Wii, and even the NDSL having an internet browser. I find this extremely hard to believe, and I don't see why time hasn't been invested into making this a reality on XBL.

Group/ List Messaging - This is particurlarly annoying when, if you're in my position, and you're trying to message your entire clan in relation to clan activities. Instead of just having a list where all clan members are instantly messaged, instead you have to cycle through your entire friends list, just to be able to highlight everyone, and then check the list 3 or 4 times to make sure you get everyone. And if you're using xbox.com, it gets even better as everytime you add someone to the message list, the page refreshes. What joy!

Clan support - Why is it that we can't organise people into clans, can't have clan tags or any means of identifying ourselves other then spending 800 mp on getting a gamertag change. I mean I find it absolutely ridiculous that Microsoft haven't the means to be able to allow clans to have some sort of means to identify themselves, or to communicate easily.


If anyone has any thoughts on this, let me know :)

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 FIRST:it doesnt need an internet browser its really doesnt
SECOND:you can send messages to multiple people first you make the message then you go to edit contacts

THIRD: MLG IS CLAN STUFF FOR XBOX MICROSFT DOESNT EVER TALK ABOUT CLAN IT TALKS ABOUT MLG IF YOU WANT A CLAN SUPPORT MAKE A  GAME BATTELS ACCOUNT OR MLG ACCOUNT AND START A GROUP

 Agnus Dei666 wrote:

 FIRST:it doesnt need an internet browser its really doesnt
SECOND:you can send messages to multiple people first you make the message then you go to edit contacts

THIRD: MLG IS CLAN STUFF FOR XBOX MICROSFT DOESNT EVER TALK ABOUT CLAN IT TALKS ABOUT MLG IF YOU WANT A CLAN SUPPORT MAKE A  GAME BATTELS ACCOUNT OR MLG ACCOUNT AND START A GROUP

Yes, yes it does, considering I don't want my laptop running for browsing, and having to keep my xbox on for chatting to friends. And you know, it would be nice if they took the natal project further, and you could show people the pages you're viewing you know?


Yes I know you can do that, I just highlighted the problem when you're trying to send a long message and having to reselect all yuor friends multiple times.

No, MLG is online gaming, I already have a GB account, what you're talking abuot is finding clan matches, I'm refering to showing you guys are a clan.

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Question: Why is Denis Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because there's no cure for cancer

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.
The other stuff you mentioned I could care less about. Sorry, but that is my opinion.

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Wow.

 Agnus Dei666 wrote:

 FIRST:it doesnt need an internet browser its really doesnt
SECOND:you can send messages to multiple people first you make the message then you go to edit contacts

THIRD: MLG IS CLAN STUFF FOR XBOX MICROSFT DOESNT EVER TALK ABOUT CLAN IT TALKS ABOUT MLG IF YOU WANT A CLAN SUPPORT MAKE A  GAME BATTELS ACCOUNT OR MLG ACCOUNT AND START A GROUP

Please validate your first "point". Your second point is also invalid also because the point made by Slugs91 is that, that is cumbersome, and finally your last "point" involves a computer and setting things up through a computer. So Agnus if you have anything more to contribute please keep it to yourself as you are bringing down the itelligence of this thread at a rate you yourself could never grasp. Me on the other hand agree with Slugs91 it is quite annoying seeing as this is the only online service available where you pay for it and not recieve these free applications that are on the likes of the Wii and PS3

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What you dont know will kill you!

Of course we don't NEED a web browser, like anything else, it's for pure convenience more than anything.

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 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.

Its for convienence more than anything. At the end of the day you could argue that you don't need an xbox for gaming "thats what a pc is for" So to be honest I have to ask, why post?

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What you dont know will kill you!

The Xbox is designed specifically for gaming, a pc is designed for other applications unless you buy a gaming pc like alienware. Just because someone is too lazy to go to the computer to do their browsing doesn't mean we should have the app added to the xbox. Before you know it people are gonna be too lazy to look out the window to see how the weather is and will want Weather Bug on live too. I posted because this is a public forum and he was asking for opinions. He got mine, he got yours.

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Wow.

and ill agree with that  we are already to lazy as it is  we watch mtv for a luagh instead of go out to a comdey show we go out to eat instaed of making home cooked meal  we sit down on xbox when we could go out side and play some football with our kids or friends or sibling or even your parents convienec is good but not to much becuase it makes us to dependable on the easy thing i can honestly say i only know onw phone nuber in my phone by heart and its my own nobody elses because there progrmed with a name so i never have to actualy type there number

Well I wouldn't call it laziness. I mean I don't see the problem in say, me wanting to find info on the net about my k/d  on Halo. Now instead of me having to go on and turn on the laptop, wait for it to load, then go onto bungie.net and look through my files, I'd rather just be able to go to dash, check it up, then return to game. This isn't going to be a whole "deteriation of society" type of project. It's not new, it's certainly not innovative. It's being done on other consoles, why can it not be done on the xbox. And to be quite honest, me wanting a browser so that I don't have to turn on my computer, wasting MORE electricity, and doing more damage to the enviornment if we're going to go down that route.... Has ANYTHING to do with people wanting Weather bug cause they're too damn lazy to look out the window.

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 Agnus Dei666 wrote:

and ill agree with that  we are already to lazy as it is  we watch mtv for a luagh instead of go out to a comdey show we go out to eat instaed of making home cooked meal  we sit down on xbox when we could go out side and play some football with our kids or friends or sibling or even your parents convienec is good but not to much becuase it makes us to dependable on the easy thing i can honestly say i only know onw phone nuber in my phone by heart and its my own nobody elses because there progrmed with a name so i never have to actualy type there number

Why the hell are you bringing irrelevant information onto this thread. Nothing you've just said has anything to do with the topic on hand, you're basically just shiting on about your thoughts on the deteriation on society. Either stay on topic and actually contribute to the damn thread (which you have YET to do), or go away and leave this to people with some genuine contribution to make.

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Question: Why is Denis Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because there's no cure for cancer

Frustration aside, watch your language.

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Wow.

Whoah whoah whoah, do you people not want a Web Browser because of hackers and such?  I heard that since it is a 360, which is similar to the PC, people out there will learn the way of creating viruses.

 SHOGUN 47 wrote:

Whoah whoah whoah, do you people not want a Web Browser because of hackers and such?  I heard that since it is a 360, which is similar to the PC, people out there will learn the way of creating viruses.

Well that's the reason I think there hasn't already been a web browser put in place. After all, it would make Microsoft's inpenetrable console, well, penetrable...

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I agree with some stuff I've heard above. I don't want a web browser. What's the point when I have a computer? I'll never give up having a laptop no matter how good of a web browser they make for a console. As for the messaging issue the only problems I've found are typing from a controller seems to be pretty tedious but so what. I have the messenger pad and if I actually feel the need to do a lot of typing on my Xbox I use it. Which is really only ever Windows Live Messenger if something is wrong with my computer. I used it like once for a couple weeks waiting for my computer to get fixed. lol And as for clans I've always hated clans. As long as I can party up with some friends and play games like that I'm happy.

Where in the thread did yuo get the idea that we were hoping or suggesting that we wanted to replace a web browser on a pc with one on a console. Nothing is ever going to replace that, after all, in between rounds on games like gears and shadowrun, I like to just browse the net. Personally I like the chatpad, it's not very tedious, and when yuo're using msn, it doesn't get in the way too much of gameplay. It's quick and simple. And as for you not liking clans, that's your own business. If you've had to send tons of group messages like I have, then you'll understand that what should take less then a minute, ends up taking up to 5 on occasions.

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Question: Why is Denis Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because there's no cure for cancer

I never said you wanted to replace a PC web browser. I was stating why I don't think it's needed. And I like that chat pad too. I just don't really use it often. I don't understand why the headset jack in the bottom of that chat pad doesn't fit a standard Xbox Live headset. It doesn't have the slots for the side pieces of the headset adapter.

 INSERT MY NAME wrote:

I never said you wanted to replace a PC web browser. I was stating why I don't think it's needed. And I like that chat pad too. I just don't really use it often. I don't understand why the headset jack in the bottom of that chat pad doesn't fit a standard Xbox Live headset. It doesn't have the slots for the side pieces of the headset adapter.

Money mate, they make yuo fork out 25 euro for a chatpad, then you realise that they don't actually make specific headsets for the chatpad, and if your chatpad mic breaks, your analled. :P (Unless of course you go to game and buy one of their custom mics, which ironically are the type that fit into the chatpad :))

But ya that's going offtopic ;)

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 Slugs91 wrote:

 INSERT MY NAME wrote:

I never said you wanted to replace a PC web browser. I was stating why I don't think it's needed. And I like that chat pad too. I just don't really use it often. I don't understand why the headset jack in the bottom of that chat pad doesn't fit a standard Xbox Live headset. It doesn't have the slots for the side pieces of the headset adapter.

Money mate, they make yuo fork out 25 euro for a chatpad, then you realise that they don't actually make specific headsets for the chatpad, and if your chatpad mic breaks, your analled. :P (Unless of course you go to game and buy one of their custom mics, which ironically are the type that fit into the chatpad :))

But ya that's going offtopic ;)

That's funny,

The chat pad uses an industry standard jack.  You can buy about 100 different mics that will work on it. 

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I think a web browser is a great idea, I mean you can do everything else on the xbox why not make a browser download optional so the ppls that think it's just being lazy or just stupid don't have to download it and the rest of us could enjoy it. As for the clan stuff, I don't have any feed back since I never use them. I wish that marketplace would show you a preview of a theme before purchase. I do feel that without the preview I'm getting ripped if I don't like it since the points are none refundable. The only other thing I can think of that would make xbox live even better is for them to have sponsered game play offs were you can win ms points, ie COD 4 or WAW or any other game for that matter. I still think xbox is the best system but it could be even better with everyones input.

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If given a choice? In one hand I have an xbox with a browser and in the other I have the xbox we all know and love. Keeping in mind no one will ever force you to use the console broswer, what would you choose? I think anyone with half a brain would gladly take the browser edition because as I said no don't ever have to use it at the end of the day you have more choice, but must people if you give them too much they seem to complain, but can't you agree it would be nice to have the option? I mean I always use a laptop inbetween rounds but why not make it easier and maybe check the weather while you wait, I mean I don't personally use my Wii browser but I find comfort in the knowledge that if i ever want to browse the net on it i could. So it really doesnt make sense why you wouldnt like to see one on the xbox because you never have to use it. Thanks everyone for seeing me out I will leave you with this quote that covers alot of areas "Its better to be looking at it, then looking for it."

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What you dont know will kill you!

^ Thats because what ever MS doesn't do people don't want it, whatever MS wants to do people want it.

Simple as that, if tomorrow they announced a web browser everyone on here would be so excited.

I just thing they can find better things to work on. I have no idea what but something like a web browser seems rather useless in my opinion. But if they're just gonna sit around doing nothing but collecting our money then sure go ahead and throw us a web browser. lol If they wanna give us one I won't complain about it.

 Temhotabot wrote:

The Xbox is designed specifically for gaming, a pc is designed for other applications unless you buy a gaming pc like alienware.

That's funny. There was a period in gaming history, where the American thought "Why should I buy a console, if a PC can do more than just gaming?"
Nintendo said: "Oh, the NES isn't a console. It's an Entertainment System"
Then the American thought: "Oh, an Entertainment System might be fun, why not buy it?"

Both Console AND PC are Computer. They compute. The main difference is that Consoles are defined whereas Computer might differ heavily from one to another. Console games can therefore directly address the Hardware (using it more efficiently), PC games have to address the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer), so the codes from the game have to be translated by the HAL in realtime, so the Hardware can understand the codes (making the whole process less efficient).

Basically there's nothing against the fact, that you can buy a Console to replace you PC so why not implement a browser?
Honestly, people who fear 360-viruses know nothing about IT. For a virus to be efficient, it has to access the Hardware. On PCs they can because of downloads, ActiveX (copyright by Microsoft) or direct executions (made for user's convenience). On a Console they would be useless, as the Console only executes or downloads files through its Network (XBL for 360, PSN for PS3, Nintendo WFC for Wii/NDS) and ActiveX does not exist for Consoles (and shouldn't, as there's no use for it on Consoles).

 old stock Rmm wrote:

 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.

Its for convienence more than anything. At the end of the day you could argue that you don't need an xbox for gaming "thats what a pc is for" So to be honest I have to ask, why post?

Really I couldn't be bothered to type in a web adress on a 360 control it'd take forever, I dont see the convenience of console browsing, sure you can have it on your TV but the browser tend to be fairly bad, wont load flash, hate javascript and all that, just use a PC for god sake.

A clan system would be nice but again there is no real need for it, you can easily use a computer for such a thing and set it up online, sure it may be a little tedious switching between PC and 360 but if you were to run it on PC you can keep more detailed track of your clan online and the likes whereas a 360 equivalent would most probably be just a second friend list and a clan tag.

The multiple recipients messaging, how would you suggest improving on it, just taking it and making it so you can have a list of people and just click the ones you want to OH WAIT! that's already in i'm afraid and while it may be a little slow and clunky there isnt many real ways of upgrading it, sure you could organise everyone into groups but that still doesn't help much, besides the only time anyone ever uses multi recipient messages is for inviting like 5 people to a game or spamming "OMG Post this on 100000 other gamertags for 9999999999999999999999 free ms points", I've had like 1 useful message through that thing to say "I'm changing my name" that's it. If it was better people would abuse it to show how many of your friend list really love there spamming spam.

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Internet browser

Pros:

• N/A

Cons:

• Defeats the purpose of having a PC/Laptop.
• Make the lazy person, alot more lazy

Group messaging

Pros:

• Send it to select amount of people, instead of retyping same message more then once

Cons:

• Spam

Clan support

• Isn't 'Party Chat' good enough?

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As for group messaging, you can send a message to more then one person, but not from the console.

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The browser aside, how about implementing an option to cancel the download of other people's gamercard?
Sometimes, when I want to see someone's gamercard, my 360 doesn't let me get back to the game (by pressing B), because it isn't fully loaded yet.
Or at least, optimize the transfer of the gamercard. I mean my 360 doesn't need over 10 Seconds to load the gamercard with a 3Mbit/s connection... The gamercard can't be over 3'000KB of size, can it?

 bambamfn wrote:

Internet browser

Pros:

• N/A

Cons:

• Defeats the purpose of having a PC/Laptop.
• Make the lazy person, alot more lazy

Group messaging

Pros:

• Send it to select amount of people, instead of retyping same message more then once

Cons:

• Spam

Clan support

• Isn't 'Party Chat' good enough?

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As for group messaging, you can send a message to more then one person, but not from the console.

You could say that having a Laptop defeats the purpose of having a tv, or magazines, or console.

As for party chat, no it isn't good enough. all that allows is for yuo to chat with eight people. It doesn't actually identify you as a clan. Or allow you to invite all your clan members to party chat. and as for when you're playing gamebattles, party chat isn't allowed. At the end of the day, there is no real clan support system. I know handling it all on your pc is much more quick and efficent, but all I'm askign is for some means of identifying yourselves as a clan, so that rather then having to avail of in game clan support (emblems, clan tags etc) There would just be a one way system that all games can take advantage of. and as for the group messaging, It's all about who you've got on your friends list. if you've got a bunch of young kids on your friends list, then you probably already do get spam messages asking you to take part in machinima, get free gamertags, report people's gamertags etc. all this would mean is that they can do it faster. And if you limited group messaging to people who were on your friends listm then that would stop the random messages. Maybe even a system where you have to be invited into a group for group messaging to occur. Something like this:

Slugs91 has invited you to group SRM Clan, (Accept Invite/Decline Invite)

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Question: Why is Denis Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because there's no cure for cancer

im 100% with you. this is ridiculous cuz come on man is Microsoft and they dont have an internet browser and all the stuff we need to play.