As far as our league, it's very simple, we have a butt-load of sports to entertain ourselves and we've added soccer/football to the list and the self-righteous butt-hounds in England don't like it because they see it as "their sport". I've never heard any venom about MLS from folks in Mexico, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany or Italy, it seems to mainly come from England, so I find their insecurity about their hold on the sport pretty damn funny. And to only reinforce what I'm saying, when was the last time you heard a limey go off on some rant about leagues in Mexico or the Middle East? Exactly.

As for their national team, the U.S has made great strides since 1990 and the English national team continues to find new and inventive ways to embarras themselves, whether it be in failing to advance in any World Cups or for the Euro's this year.

 CrZdCoLoMbIaN wrote:

toronto isnt exactly in the U.S now is it....

problem also is stadiums are WAY WAY WAY TOO BIG !!!

why have a football stadium that seats 60,000 people that the giants play that doesnt have real grass and is too small for soccer..... 10,000 people show up and it looks empty... which is whats happening at NY.... its harder to get into the game and alot of times like yesterday I wish I just stayd at home and watched it on tv :(

when the RBs and other teams start playing in their own stadiums then things will change... its hard to play at home if no one shows up... but if u have a stadium full of people supporting u its alot easier to win ask Korea how they got so far at the WC in 2002

dont ask Korea instead ask the refs who reffereed the games...do u really think Korea is good enough to make it to WC semis wherever theyre playing?? find some tapes of the 2002 WC and ull see it wasnt their supporters that gave them the boost

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 MonkRug wrote:

As far as our league, it's very simple, we have a butt-load of sports to entertain ourselves and we've added soccer/football to the list and the self-righteous butt-hounds in England don't like it because they see it as "their sport". I've never heard any venom about MLS from folks in Mexico, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany or Italy, it seems to mainly come from England, so I find their insecurity about their hold on the sport pretty damn funny. And to only reinforce what I'm saying, when was the last time you heard a limey go off on some rant about leagues in Mexico or the Middle East? Exactly.

As for their national team, the U.S has made great strides since 1990 and the English national team continues to find new and inventive ways to embarras themselves, whether it be in failing to advance in any World Cups or for the Euro's this year.

in answer to the topic question this is probably why...u see ppl like him typing crap like this.. and then seeing his country get pounded by the czech's and not advancing from the group stage in 06 and then having a great copa america haha...not all americans are like this some actually now theyre stuff about football and know U.S is headed in a better direction however not close to world class, but most dont tbh and run their mouths until...

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Italy in 2006 can say the same and before I get stuff from italians... my moms italian and I was born in milian. But the refs helped us beat USA, They helped us with a PK against AUSTRILLA. Brasil refs helped them all tournie... like normal, Holand they were punching and holding the Ivory COast players all game and no yellows or reds when they deserved them...

2002 Brasil... refs helped them against Turkey by giving yellow and red cards to the turks when they didnt deserve it

Refs help big teams , and home based teams get far, so dont cry because they beat Spain and Italy... they deserved it more and that elbow to the korean guys face was disgusting.... and I laughed when the korean broke Coco's face because They ARE ITALY THEY DONT NEED TO CHEAP tackles or plays or refs help to beat small teams

that is why same teams always win WCs

 Capitan Furia01 wrote:

 CrZdCoLoMbIaN wrote:

toronto isnt exactly in the U.S now is it....

problem also is stadiums are WAY WAY WAY TOO BIG !!!

why have a football stadium that seats 60,000 people that the giants play that doesnt have real grass and is too small for soccer..... 10,000 people show up and it looks empty... which is whats happening at NY.... its harder to get into the game and alot of times like yesterday I wish I just stayd at home and watched it on tv :(

when the RBs and other teams start playing in their own stadiums then things will change... its hard to play at home if no one shows up... but if u have a stadium full of people supporting u its alot easier to win ask Korea how they got so far at the WC in 2002

dont ask Korea instead ask the refs who reffereed the games...do u really think Korea is good enough to make it to WC semis wherever theyre playing?? find some tapes of the 2002 WC and ull see it wasnt their supporters that gave them the boost

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 Capitan Furia01 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

As far as our league, it's very simple, we have a butt-load of sports to entertain ourselves and we've added soccer/football to the list and the self-righteous butt-hounds in England don't like it because they see it as "their sport". I've never heard any venom about MLS from folks in Mexico, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany or Italy, it seems to mainly come from England, so I find their insecurity about their hold on the sport pretty damn funny. And to only reinforce what I'm saying, when was the last time you heard a limey go off on some rant about leagues in Mexico or the Middle East? Exactly.

As for their national team, the U.S has made great strides since 1990 and the English national team continues to find new and inventive ways to embarras themselves, whether it be in failing to advance in any World Cups or for the Euro's this year.

in answer to the topic question this is probably why...u see ppl like him typing crap like this.. and then seeing his country get pounded by the czech's and not advancing from the group stage in 06 and then having a great copa america haha...not all americans are like this some actually now theyre stuff about football and know U.S is headed in a better direction however not close to world class, but most dont tbh and run their mouths until...

I have no idea what you're trying to say; if you're disputing my claims about the U.S National team, wikipedia it and look at what they're record in WC's was.

And yeah, they played like crap against the Czech's but rebounded and tied Italy, almost beating them with only 9 guys.

And if I remember correctly, the g-damn Czech's didn't even advance to the 2nd round, either despite having world class talent like Czech, Nedved, Koller, Rosicky.

 MonkRug wrote:

 Capitan Furia01 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

As far as our league, it's very simple, we have a butt-load of sports to entertain ourselves and we've added soccer/football to the list and the self-righteous butt-hounds in England don't like it because they see it as "their sport". I've never heard any venom about MLS from folks in Mexico, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany or Italy, it seems to mainly come from England, so I find their insecurity about their hold on the sport pretty damn funny. And to only reinforce what I'm saying, when was the last time you heard a limey go off on some rant about leagues in Mexico or the Middle East? Exactly.

As for their national team, the U.S has made great strides since 1990 and the English national team continues to find new and inventive ways to embarras themselves, whether it be in failing to advance in any World Cups or for the Euro's this year.

in answer to the topic question this is probably why...u see ppl like him typing crap like this.. and then seeing his country get pounded by the czech's and not advancing from the group stage in 06 and then having a great copa america haha...not all americans are like this some actually now theyre stuff about football and know U.S is headed in a better direction however not close to world class, but most dont tbh and run their mouths until...

I have no idea what you're trying to say; if you're disputing my claims about the U.S National team, wikipedia it and look at what they're record in WC's was.

And yeah, they played like crap against the Czech's but rebounded and tied Italy, almost beating them with only 9 guys.

And if I remember correctly, the g-damn Czech's didn't even advance to the 2nd round, either despite having world class talent like Czech, Nedved, Koller, Rosicky.

 

There is part of the problem.

" rebounded and tied italy"

should be

Pulled the game back to get a draw.

 

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I'm a huge USA National Team fan, but I'm also realistic and down to earth.  We were good enough to play better at the 2006 World Cup, but we didn't.  Neither did France.  USA's problem is consistency mostly.  There is also a lack of general talent and know how, but on our day (al beit, the oppossing teams off day helps) can beat anyone.  Many teams in the world are like this as well and therefore the USA doesn't stand out as being very good.

2002 World Cup was a fluke.  We played just well enough to look good.  Portugal was a darkhorse favorite for the cup, but was ageing and didn't look good at all.  Portugal actually maybe should have won that game or at least tied.  John O'Brien's goal was a "Hand of God" goal.  South Korea out played us in the second game, but we held on to a draw 1-1.  Poland spanked us in the third group game 3-1.  We lucked out and got to play Mexico in the second round.  We usually beat Mexico as of late so that was almost a gimmie on neutral ground.  Germany is the only game that I was really proud of and...WE LOST IT!!!

2006 World Cup was a joke.  I was proud of Italy and we made them work hard, but they kept themselves from winning that game more than we did.  Our lone goal was an Italy own goal.  A fluke own goal at that.  99 times out of 100 the defender would have cleared the ball with ease, but this one time it scuffed off the side of his foot and into the net.  The Ghana game was dissapointing, but we still lost.  The good teams find ways to win.  The poor teams find excuses to why they lost.

The FIFA Ranking system is a joke.  Anyone who puts any importance in to it trully does not know anything about the teams.  The USA has always been a team, in the last 10 years, that deserves to be a 20 something rank.  The USA hasn't beaten Brasil in 10 years.  I don't know if we have ever beaten Fance or Italy or Spain or Holland.  I don't think that we have beaten Germany in 9 years.  We just lost convincingly to England a few days ago.  The point is, it's hard to get respect from the big soccer nations if you don't earn it.

MLS is progressing great since the inception, but the teams are still not good enough to beat the big teams from other leagues.  It's hard for the big fish to care about the minnow.  Give MLS time and it will earn more respect.  Another part of the problem is American mentality and that most non Americans dislike Americans in general.  It's perceived through politics that Americans think that they own the world.  The reactions toward MLS and US Soccer is slightly a defensive response from fear of us taking it over from them.  Others have somthing that they are good at and is kinda their own for the last 100 years so they want to hate the USA while they can still put the money where their mouth is.

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 CrZdCoLoMbIaN wrote:

Italy in 2006 can say the same and before I get stuff from italians... my moms italian and I was born in milian. But the refs helped us beat USA, They helped us with a PK against AUSTRILLA. Brasil refs helped them all tournie... like normal, Holand they were punching and holding the Ivory COast players all game and no yellows or reds when they deserved them...

2002 Brasil... refs helped them against Turkey by giving yellow and red cards to the turks when they didnt deserve it

Refs help big teams , and home based teams get far, so dont cry because they beat Spain and Italy... they deserved it more and that elbow to the korean guys face was disgusting.... and I laughed when the korean broke Coco's face because They ARE ITALY THEY DONT NEED TO CHEAP tackles or plays or refs help to beat small teams

that is why same teams always win WCs

 Capitan Furia01 wrote:

 CrZdCoLoMbIaN wrote:

toronto isnt exactly in the U.S now is it....

problem also is stadiums are WAY WAY WAY TOO BIG !!!

why have a football stadium that seats 60,000 people that the giants play that doesnt have real grass and is too small for soccer..... 10,000 people show up and it looks empty... which is whats happening at NY.... its harder to get into the game and alot of times like yesterday I wish I just stayd at home and watched it on tv :(

when the RBs and other teams start playing in their own stadiums then things will change... its hard to play at home if no one shows up... but if u have a stadium full of people supporting u its alot easier to win ask Korea how they got so far at the WC in 2002

dont ask Korea instead ask the refs who reffereed the games...do u really think Korea is good enough to make it to WC semis wherever theyre playing?? find some tapes of the 2002 WC and ull see it wasnt their supporters that gave them the boost

Yea im gonna be crying cuz they "Beat" Italy and Spain haha i dnt even care how Italy and Spain do im just saying the TRUTH! and dont act stupid telling me they deserved it more wasnt it against spain where Spain scored in E.T only to have the goal disallowed where it was clearly a goal?? just because theyre playing at home dnt mean they deserve it more. remember the fans are at the stadium to yell all they want but theyre not the ones playing the sport... but i do agree with u that better teams get helped by the ref sometimes though

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 MonkRug wrote:

 Capitan Furia01 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

As far as our league, it's very simple, we have a butt-load of sports to entertain ourselves and we've added soccer/football to the list and the self-righteous butt-hounds in England don't like it because they see it as "their sport". I've never heard any venom about MLS from folks in Mexico, Argentina, Spain, France, Germany or Italy, it seems to mainly come from England, so I find their insecurity about their hold on the sport pretty damn funny. And to only reinforce what I'm saying, when was the last time you heard a limey go off on some rant about leagues in Mexico or the Middle East? Exactly.

As for their national team, the U.S has made great strides since 1990 and the English national team continues to find new and inventive ways to embarras themselves, whether it be in failing to advance in any World Cups or for the Euro's this year.

in answer to the topic question this is probably why...u see ppl like him typing crap like this.. and then seeing his country get pounded by the czech's and not advancing from the group stage in 06 and then having a great copa america haha...not all americans are like this some actually now theyre stuff about football and know U.S is headed in a better direction however not close to world class, but most dont tbh and run their mouths until...

I have no idea what you're trying to say; if you're disputing my claims about the U.S National team, wikipedia it and look at what they're record in WC's was.

And yeah, they played like crap against the Czech's but rebounded and tied Italy, almost beating them with only 9 guys.

And if I remember correctly, the g-damn Czech's didn't even advance to the 2nd round, either despite having world class talent like Czech, Nedved, Koller, Rosicky.

ur right they didnt which doesnt help the U.S case much either right?

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I actually have grown quite fond of the MLS, I am Colorado Rapids fan and a Liverpool fan. With that said the MLS has made huge leaps and bounds in player development and quality of play. Its like a vast majority smaller leagues with homegrown talent and it is still in its infancy. But unlike in any other country, in the US all of our top athletes go to 4 other major sports where they make the equivalent or even more money then players in the Premiership, Seria-A, and the Spainsh League.

As far as the US team, I think in only a few more years, we will be able to compete with the upper echelon of other international teams. We have tons of young talent, who just don't have the experience on the international level. Especially with Bradley running the show, they haved looked great the last few friendlies (except England).

Just think if we didn't have NFL/NHL/MLB/NBA and all our best athletes were playing football, with out a doubt we would be putting probably the best team in the world out there. Its no surprise the US Womens Teams are among the best ever!

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 DNAdamUK wrote:

I'm a big fan of the MLS but I don't like the way that the USA has manipulated the way football works - they do it in every other sport that they have, they use drafts and you can't 'buy' players. It sucks because that's never been the way of football and they're the only league in the world that does that. In order for the MLS to gain more popularity, it needs to become more football and less American.

i TOTALLY agree with this guy.  more football, less "americanizing" of the sport.  and take the dog-gone BS salary caps off these teams. in order for the MLS to start gaining respect, it needs to add quality players...and quality players aren't cheap!   

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 I Aim To Please wrote:

The Red Bulls will be getting a great new stadium in the next couple years.

 

the red bulls have a great stadium in giants stadium. i think thats the biggest stadium out of all the mls teams. quit spending money building 20,000 seat BS stadiums and spend the money on players!! that is key in keeping the mls alive!

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 Ezz17 wrote:

I actually have grown quite fond of the MLS, I am Colorado Rapids fan and a Liverpool fan. With that said the MLS has made huge leaps and bounds in player development and quality of play. Its like a vast majority smaller leagues with homegrown talent and it is still in its infancy. But unlike in any other country, in the US all of our top athletes go to 4 other major sports where they make the equivalent or even more money then players in the Premiership, Seria-A, and the Spainsh League.

As far as the US team, I think in only a few more years, we will be able to compete with the upper echelon of other international teams. We have tons of young talent, who just don't have the experience on the international level. Especially with Bradley running the show, they haved looked great the last few friendlies (except England).

Just think if we didn't have NFL/NHL/MLB/NBA and all our best athletes were playing football, with out a doubt we would be putting probably the best team in the world out there. Its no surprise the US Womens Teams are among the best ever!

 

the us national team won't be challenging the likes of argentina/brazil/spain/holland/italy anytime soon.  but if we start sending more of our young talent to european clubs like in the case of jozy altidore and freddy adu, we should see our national team being able to make the climb up the ranks

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 buckie33 wrote:

 

Toronto only sells out because there is a huge European population in Toronto

Nuh-uh! The crowd at BMO is a mixture of all different people, from all different backgrounds. Caribbean, English, Canadian, Italin, etc. I've been there, and it was a great atmosphere. There was even a Mexican-Canadian sitting beside us.
BMO sells-out because Southern Ontario was a huge, un-tapped soccer audience. Also, TFC is a national brand, with fans travelling from all over Canada to see games (myself included).

 JNez wrote:

 I Aim To Please wrote:

The Red Bulls will be getting a great new stadium in the next couple years.

 

the red bulls have a great stadium in giants stadium. i think thats the biggest stadium out of all the mls teams. quit spending money building 20,000 seat BS stadiums and spend the money on players!! that is key in keeping the mls alive!

Oh man, have you experienced an MLS game at one of the US football stadiums? Not exactly fan-friendly. The 20-30,000 seaters are much more intimate, creating an atmosphere that can rival bigger stadiums in other parts of the world.
Now if only they would expand BMO a bit so people can actually get tickets to a game...

The MLS is ridiculed simply because it seems to be more about style than substance, hence the Beckham signing. Paying him the astronomical amount LA are is ridiculous when there are young playings quitting the sport because it's not paying enough. Until the MLS invests in a proper coaching and youth development systems it will continue to be a third rate competition with little or no interest from anywhere outside the US.

As for the young talent coming to Europe, I haven't seen Altidore play so i can't comment but Adu is an example of the sub-standard coaching in the US. His basic technique is lacking, the signing of american players is more of a marketing tactic than a footballing one.

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The MLS is structured the way that it is based on the failures of the NASL back in the 70's and 80's.  The setup then was very reminiscent of the Premier League now, allowing clubs with money to dole out tons of it for high rated signings like Pele, Rodney Marsh, Chinaglia, Beckenbauer etc.  The idea itself is sound, keep the teams relatively even, creating an all-around exciting competitive spirit within the league.  The Premier League currently however, has only 4 teams who might truly have chances to win the league title and if you evaluate the trophy winners since the Barclay's Premier League's inception, you'll find that only one team outside of the "Top 4" has won it being Blackburn, but none other since.

Anyone harping on the United States' system needs to do some research first.  The MLS has already set up an Academy system and many teams such as the Chicago Fire already have developmental teams of varying age groups.  The country is definitely following an English style of tiered league development, which certainly isn't a bad thing.

We are merely trying to learn from the mistakes of the past and not create a league that will capitulate.  Honestly, unless the English didn't love the sport so much, I would be hard pressed to believe that their lower leagues such as League 1 and the Championship would have made it this long.

 LUFC1919 wrote:

The MLS is ridiculed simply because it seems to be more about style than substance, hence the Beckham signing. Paying him the astronomical amount LA are is ridiculous when there are young playings quitting the sport because it's not paying enough. Until the MLS invests in a proper coaching and youth development systems it will continue to be a third rate competition with little or no interest from anywhere outside the US.

 DarkAssassin541 wrote:

Anyone harping on the United States' system needs to do some research first.  The MLS has already set up an Academy system and many teams such as the Chicago Fire already have developmental teams of varying age groups.  The country is definitely following an English style of tiered league development, which certainly isn't a bad thing.

One major difference in this between the US and other places is the division of States.  Chicago has a strong developmental base because the State of Illinois has a strong presence.  I live more than 4 hours from Chicago, but we still see recruiting and training clinics and such plus lots of city/state funded programs.  We even have a "Booster Club" program that funds the non-school programs so that parents can let their kids play for free.  The Boosters supply uniforms and refs and everything... that's where the future of US players are now.

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My opinon. and i have discussed this with a friend and he agrees. first, the CONCACF sucks. You can gurantee the US will be in because they have the most cash and the best equipment and personel in the federation. And youcan also gurantee mexico. But they dont really play anyone decent. yes they did about a month ago, but they also played teams that were going into Euro, and had players that just finished their seasons. They werent playing the best players at the top of their game then. They need to schedule better friendlies.
As far as the MLS goes, the league has been too americanized. they need to do away with the playoffs and the conferences. and just make it a play each other a home and home for points. top of table is league champion. then have the open cup and maybe one other. they also need to allow more foreigners and get rid of the cap. each team should be individually owned and operated.
they need to have youth academies, reserves and all that to develop the talent pool. if they could only have relegation too. thats my 2 cents about that.

eleete: nicaraguense por gracias de dios.

funny how some people make fun of England because they didnt make it to the euro but serioulsy whos the better national team USA or England? ENGLAND At Least they have 1 world cup!!

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Adu is 18 years old you retard.

And he looked pretty good in challenging and taking on the Argentine defenders in their friendly as they watched him blow past them.

The only way to earn respect is by winning. the US is gonna get wrecked by any decent international team, like italy or portugal or germany or spain. They gotta be contenders and get those W's before they get respect.

 GMoney550 wrote:

The only way to earn respect is by winning. the US is gonna get wrecked by any decent international team, like italy or portugal or germany or spain. They gotta be contenders and get those W's before they get respect.

Like Portugal?

You didn't watch the 2002 World Cup did you?

 MonkRug wrote:

Adu is 18 years old you retard.

And he looked pretty good in challenging and taking on the Argentine defenders in their friendly as they watched him blow past them.

He's actually 19 but that's beside the point, his technique is poor. I didn't see the US vs Argy game but by all accounts he played ok, but his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace. He might look ok in the portugese domestic league but any higher level of competition will show him up.

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Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 MonkRug wrote:

Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 

Man utd invited him for a training session, and they sent him back because they were not that impressed with him.

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 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 

Man utd invited him for a training session, and they sent him back because they were not that impressed with him.

THEY DID?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, then he must not be any good. *sarcasm*

And we all know that all of Man U.'s personnel decisions always work out right? bahahahaha