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   10-27-2009, 1:56 AM
POLL: Please be honest.....
I want your honest opinion to the following question.....

Do you think spawn camping for kills for this , or any other game, is a cheap tactic?

Don't lie, just be honest.  Even if you do it, that isn't the question.  No one will think differently of you  if you do it, I just want to know if you think it is a cheap, unfair, tactic.

Just post "Yes" or "No", and if you want to comment, please be brief AND MATURE!

ALSO, Please no flame wars as I will then ask a Moderator to remove your post and take appropriate actions towards you.

It is alright if you think it is skill, or it is alright if you think it takes no skill, just vote honestly!

I will start the voting with my vote for "Yes".  I think it is cheap.

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   10-27-2009, 2:55 AM
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   Yes, it is an incredibly cheap and weak tactic, real campers dont spawn camp.

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   10-27-2009, 2:57 AM
Re: POLL: Please be honest.....
Of course it is cheap, However if someone spawn's infront of me yeah I am going to kill them, I would never go out of my way to spawn camp because frankly I am not than sad.
The great thing about this game is you can choose where you spawn, So the risk is down to you. I hate blatant and intensional spawn campers in any game, Almost as much as I hate intensional team killers.
Also where is the poll?
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   10-27-2009, 2:58 AM
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Vote yes for me also.

It is like going up and shooting someone who left their controller, and they are just standing there.  Takes no skill and deserves no credit as skill!

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   10-27-2009, 3:02 AM
Re: POLL: Please be honest.....
 morgoth318 wrote:
Of course it is cheap, However if someone spawn's infront of me yeah I am going to kill them, I would never go out of my way to spawn camp because frankly I am not than sad.
The great thing about this game is you can choose where you spawn, So the risk is down to you. I hate blatant and intensional spawn campers in any game, Almost as much as I hate intensional team killers.
Yeah I am talking about those who are blantently doing it by stuff like setting C4 where people spawn and then blowing them up before they can move......  I have only seen this from a clan on here lately.   When I confronted them, they said it takes skill to spawn camp, but I just don't see how.

But back to the topic, I am assuming your vote is yes then?

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   10-27-2009, 3:02 AM
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Yes it's cheap. But if people keep spawning in front of you i have a hard time saying it's cheap. I mean, what are supposed to do? Run away when people keep popping up in front of you? But to make a conscience effort to spawn camp, is extremely lame.
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   10-27-2009, 3:03 AM
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 x WEIRD 1 x wrote:
Vote yes for me also.

It is like going up and shooting someone who left their controller, and they are just standing there.  Takes no skill and deserves no credit as skill!
Cool, same gamerpic.......lol

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   10-27-2009, 3:05 AM
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 BeeDizz wrote:
Yes it's cheap. But if people keep spawning in front of you i have a hard time saying it's cheap. I mean, what are supposed to do? Run away when people keep popping up in front of you? But to make a conscience effort to spawn camp, is extremely lame.
Yeah, we are not refering to when someone spawns on a team mate.  We are referring to the actual spawn point to where everyone spawns at when the round first starts.......  That spot.

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   10-27-2009, 3:07 AM
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YES!!!!   Very cheap.  Only people who are to worried about their points would stoop to such a low level.  Especially the c4 thing!

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   10-27-2009, 3:09 AM
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Cheap, in the context of your question, is a subjective term, so it can't be used effectively to answer your question unless you give it a concrete definition for the purpose of the poll. If cheap is synonymous with unfair, then, from a completely objective point of view, spawn camping isn't necessarily "cheap" since both teams have equal oppurtunity to prevent it, but it isn't exactly "uncheap" because once your getting spawn camped, it is extremely hard to get out of.

I look at most things objectively, so I could go either way (lolz). However, considering I do it all the time, put me down as no, I do not think spawn camping is "cheap."

EDIT: When I say I do it all the time, I don't mean that try to sit behind a spawn point and knife someone the instant they spawn. What I mean is, I always push towards the enemy, which usually results in me being running around in their spawn, and I'm sure as hell not leaving after all the work it took to get there.
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   10-27-2009, 3:12 AM
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 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
 morgoth318 wrote:
Of course it is cheap, However if someone spawn's infront of me yeah I am going to kill them, I would never go out of my way to spawn camp because frankly I am not than sad.
The great thing about this game is you can choose where you spawn, So the risk is down to you. I hate blatant and intensional spawn campers in any game, Almost as much as I hate intensional team killers.
Yeah I am talking about those who are blantently doing it by stuff like setting C4 where people spawn and then blowing them up before they can move......  I have only seen this from a clan on here lately.   When I confronted them, they said it takes skill to spawn camp, but I just don't see how.

But back to the topic, I am assuming your vote is yes then?
Im guessing it was either Dc5, D12, or AoW. Am I right?
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   10-27-2009, 3:32 AM
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No.
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   10-27-2009, 3:33 AM
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I knew you would indirectly say no, I meen your the same guy who justifies team killing on a sum what regular basis.

For the TS yes my vote is against spawn campers.
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   10-27-2009, 3:38 AM
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 morgoth318 wrote:
I knew you would indirectly say no, I meen your the same guy who justifies team killing on a sum what regular basis.

For the TS yes my vote is against spawn campers.
And you're the guy that thinks teamkilling is stupid, and therefore should be removed from the game. At least when I voice my opinion, I support it with more than just a restatement of my original opinion.
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   10-27-2009, 4:54 AM
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What exactly do you meen, I eleborated thoroughly on my opinion, From what you have posted you seem like your a constant team killer, and when your not team killing your spawn camping and then you have ago at me because I am pointing this out,You are not defending yourself and nor did you on the other thread against my accusations.
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   10-27-2009, 10:25 AM
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 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:
Cheap, in the context of your question, is a subjective term, so it can't be used effectively to answer your question unless you give it a concrete definition for the purpose of the poll. If cheap is synonymous with unfair, then, from a completely objective point of view, spawn camping isn't necessarily "cheap" since both teams have equal oppurtunity to prevent it, but it isn't exactly "uncheap" because once your getting spawn camped, it is extremely hard to get out of.

I look at most things objectively, so I could go either way (lolz). However, considering I do it all the time, put me down as no, I do not think spawn camping is "cheap."

EDIT: When I say I do it all the time, I don't mean that try to sit behind a spawn point and knife someone the instant they spawn. What I mean is, I always push towards the enemy, which usually results in me being running around in their spawn, and I'm sure as hell not leaving after all the work it took to get there.
Well let me clarify something on when this clan, i mentioned before, was doing. 

They were on my team on Gold rush and we were attacking on Ascension on the second set of crates..
They were using the C4 as before mentioned in the defenders spawn when the spawn is behind a house, which is across the street from the other houses with the crates.
Killing the defenders had no outcome on the game, as the defenders don't have spawn tickets, as the attackers do.
To me, it seemed like they were to busy, in my eyes by their actions, trying to pad their stats.

That is kinda what I am talking about.  But anyway, We accept your vote for no though.

So far 6 - 2...

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   10-27-2009, 10:33 AM
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 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:
 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
 morgoth318 wrote:
Of course it is cheap, However if someone spawn's infront of me yeah I am going to kill them, I would never go out of my way to spawn camp because frankly I am not than sad.
The great thing about this game is you can choose where you spawn, So the risk is down to you. I hate blatant and intensional spawn campers in any game, Almost as much as I hate intensional team killers.
Yeah I am talking about those who are blantently doing it by stuff like setting C4 where people spawn and then blowing them up before they can move......  I have only seen this from a clan on here lately.   When I confronted them, they said it takes skill to spawn camp, but I just don't see how.

But back to the topic, I am assuming your vote is yes then?
Im guessing it was either Dc5, D12, or AoW. Am I right?
No it wasn't one of these, but I think one of them were friends with one of the clan members.  

I just realized something from your post.  Now that I think about it, it seems that more and more of the spawn campers are nothing but either spawn campers, glitchers, or hypocrites.     I have seen alot of that lately.   What is that all about?  

When I had my clan, Blood House, back on Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow all the way to Rainbow Six Vegas.  I told everyone I did not allow spawn camping of any sort unless it happened to them first.

When I hosted a room on them series, I would warn everyone that I will boot all spawn campers, even if they were close friends.  In clan matches, I made sure it was in the rules, that if either spawn camped, they would be an automatic loss on the part of the spawn camper.

I just tried to make it fair, but now as the average gamer seemed to be younger and less mature, that seems to have gone out the window.

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   10-27-2009, 10:41 AM
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Also margoth, and Snoopy...  Please settle the flame war.  I don't want the thread removed that is why I said what I did in my original post about notifying a moderator and you both kept to the rule I set before.    Just respect what each other think and leave it at that please.

 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:
 morgoth318 wrote:
I knew you would indirectly say no, I meen your the same guy who justifies team killing on a sum what regular basis.

For the TS yes my vote is against spawn campers.
And you're the guy that thinks teamkilling is stupid, and therefore should be removed from the game. At least when I voice my opinion, I support it with more than just a restatement of my original opinion.
 

I will have to say one thing though, in Battlefield 1943, the next game in the series, the developers seemed to try to put a cap on this by making the carriers a "safe zone".  What I mean, is you get no points for killing people in the spawn (carriers), or killing from the spawn (carriers).  Makes you wonder about the direction they're trying to take.

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   10-27-2009, 2:29 PM
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 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
Yeah, we are not refering to when someone spawns on a team mate.  We are referring to the actual spawn point to where everyone spawns at when the round first starts.......  That spot.
Let me get this straight. The place where defenders spawn getting attacked by attackers is cheap? I think that is actually the point of the game. Unless you are talking about defenders pushing you all the way back to your only spawn....then your team just plain sucks.
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   10-27-2009, 4:34 PM
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If you're doing it over and over then yes but I really haven't seen it that much in BFBC, which is a nice departure from the garbage that occurred regularly in BFMC where a-holes would just hover over the base in a chopper and spawn kill the whole round. I've done it on occassion but it was only when I was backed into a corner attempting to take a base and guys were spawning right in front of me, so what am I supposed to do, just let them run away so thay can kill my teammates? Uh-uh, no way.
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   10-27-2009, 4:35 PM
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 Clean Roach wrote:
 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
Yeah, we are not refering to when someone spawns on a team mate.  We are referring to the actual spawn point to where everyone spawns at when the round first starts.......  That spot.
Let me get this straight. The place where defenders spawn getting attacked by attackers is cheap? I think that is actually the point of the game. Unless you are talking about defenders pushing you all the way back to your only spawn....then your team just plain sucks.
LOL, yeah exactly. I've had that happen to me and I just get on my worthless teammates a$$e$ until they pick it up.
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   10-27-2009, 6:01 PM
Re: POLL: Please be honest.....

If you spawn and there is someone just knifing you right when you pop in....Thats cheap.

If you are gettting base raped....thats you loosing the match.


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   10-27-2009, 8:20 PM
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Was it VoD? KGB? DSO? OtK?
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   10-27-2009, 8:31 PM
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YES and d12 use that tactic, no skill wimps.
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   10-27-2009, 8:35 PM
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give me a jeep a ghillie and i can fix your wee spawn camping problem.
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   10-27-2009, 9:00 PM
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 Clean Roach wrote:
 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
Yeah, we are not refering to when someone spawns on a team mate.  We are referring to the actual spawn point to where everyone spawns at when the round first starts.......  That spot.
Let me get this straight. The place where defenders spawn getting attacked by attackers is cheap? I think that is actually the point of the game. Unless you are talking about defenders pushing you all the way back to your only spawn....then your team just plain sucks.
I am trying to NOT make this a debate, just a simple poll.  Please answer the poll, not flame about the team mates.   I have many opinions on this matter but I am holding my tongue as I don't want this thread removed.   

It kinda sounds like you are trying to start something, but I will take your post as a vote for "No".

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   10-27-2009, 9:01 PM
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 elBoydo wrote:
give me a jeep a ghillie and i can fix your wee spawn camping problem.
Please no comments with out vote...

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   10-27-2009, 9:02 PM
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 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:
Was it VoD? KGB? DSO? OtK?
No it wasn't any of these.  I really don't want to say as they will probably try to say I am trying to start a flame war, which I am not.

If you must know, I will message you...

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   10-27-2009, 9:11 PM
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 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:
 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:
Was it VoD? KGB? DSO? OtK?
No it wasn't any of these.  I really don't want to say as they will probably try to say I am trying to start a flame war, which I am not.

If you must know, I will message you...
Who cares what they think? You have the right to your opinion ;) CRB? SC? TGB? Who else is there? Lol :P
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   10-27-2009, 9:13 PM
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Hopefully I get the count right so far....

9 think it is cheap...
1.  Myself
2.  XphR
3.  morgoth318
4.  x WEIRD 1 x
5.  BeeDizz
6.  LADY W1DOWMAKER
7.  MonkRug
8.  Clean Roach
9.  xBC2xRAMx

and..

3 think it is not cheap...
1.  xCoNx Snoopy  (I'm am assuming his vote is no.  Please correct me if I am wrong)
2.  TrueFatal
3.  Clean Roach  (I'm am assuming his vote is no.  Please correct me if I am wrong)

Sorry to post your gamertags.  It just makes it easier to count the votes.

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