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   09-22-2007, 9:10 PM
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Re: Motorbike Physics & Realism
 o HANDWASHER o wrote:

theres no F1's in the game so why compare bikes to a F1 anyway????

we should be comparing bikes to the F50GT oh wait the F50GT was a flop and didnt race lol




Go ahead, ask on any big bike forum how well STREET bikes do against RACE cars.
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   09-22-2007, 10:26 PM
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 o HANDWASHER o wrote:

theres no F1's in the game so why compare bikes to a F1 anyway????

we should be comparing bikes to the F50GT oh wait the F50GT was a flop and didnt race lol

these silly kids that post here without doing any research...be careful what you ask for as it just might make you look silly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEERchIy3EA&mode=related&search=

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   09-22-2007, 10:57 PM
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WHOA settle down fella's i never said a race car cant beat a bike i just said its pointless comparing to a F1 as there not in the game

 

of course any kind of le mans car will smash a bike even street cars so IMO adding bikes to PGR was stupid and you guys should do some research on the F50GT because when i said it was a flop i was speaking the truth it had nothing to do with a bike been able to beat it

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   09-22-2007, 11:34 PM
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did you even watch the video I posted a link to? it compared a yamaha r1 to a porsche carrera...is that a good enough comparison for ya..?
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   09-22-2007, 11:49 PM
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 Czechmate39 wrote:
did you even watch the video I posted a link to? it compared a yamaha r1 to a porsche carrera...is that a good enough comparison for ya..?

 

i watched the vid

did you not read my post???????  or are you blind????if so i will type in braille next time

 

but if you missed it i think i said even street cars can beat bikes

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   09-23-2007, 7:40 AM
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After speaking with people who have played the game, bikes are poor around the corners, and really struggle around tracks suck as Spring Mountain Turns, with many corners is quick succession. They said they have good acceleration but lack in top speed. Overall, from what they know so far, theyd pick a car everytime.

Also, we may have 2 or 3 cars that are fastest or different tracks in A class. Yay.
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   09-23-2007, 10:09 AM
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so mayby bikes should be in a different class then the cars???

 

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   09-26-2007, 1:45 PM
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That topgear video is ***...R1 could kane a 911 Carerra...they have roughly the same top speed but the bike gets there *** of a lot quicker.

A bike V car on track depending on both would prob favour the bike IF the bike can pass the car as the car will be held up mid corner and find it pretty hard to pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG51_L6o6s

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   09-27-2007, 5:03 AM
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 Rossi 86 wrote:

That topgear video is ***...R1 could kane a 911 Carerra...they have roughly the same top speed but the bike gets there *** of a lot quicker.

A bike V car on track depending on both would prob favour the bike IF the bike can pass the car as the car will be held up mid corner and find it pretty hard to pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG51_L6o6s

Did you not listen to the audio in the clip? They did say the acceleration was much better for the bike than the car but lack of grip in corners is were it loses ALL of it's time gained between corners..

The video shows a car vs a bike and the bike loses..yet your saying that a car vs a bike on a  track will favor the bike? how do you come to that conclusion?

As for your explanation of why a bike would win... it doesnt make sense...How is the car being held up mid corner when a car can take a corner faster than a bike?

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   09-28-2007, 3:00 AM
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it's going to be stupid sitting in my playseat and controlling bikes with my wheel and pedals.  i'll just stick to the cars.  imagine if MS came out with a huge bike that leans back and forth mechanically like at dave and busters.   lol, that would be rediculous having one of those in my living room. 
A merciless butcher who lives underground. I'm out to destroy you and I will cut you down.
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   09-28-2007, 3:51 AM
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 MEGADETH9mm wrote:
it's going to be stupid sitting in my playseat and controlling bikes with my wheel and pedals.  i'll just stick to the cars.  imagine if MS came out with a huge bike that leans back and forth mechanically like at dave and busters.   lol, that would be rediculous having one of those in my living room. 
LOL, he has quite a setup, I've seen a pic.Big Smile [:D]
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   09-28-2007, 9:12 PM
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 EvilOak27 wrote:
 MEGADETH9mm wrote:
it's going to be stupid sitting in my playseat and controlling bikes with my wheel and pedals.  i'll just stick to the cars.  imagine if MS came out with a huge bike that leans back and forth mechanically like at dave and busters.   lol, that would be rediculous having one of those in my living room. 
LOL, he has quite a setup, I've seen a pic.Big Smile [:D]

 

thx dude, heres a link to my mulitcolor underglow installation guide.

http://forums.xbox.com/15113377/ShowPost.aspx

 


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   10-01-2007, 6:30 PM
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I just want to throw one name into this little pissing contest on the bike being better then car debate.  NSX  more paticularly the 95 Acura model, it hands dow beat a Motorcyle in a circut style race repeatedly in both acceleration an cornering.  It also has the much contested honor of being called an import mucle car.  
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   10-01-2007, 8:30 PM
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There's no doubt about it. I love both race cars and bikes, and have raced bikes in amateur races in the northeast. However, there's just so much more grip available to cars, so they will have bikes beat at most tracks. As mentioned, corner speed is faster, but also, the cars can brake much later for the corners and turn on the power much sooner than bikes coming out of the corner.

This is just reality. If  you've taken both cars and bikes to the track, you can appreciate both for what they are. It's all about having fun anyway.


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   10-01-2007, 10:02 PM
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 Czechmate39 wrote:
 Rossi 86 wrote:

That topgear video is ***...R1 could kane a 911 Carerra...they have roughly the same top speed but the bike gets there *** of a lot quicker.

A bike V car on track depending on both would prob favour the bike IF the bike can pass the car as the car will be held up mid corner and find it pretty hard to pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG51_L6o6s

Did you not listen to the audio in the clip? They did say the acceleration was much better for the bike than the car but lack of grip in corners is were it loses ALL of it's time gained between corners..

The video shows a car vs a bike and the bike loses..yet your saying that a car vs a bike on a  track will favor the bike? how do you come to that conclusion?

As for your explanation of why a bike would win... it doesnt make sense...How is the car being held up mid corner when a car can take a corner faster than a bike?

 

Sorry! You obviously didn't read what I said and you didn't watch all of the video, the bike wins. I said the bike wins on track if it can pass the car as the car cannot pass the bike in the tight turns.

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   10-02-2007, 2:04 AM
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 Rossi 86 wrote:

That topgear video is ***...R1 could kane a 911 Carerra...they have roughly the same top speed but the bike gets there *** of a lot quicker.

A bike V car on track depending on both would prob favour the bike IF the bike can pass the car as the car will be held up mid corner and find it pretty hard to pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG51_L6o6s



on the test around queensland raceway of an R1 vs the Carerra 911... the only reason the bike one was due to its acceleration to the line out of the last corner...and even then it was only by a tiny margin.  The brakes alone on the porsche are worth more than the bike is. The bike rider went as passenger in the porsche and nearly shat himself as the porsche went past the bikes brake marker still accelerating. The porsche was able to pull up and make the turn in about half the time the bike was.... and you guessed it.. all due to much bigger brakes, more rubber on the road and a bucket load of more downforce.
I ride a super quick bike and its a blast... but you cannot compete round corners with a supercar... or any car with good power, good tyres and downforce.

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   10-02-2007, 4:18 AM
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 Rossi 86 wrote:

Sorry! You obviously didn't read what I said and you didn't watch all of the video, the bike wins. I said the bike wins on track if it can pass the car as the car cannot pass the bike in the tight turns.



Breathe.

Take a step back.

Look at the situation at hand.





We have a STOCK MV Augusta, passing a Toyota GT1 (!) in a CORNER, in the RAIN.


That my friend, is completely and utterly absurd.
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   10-02-2007, 4:37 PM
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Yup, that's impossible.
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   10-04-2007, 3:41 AM
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Actually the top gear vid is crap. Clarksons show has been notorious for stretching the truth on anything from car vs. bike or train or plane or whatever. Soon after that aired, Fastbikes magazine actually did a similar test as a call out to clarkson using not just the r1 and 911, but a few other fast bikes and cars as well. Pro car drivers, who did anything but hold back, gave it all in the cars while the fastbikes boys rode the bikes. Bikes were faster considerably. But this was years ago. Technology for both bikes and their tires have jumped considerably. Here's the last page from a test done a few years ago between fastbikes magazine and EVO (car mag) with a good selection of fast exotics against a stock '03 GSXR 1k and a crescent tuned GSXR 1k against a Radical SR3 Tracksport. All vehicals were pro driven and put to their best. The Stock 1k beat the street exotics and the Tuned crescent (which is a street legal BSB spec bike) beat the radical in lap times: http://star.walagata.com/w/gamingalien9/1708409-potentialmillionairec.jpg
 
5th gear (a show that isn't as biased towards cars as Top Gear) does a few car vs. bike runs now and then too. Most recent was between a improved gallardo and Ducati 1098. Car won in braking but lost everywhere else...with the bike toying with him on the course too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_0pOa4fC4
 
I've seen just about every car vs. bike test in the last decade (got quite a few saved) and 9 times out of 10 it's the bike that wins. Sometimes by 1 second and sometimes by as much as 10. Sportbikes DO generate over 1 g in cornering and while their contact patch isn't car sized, thanks to advanced tire technology it is sticky and does have a bike hold it's line at very high speeds. All about the rider ability though. While cars obviously carry more cornering g's, a bike can take the shortest path thru the curve. And yes sports cars can brake later and in less distance then most bikes though not by too much. Keep in mind the bike is usually approaching the corner 40mph faster then the said street car.
 
Now obviously when you compare F1 or GT cars of course they're faster. How could they NOT be with all that money and tech behind them? Any lesser race cars though you can find varying leagues of bikes posting similar or quicker times. Not to mention lap records for bikes are getting shaved off year by year as their technology continues to evolve. However, how many toyota GT's or F1 cars do we see on public roads or highways? Next to ZILCH. However it is easier to drive a good sports car or exotic thru the curves fast whereas with a bike, it takes skill. Which is rare to find but when a good car driver in a great car meets a great rider on a stock bike, it's not pretty for the car. Especially since your not on a racetrack but a road where your stuck to one lane which is plenty of room for the bike....the car can't afford to slide out or make mistakes though. Bikes slip around traffic pretty easy whereas one car on a twisty backroad will usually make any sports car driver slow down until they can safely pass. That last advantage for the bike alone is worth more then all the cornering g's or brakes in the world. Wink [;)]
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   10-04-2007, 3:49 AM
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 Tiennamen wrote:
 Rossi 86 wrote:

Sorry! You obviously didn't read what I said and you didn't watch all of the video, the bike wins. I said the bike wins on track if it can pass the car as the car cannot pass the bike in the tight turns.



Breathe.

Take a step back.

Look at the situation at hand.





We have a STOCK MV Augusta, passing a Toyota GT1 (!) in a CORNER, in the RAIN.


That my friend, is completely and utterly absurd.
 
Of course it is man...it's a video game. What fun would it be if it was so realistic, one puddle of water is enough to make any car on the game go wildly out of control and crashing? In reality, How many people are gonna race exotic cars like this in sleet or snow? Let along the sportbikes in the same weather? Great as the Toyota GT is, slamming a wall at 100mph will result in injury or maybe death. But in the game, you continue to race for postition. Talk about absurd copying Gran Turismo like that!! Wink [;)]
 
No this game won't win awards for physics or reality, but that was never the way of Project Gotham either. It's not Burnout mind you, but it's not forza either. Kind of a happy medium.
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   10-04-2007, 5:41 AM
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Of course it is man...it's a video game.


Yes. But you have to remember we're in a thread called "motorbike physics and realism" asking about such. I am pointing out that they are rubbish from what we have been shown in videos.


Soon we will have the game for ourselves.
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   10-04-2007, 6:25 AM
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:EnXwINE_gxQJ:www2.cs.uh.edu/~rekharao/F1.pdf+f1+facts&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

 

take a look at #3....i think i would rather have the f1 car over the bike any day...no matter what the track

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   06-12-2009, 3:47 PM
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the bikes on pgr4 are shight, as applies to bikes in real life.

And the f50gt is a brilliant car
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   06-13-2009, 1:57 AM
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Woah, epic necro posting!

Oh and cars FTW.

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   06-24-2009, 12:43 PM
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Since I never rode a sportsbike I find the bikes in the game very comforting to control. But that is only using a controller, not a steering wheel. With the cars I would say exactly the opposite.
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   06-25-2009, 6:54 PM
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please come to my pgr5 forum, im gettin bored.
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