Sheez tripl, you type for a living? I can only use 2 fingers and I'd be typing till chrismas to get that post out. Good read though, and covered everything well.

 

Saweet........I've just included my thumb for pressing the space bar. Even my typing is ranking up!

BU-BLINK.............Achievement Unlocked

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"The host is the only player in the game that plays in real time"  tripl8

 

Hmmm... That would explain why I suck online. While playing friends on a split screen I'm not too bad but when I play online I really suck. The other night I hosted a Gow game for the first time and handed my mate his @ss in one of those green shopping bags from Coles.

I never really thought about it, I truly thought I was cr@p (now does this mean I have a chance to redeem myself... to impress my wife. Message to myself, must remember to host the bloody games when she is around) . The other night everything seemed to be going right for me, the shotgun battles were all going my way, I thought I was just a lucky son of a b*tch. Yes everything seemed to play so smoothly. (Hmmm, does my friend know about this so called "Host advantage"?!? I must somehow keep this to myself and WIN every game we play!!!)

 

MWAH-HA HA!!! 

 

Yey, now I can look forward to eating my words as I try hosting a few games and find out I really was just lucky the other night, heh heh heh.

 

Jimmy T.

 

Release the battle-monkeys!!!

Wicked got a few brains ticking along there then . i know that post was a big one and full of tec *** the main reason i posted that was to show the amount of calculations going on for every packet traveling from your xbox or computer in and out also to show that there is no straight line between your xbox and the host or your xbox and xbox live. That article was taliking about web page traffic but its all data and all packets of info. all data on the net travels the same way its only the way it is called that changes.

if any one has used NEO TRACE it gives a nice graphical version of how data goes through the net and shows all the nodes it will pass through .. The main simple point to this is that data leaves your xbox and travels through about 3 nodes if ya lucky before even getting out of the State you are in. If your using a router and its *** then lag starts right in your own house and will contribute to the overall lag of the game as every one is waiting for data from all other players via the host and via xbox live for voice . Ranked matches also are updating scores and leaderboard info from xbox live also. The big thing here is that the host is also waiting for info, if your lagging the host has to wait for you to move before he can see you move lust like everyone else in the game. You can not be shot before you have moved .

Think about two players in a match that are not the host.  each game they face each other and due to the lag created by these two players alone, Their weapons have different fire rates, different range and some one dies and cries lag like a big baby. Next game its different again .. Everythig effects it .
How many people on your local exchange.
Is your providor just piggybacking on the telstra network branded as some wizzbag biggest and cheepest deal ..
Is your computer on your network ( turn it off your own network is slowing you down )

I am not saying ther is never an advantage im just saying that it is not host advantage it is an advantage for all players that changes through out the game . bit like spin the bottle or spin the shotgun.

Having said that this is just my view from expierience in network games since Quake online played on pc, to today . The net works exactly the same its just faster. Only now instead of game companys paying to host the games we do ..

Now ive got my xbox hooked up to my 19 inch computer LCD running 1024x768 i can see who im killing and thats the biggest advantage ive ever seen in this game.
Ive been playing on a big old tv that only just does 60hz and after an hour i couldent even see whos cog or locust.
Bit of a worrie when friendly fires on.
 
When ya see the host rodie running towards ya dont be scared stand ya ground and pop there head of with the shotgun.

It's dangerous to get the aged brain ticking Glitch, a few of us wheelchair soldiers have head aches now. Maybe post info like that on a monday so I can calla sicky with internal brain explosion

 

Just checking acheivements on GRAW2 and its good to see you don't need to play ranked to get 'em. Also got a group set up (or the C word). Which is cool, if you log on and see the teams in a match you can join in and help them out.......or just die.

hmmmmmm.......come to think of it us oldies would get our ar$es handed out to us from 12 years with Major Troppo leading the way!

 

Good suggestion last night Bayges with an all in Gears game.......friendly fire on and shot a anything that moves Raven down would be perfect for it.....don't know how the scoring would work but who keeps score anyways in friendlies. All those nights of shooting hillman and threefish in the back may pay off as good practise

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 Baygon77 wrote:

So just for arguments sake I'd like to play Devils Advocate and say there is Host Advantage ( Hosage for short )

 

Backed by the following points:

 

1) If there was no advantage I wouldn't be able to get a Kill.

2) See point 1

3) I read the interview on IGN with the Gears Head Maker Dude, and they asked him about Hosage and he replied something like it being inevitable as the Host Suffers No Lag and therefore has advantage over their fellow players.

4) So there..........

5) and seriously as I host all the time I have noticed the Hosage especially in a 50/50 situation I win at least half the time.............

6) and really can tell the difference when I don't host i have to be that little bit closer to get that 1 shot kill with the shotty( and the Shotty Roady Run ).

 

Another thing I'd like to add is that for those people from Perth reading this I found a Games shop in the City today called GameTraders (in the Carillion Arcade) and they had nearl all the old titles for 50% off.

 

I picked up Tomb Raider for $40.

 

                                                

there's a Game Traders in carousel as well!(under the cinema);) yeah the host of any game gets an advantage!& even if your playing on a game without a host, if your closer to the server you get an advantage! because it takes less time for your data to register than somebody who lives further away!

Here' a vid I found when searching host advantage. It is actual in game comparisons from Gears of War when hosting and not hosting games.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vH-LbmvB--4

Host advantage is real in any online game where one player is hosting the game. That is why ranked matches in Call of Duty 2 and 3 and probably other games are held on dedicated servers.

That is why some games use technologies such as Client Side Hit Detection to try and counteract it's effect. Not sure how it works or if it works.

That is why games such as Rainbow Six Vegas have the option to set up the box as a dedicated server. It's not a new thing.

I agree that the host in Gears is affected by the lag of the joining players when waiting for data. The actions of the host are not affected by that lag though as they have zero ping in the game and their box tells ours what is happening. Nothing is seen on the joiners screens until it has already taken place on the host box. If I move it is seen on the host screen first and then sent to my box and everyone elses before we get to see it. The same as when anyone else moves or fires a weapon or does anything.

Every player the host sees is in that exact location according to the game because it's their box thats in control of all outcomes resulting from movement and weapons fire etc.. On our screens we may think we are a half a step or so away from where we actually are.

I have been in laggy games, doing the shotgun waltz and couldn't hit my dance partner even though I'm 4 foot away with my sight square on their chest. I then shoot a foot in front of where they are on my screen and drop them to their knees by shooting the air. Thats because on the host box they are actually in between where I see them and where I've lead my shot. On the host screen my mid air shot hits them in the chest and they drop.

If I where host and I shoot a player in the chest on my screen it hits them straight away. They drop and wonder why because on their screen I just shot in front of them and they where shooting me square in the chest.

 I could stand in front of a host and press my chainsaw button a fraction of a second before they do. In a LAN game I would get the kill. Online I have to wait for the data transfer. The host chainsaw revs instantly and they get the kill. My chainsaw doesn't make a sound.

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Ahhhh well thats 700CD's put on my MP3 player so with tommorow of work (woohoo for labour day) looks like a nice relaxing day of xboxing... To enter the hosts debate i have to say hosting GOW gives no advantage to the host in my opinion doesn't matter if i host or play on hillmans/baygon's connection im still crap...

 

Ahhh and Duck Meister..... I am fluent in over 600 forms of communication

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 Fish1470 wrote:

Ahhhh well thats 700CD's put on my MP3 player so with tommorow of work (woohoo for labour day) looks like a nice relaxing day of xboxing... To enter the hosts debate i have to say hosting GOW gives no advantage to the host in my opinion doesn't matter if i host or play on hillmans/baygon's connection im still crap...

 

Ahhh and Duck Meister..... I am fluent in over 600 forms of communication

Yes.....mastering in Bull$hit and Brazilian waxing........I need my bikini line done, looks like Don Kings trying to stick his head out my Yellow spandex speedos

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 The Blue Duck wrote:

 Fish1470 wrote:

Ahhhh well thats 700CD's put on my MP3 player so with tommorow of work (woohoo for labour day) looks like a nice relaxing day of xboxing... To enter the hosts debate i have to say hosting GOW gives no advantage to the host in my opinion doesn't matter if i host or play on hillmans/baygon's connection im still crap...

 

Ahhh and Duck Meister..... I am fluent in over 600 forms of communication

Yes.....mastering in Bull$hit and Brazilian waxing........I need my bikini line done, looks like Don Kings trying to stick his head out my Yellow spandex speedos

 

Sweet Jesus Duckie that is not what I wanted to read first thing on Monday morning.....

The image is burned in my mind NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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 Homer Simpson wrote:

I gave my love a chicken, it had no bones. Mmmmm Chicken!

According to "them" we're average. Average age of gamers is 30ish (technical term). Wonder who makes up these figures? Probably the same people that say the earth will be flooded in 50 years. Goodbye Sydney...

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21365280%5E15317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html

 

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 Toxik Drool wrote:

According to "them" we're average. Average age of gamers is 30ish (technical term). Wonder who makes up these figures? Probably the same people that say the earth will be flooded in 50 years. Goodbye Sydney...

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21365280%5E15317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html

 

University of Queensland business school academic Frank Alpert, who has just published a paper on the industry, said his research showed the average age of players was now "thirtyish", with up to 43 per cent of players being women.

 

Makes sense.

We are the ones who grew up with the Space Invaders revolution and have the disposable income to feed our gaming habit.

What this means is We are Microsoft's and Sony's biggest demographic.

Stuff the young'uns.

We have the power !

(Insert diabolical laugh here)

 

 LycanBlue wrote:

 Toxik Drool wrote:

According to "them" we're average. Average age of gamers is 30ish (technical term). Wonder who makes up these figures? Probably the same people that say the earth will be flooded in 50 years. Goodbye Sydney...

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21365280%5E15317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html

 

University of Queensland business school academic Frank Alpert, who has just published a paper on the industry, said his research showed the average age of players was now "thirtyish", with up to 43 per cent of players being women.

 

Makes sense.

We are the ones who grew up with the Space Invaders revolution and have the disposable income to feed our gaming habit.

What this means is We are Microsoft's and Sony's biggest demographic.

Stuff the young'uns.

We have the power !

(Insert diabolical laugh here)

 

 

Well how about that. I learned something new today.

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 Homer Simpson wrote:

I gave my love a chicken, it had no bones. Mmmmm Chicken!

 LycanBlue wrote:

Ignore this double post.

I was just trying to be the first to page 20

 

For shame Lycan.

 

So was I.

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Damn it no Page 20!!

Not even a Level 2!!

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 Homer Simpson wrote:

I gave my love a chicken, it had no bones. Mmmmm Chicken!

 Southern kross wrote:

 LycanBlue wrote:

Ignore this double post.

I was just trying to be the first to page 20

 

For shame Lycan.

 

So was I.

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Damn it no Page 20!!

Not even a Level 2!!

Sleep with ????? I resent that! I did not have sexual relations with that duck we just shared a cigar or 2

 

You dont have to sleep with anyone just offer to do the senior members bikini line waxing oh and by the way boys if you want to hit a new page its all about timing which im either about to look like i have perfect timing or am as always premature

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 Fish1470 wrote:

Sleep with ????? I resent that! I did not have sexual relations with that duck we just shared a cigar or 2

You mean like Lewinsky only just shared a cigar with Clinton...........[GD&RLH]

damn i was hopeing to snipe page 20.

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don't need a bandage, there's too much...blood...

 LycanBlue wrote:

[comes out of cover]

 

Woot ! First to Page 20

 

Level me up Scotty !

 

[/returns to grinning ducking and running like ***]

 

In the famous words of Jackall Bros F**K!! F**K!!! S**T!! F**K!!

(Maybe not exactly in that order but pretty close)

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 Homer Simpson wrote:

I gave my love a chicken, it had no bones. Mmmmm Chicken!

What a very interesting 20 pages.

I am a young'un (Only 15) but I don't play like one. I play for one reason, recreation. If any of you guys want to play with a nice, fair kid sometime on CoD3 or some other game, just give us a yell. I enjoy playing with the older community, offers a nice change from the usual garbage on Live.

 LycanBlue wrote:

[comes out of cover]

 

Woot ! First to Page 20

 

Level me up Scotty !

 

[/returns to grinning ducking and running like ***]

I know Baygon started this thread but I'm calling "host advantage" on LycanBlue.

Sh!t get home from work and page 20's half full already (or half empty?)! I'll have to upgrade my upload on forums so at least I'll stand a chance at a number 1 hit on a new page.

 

SK you missed a final sh!t and Fnck on Jackalls rant, he looks at the scenery to much and forgets people are out to kill him

 

 

Got a light MrFish?

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 The Blue Duck wrote:

SK you missed a final sh!t and Fnck on Jackalls rant, he looks at the scenery to much and forgets people are out to kill him

then you have to finish it with a "I don't understand"

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don't need a bandage, there's too much...blood...

 LycanBlue wrote:

 

Who do you have to sleep with to level up here anyways

Threefishes mum.......... but you've probably already done that so the LvlUp should be in the mail

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 The Blue Duck wrote:

 LycanBlue wrote:

 

Who do you have to sleep with to level up here anyways

Threefishes mum.......... but you've probably already done that so the LvlUp should be in the mail

If that was the case everyone would already be on like level 5

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don't need a helmet, got a hard, hard head
don't need a bandage, there's too much...blood...

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! (duck will post a translation guide for you in brail you out of touch old codger)

 

Very good threefish... oh thats made my day

And duck stop buying wookie love... i know your bikini line needs doing so maybe thats why your having no problem pulling chewie... oh and yes i got a light but this cigar aint been rolled on the thighs of virgins in about 15 years

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 Fish1470 wrote:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! (duck will post a translation guide for you in brail you out of touch old codger)

 

Very good threefish... oh thats made my day

And duck stop buying wookie love... i know your bikini line needs doing so maybe thats why your having no problem pulling chewie... oh and yes i got a light but this cigar aint been rolled on the thighs of virgins in about 15 years

ROFLMAO
	Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off   "t baged" When someone has plopped their testicles on another person's face. example - Ducky t baged Fish because he was passed out drunk. Aha.........I see your fun making and have added The Urban Dictionary to my bookmarks. Not really urban though.........more geeky

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Oh this is a great website -

http://www.urbandictionary.com/

Lol...........or whatever

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Hey fish and duck ... back of wookies what did they ever do to you!!!  Oh yeah that is right ... Kerb Stomppin! *** insert loud wookie scream ***

If you keep talking about teabags you might get evicted  ... "Its time to leave ...................Ducky!"

 The Blue Duck wrote:

 Fish1470 wrote:

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! (duck will post a translation guide for you in brail you out of touch old codger)

 

Very good threefish... oh thats made my day

And duck stop buying wookie love... i know your bikini line needs doing so maybe thats why your having no problem pulling chewie... oh and yes i got a light but this cigar aint been rolled on the thighs of virgins in about 15 years

ROFLMAO
	Rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off   "t baged" When someone has plopped their testicles on another person's face. example - Ducky t baged Fish because he was passed out drunk. Aha.........I see your fun making and have added The Urban Dictionary to my bookmarks. Not really urban though.........more geeky

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