McHumpy wrote:

 Femix Zn wrote:

 areacode wrote:

I agree with the OP. IMO Rare has made some of the most creative games on the 360 to date.

Yes, Rare has made some of the most creative games for the 360. Sadly, creativity today isn't what people like. Just look at Bungie. They made the same game three times, made it a fourth time in a different game genre, and then a fifth spinoff game, and even a 6th they jst recently annoounced. Sadly, I'm guilty for owning all but the fourth and sixth... (Preordered ODST AKA 5th for Sergant Johnson as a playable char and for Reach AKA 6th beta.)

Bungie didn't make Halo Wars. Ensemble made Halo Wars.

In all technicality, Bungie was still involved. They gave Ensemble permission to make Halo Wars and a base storyline to follow. Otherwise Halo Wars wouldn't exitst, well, at least not legally.

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 Nameloi wrote:

 McHumpy wrote:

I'm an adult and I actually like games about collecting animals and gardening, or jumping around and collecting notes or coins.

Yes I like them too, doesn't change the fact that were a minority on the console though.

But a console should have diversity so that all can enjoy. Unfortunately for me, you and McHumpy, Rare made a statement about how they feel they've been battling against the Xbox demographic. While this is technically a good thing, I fear Rare will try to change themselves just to appease the hardcore crowd.

Every 6 weeks Rare employees and Microsoft employees get together for a knife fight to the death. True story.

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 Da Rural Juror wrote:

Every 6 weeks Rare employees and Microsoft employees get together for a knife fight to the death. True story.

Nah. I think that fans exaggerate on the inner-goings of Microsoft. Whenever a studio owned by Microsoft does something that they don't approve of, they make up these crazy backstage politics stories. I think we should leave things like that to the games and leave it out of real life.

You are right Nameloi. The reviews have been quite positive.

Kameo, Nuts and Bolts, and the Viva Pinata games are all fun. I will admit though, PDZ was a disappointment. Rare has always been one of my favorite developers.

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Finally someone post something.

 Femix Zn wrote:

 areacode wrote:

I agree with the OP. IMO Rare has made some of the most creative games on the 360 to date.

Yes, Rare has made some of the most creative games for the 360. Sadly, creativity today isn't what people like. Just look at Bungie. They made the same game three times, made it a fourth time in a different game genre, and then a fifth spinoff game, and even a 6th they jst recently annoounced. Sadly, I'm guilty for owning all but the fourth and sixth... (Preordered ODST AKA 5th for Sergant Johnson as a playable char and for Reach AKA 6th beta.)

Very sad but true.

Gamers do not like the devs making huge changes to sequels.  Which is very arrogant, as Rare make very good innovations.

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 CovertBike wrote:

 Femix Zn wrote:

 areacode wrote:

I agree with the OP. IMO Rare has made some of the most creative games on the 360 to date.

Yes, Rare has made some of the most creative games for the 360. Sadly, creativity today isn't what people like. Just look at Bungie. They made the same game three times, made it a fourth time in a different game genre, and then a fifth spinoff game, and even a 6th they jst recently annoounced. Sadly, I'm guilty for owning all but the fourth and sixth... (Preordered ODST AKA 5th for Sergant Johnson as a playable char and for Reach AKA 6th beta.)

Very sad but true.

Gamers do not like the devs making huge changes to sequels.  Which is very arrogant, as Rare make very good innovations.

*reads through comment and notices Sig*

Glad you agree with me, and actually, Bungie did mix it up a bit in ODST. I'm impressed with all the changes they made, bringing back some of the old, reworking some of the current, and adding in some of the new.

So, I guess that creativity is appreciated nowadays, but to a limit. ODST still has the same basic concept whereas N&B took the old car (Banjo Kazooie) and replaced much of the parts such as the engine, exhaust, and lights, then added gloss to the old paint for some shine (Nuts & Bolts). Although the car looks much better, many people prefered what it was like before.

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 Femix Zn wrote:

So, I guess that creativity is appreciated nowadays, but to a limit. ODST still has the same basic concept whereas N&B took the old car (Banjo Kazooie) and replaced much of the parts such as the engine, exhaust, and lights, then added gloss to the old paint for some shine (Nuts & Bolts). Although the car looks much better, many people prefered what it was like before.

If it ain't broken, why fix it? they could have perfectly added the vehicle gameplay into parts of the platforming, but taking away what made Banjo Kazooie a classic is just a slap to the face.

Specially since platforming is virtually non existent on the 360...they could have taken advantage of that.

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 Nameloi wrote:

 Femix Zn wrote:

So, I guess that creativity is appreciated nowadays, but to a limit. ODST still has the same basic concept whereas N&B took the old car (Banjo Kazooie) and replaced much of the parts such as the engine, exhaust, and lights, then added gloss to the old paint for some shine (Nuts & Bolts). Although the car looks much better, many people prefered what it was like before.

If it ain't broken, why fix it? they could have perfectly added the vehicle gameplay into parts of the platforming, but taking away what made Banjo Kazooie a classic is just a slap to the face.

Specially since platforming is virtually non existent on the 360...they could have taken advantage of that.

You bring up a good point.  When I first heard Banjo & Kazooie was coming to 360, I thought that finally, we would get a decent platformer.

Then again, after playing the full game I can safely say that it has provided me with more enjoyment than any platformer could.

Also, Kudos to Rare for releasing the first two games on XBLA.  A good way to please all their fans

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I remeber playing one rare game: banjo kazooie N&B. and  while i loved the building part I hated that I had to go through the whole story mode to get the cool stuff.

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 toasterslayer wrote:

I remeber playing one rare game: banjo kazooie N&B. and  while i loved the building part I hated that I had to go through the whole story mode to get the cool stuff.

But surely you could say the same about the CoD:WaW ranking system?

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 toasterslayer wrote:

I remeber playing one rare game: banjo kazooie N&B. and  while i loved the building part I hated that I had to go through the whole story mode to get the cool stuff.

The game was challenging. Had to put some thought into building the machines to make them well suited for certain missions. It was very fun. Although sometimes I had to look at other people's videos on the leaderboards to figure things out.

I'm going to start playing this more. I stoped playing it for around 3 months.

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wuts rare up to? i thought they were gona reveal a new game at tgs but no. its about to be a year and they havnt announced anything wtf? i though micro$oft bought them for like 50 billion microsoft points they shud be pumping a new game every year like insomniac does.

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 Da Rural Juror wrote:

wuts rare up to? i thought they were gona reveal a new game at tgs but no. its about to be a year and they havnt announced anything wtf? i though micro$oft bought them for like 50 billion microsoft points they shud be pumping a new game every year like insomniac does.

This is one of the things I dislike about Rare after it was acquired by Microsoft. In the Nintendo era they would be developing and announcing their games pretty constantly, they were in full production mode. But we get into the Microsoft era and they produce a game here and there, and their not up to the same quality.

Still, I think their currently working on things for Natal and the avatar marketplace, but I do feel disappointed how one of my most favorite developers is now only an empty shell of what it once was...

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 Nameloi wrote:

 Da Rural Juror wrote:

wuts rare up to? i thought they were gona reveal a new game at tgs but no. its about to be a year and they havnt announced anything wtf? i though micro$oft bought them for like 50 billion microsoft points they shud be pumping a new game every year like insomniac does.

This is one of the things I dislike about Rare after it was acquired by Microsoft. In the Nintendo era they would be developing and announcing their games pretty constantly, they were in full production mode. But we get into the Microsoft era and they produce a game here and there, and their not up to the same quality.

Still, I think their currently working on things for Natal and the avatar marketplace, but I do feel disappointed how one of my most favorite developers is now only an empty shell of what it once was...

its those damn avatars thats stealing their attention. and natal.

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 Nameloi wrote:

 Da Rural Juror wrote:

wuts rare up to? i thought they were gona reveal a new game at tgs but no. its about to be a year and they havnt announced anything wtf? i though micro$oft bought them for like 50 billion microsoft points they shud be pumping a new game every year like insomniac does.

This is one of the things I dislike about Rare after it was acquired by Microsoft. In the Nintendo era they would be developing and announcing their games pretty constantly, they were in full production mode. But we get into the Microsoft era and they produce a game here and there, and their not up to the same quality.

Still, I think their currently working on things for Natal and the avatar marketplace, but I do feel disappointed how one of my most favorite developers is now only an empty shell of what it once was...

I totally agree. I was still a kid when I was playing all the great titles Rare made for the Nintendo 64. Still some of my favorite games. Now they aren't making as many titles as everyone would like to see coming out. I still have hope though.

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 Nameloi wrote:

 Da Rural Juror wrote:

wuts rare up to? i thought they were gona reveal a new game at tgs but no. its about to be a year and they havnt announced anything wtf? i though micro$oft bought them for like 50 billion microsoft points they shud be pumping a new game every year like insomniac does.

This is one of the things I dislike about Rare after it was acquired by Microsoft. In the Nintendo era they would be developing and announcing their games pretty constantly, they were in full production mode. But we get into the Microsoft era and they produce a game here and there, and their not up to the same quality.

Still, I think their currently working on things for Natal and the avatar marketplace, but I do feel disappointed how one of my most favorite developers is now only an empty shell of what it once was...

I'll admit that it's disappointing that they aren't coming out with games as much as they used to. But if they're working on something with Natal I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.

In my opinion, Rare has not declined in quality. They retain the ability to take an off the wall idea and make it enjoyable, and that's what they've always been about. Think about it! SNES era they made monkeys fight crocodiles, N64 days they put a bird in a bear's backpack, had a chimpanzee race a giant pig, and had a fuzzy squirrel cussing random objects out and blowing crap up...among other things. Gamecube was the last Nintendo console they used and they made a fox carry a staph that he used to fight dinosaurs. Then they get moved to Microsoft. Rough start, though I personally haven't played Grabbed by the Ghoulies (plan on it though), and then they take the gayest idea since homosexuality (colorful pinatas in a garden?!?) and made it FUN. They also proceeded to take their fabled bear and bird and put them in a whole different type of game. Sure it was controversial, but the great music, snappy humor, lovable characters, unique gameplay (wasn't platformer, but was still unique and creative) and a crapload of breaking the 4th wall...just like we have all come to expect from Banjo-Kazooie games. Have they been selling as well? No. But I think that has to do in large part with their crazy ideas being more abstract on the 360...after all, their unique cast of characters fit right in with an Italian plumber who jumps on mushrooms, a pink puffball that eats people and copies their abilities, and an electric mouse that fits in a tiny little ball.

Rare reached it's peak in the N64 era with such awsome titles as BK and DK64. Alot of the talent has left since then, and a lowering in awsomeness is excpected. Kameo was a great game, and Banjo 3 was win. Sadly, sales say diffrently.

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 Breegullbeak wrote:

Rare reached it's peak in the N64 era with such awsome titles as BK and DK64. Alot of the talent has left since then, and a lowering in awsomeness is excpected. Kameo was a great game, and Banjo 3 was win. Sadly, sales say diffrently.

Everyone is too busy with First Person Shooters. Seems like that is all this genoration has become.

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I have no idea why but I wish they would make a new Perfect Dark built for the 360.

 Manny1222 wrote:

 Breegullbeak wrote:

Rare reached it's peak in the N64 era with such awsome titles as BK and DK64. Alot of the talent has left since then, and a lowering in awsomeness is excpected. Kameo was a great game, and Banjo 3 was win. Sadly, sales say diffrently.

Everyone is too busy with First Person Shooters. Seems like that is all this genoration has become.

I think I stated it a couple of times before in this thread, regardless of what Rare might do their games just won't sell as well as other titles. The 360 and its majority of players have a more adult oriented mentality this isn't wrong or bad, its just that Rare games have always aimed in the child within us as well as poke fun, sadly this isn't what the majority of 360 users want.

Me personally, Im tired of FPS, I would like some adventure games like Banjo Kazooie or Mario 64, but sadly all thats gone in this generation (except maybe on the Wii).

Still, I seriously don't know what Rare does these days, having such a renown studio working on these Avatars is a bit disappointing.

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 Nameloi wrote:

I think I stated it a couple of times before in this thread, regardless of what Rare might do their games just won't sell as well as other titles. The 360 and its majority of players have a more adult oriented mentality this isn't wrong or bad, its just that Rare games have always aimed in the child within us as well as poke fun, sadly this isn't what the majority of 360 users want.

Me personally, Im tired of FPS, I would like some adventure games like Banjo Kazooie or Mario 64, but sadly all thats gone in this generation (except maybe on the Wii).

Still, I seriously don't know what Rare does these days, having such a renown studio working on these Avatars is a bit disappointing.

I believe you have stated that before. You are everywhere. heh

I have grown tired of FPS as well. They are fun to play with friends though but I would like other games as well where you can play with friends other than FPS. My child within is sad.

I would also like to say that your Avatar looks really creepy. Nicely done.

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That reminds me... Like two months ago (or so) I made a very special mech on N&B. This mech was like no other, a mech where you could go into first person mode, and you'd see yourself holding two guns... When you moved around, your arms would act in a similar way. When you shot with the guns, you could also aim. It was the First Person Shooter Mech.

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I heard RARE are responsible for the Xbox avatar's and the constant line of clothing/accessories that come out.

They seem like a great asset to Microsoft

 Manny1222 wrote:

 Nameloi wrote:

I think I stated it a couple of times before in this thread, regardless of what Rare might do their games just won't sell as well as other titles. The 360 and its majority of players have a more adult oriented mentality this isn't wrong or bad, its just that Rare games have always aimed in the child within us as well as poke fun, sadly this isn't what the majority of 360 users want.

Me personally, Im tired of FPS, I would like some adventure games like Banjo Kazooie or Mario 64, but sadly all thats gone in this generation (except maybe on the Wii).

Still, I seriously don't know what Rare does these days, having such a renown studio working on these Avatars is a bit disappointing.

I believe you have stated that before. You are everywhere. heh

I have grown tired of FPS as well. They are fun to play with friends though but I would like other games as well where you can play with friends other than FPS. My child within is sad.

I would also like to say that your Avatar looks really creepy. Nicely done.

i am not alone! fps are getting overrated  and soon it will be zombies. i cant wait to hear what rare has in store, its been a while since nuts and bolts and we should be hearing stuff from them pretty soon

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I actually like Rare a lot. I remember playing Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 on the N64 when I was a kid. Was one of the main reasons I got Viva Pinata, Kameo, and Nuts and Bolts. Got to say I was a little disappointed in Nuts and Bolts, just didn't find it as fun as the other Banjo Kazooie games.

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You answered your own question here.  MS isn't going to go and pay hundreds of millions of dollars for another company like bioware because they learned their lesson with Rare. They went and paid all that money for Rare and then all the most talented people left the company behind to go elsewhere. That's not to say Rare is making bad games, but I doubt MS had Viva Pinata in mind when they paid that record setting amount for Rare years ago.  Before people go and point their fingers at Rare for making "kiddie" games keep in mind that they are owned by MS and Robbie Bach was quoted several times in the past stating how the sole reason Rare was purchased was to make family-friendly software.  Rare might have some awesome ideas for more mature titles, but ultimately it's MS calling the shots as far as what gets green-lit for production.