DeviateRogue wrote:

 xDeadshot wrote:

 DeviateRogue wrote:

 BeakJones wrote:

 xDeadshot wrote:

why would you have a memory unit filled with profiles in the first place i just have my 360 and hdd and one profile thats all you need

maybe your doing something else over there :/

LOL, if I had to guess I'd say more than one person plays the system....?  wow, just wow.

This is nothing more than a petty cash grab by MS, if you don't see that you're a friggin sheep.

Yeah I agree with you Beak... I used the card to play with my friends whenever I went to their houses... and Play with my family (we have 3 different boxes) So simply moving the hd wouldn't do.. it was much easier to plug in a memory card.. and since I play Rockband alot I had to have a memory card big enough to support my collection of songs and Microsoft didn't offer that, but guess what Delta did..

@xDeadshot
This move will not stop pirates at all, they can still do what they do with the "Authorized" memory units, but since you are ignorant of that fact you spoke out too soon and instantly sided with M$.Even if this update was the end all be all of pirating on the 360. It doesn't change the fact that Microsoft screwed over many honest trust-worthy xbox players that were using the memory cards for legitimate reasons.

IMO Microsoft did this to get more money out of the community... That's nothing new

 ignorant? watch what you say to me kid

i dont care what the reason and why would you go to someone elses house to play games

i play at home on my xbox and thats it

all im saying is i support microsoft in anything they want to do its there show so let them play it
we are nothing more then guests in it

Theres this wonderful thing called human to human contact. Or have you never heard of that? Stop being such a fool.

says the dude with 20 thousand gamerscore you need a life only human contact i have is with my girl and when i chill with family and friends we watch football put food on a grill (BBQ's) like normal people

you like to get on here and call people names and see only one side of something

well i see both sides and there are way too many boosters out there and modders in COD HALO etc..

so external memory should be disposed of end of story

and more security should be implamented

I would have to say the big issue here is MS trying to make things proprietary. That away when you want to use a device, you have to buy it from them. OK I understand the 360 hard drive and maybe even the MU. but as stated earlier "whats next". I wont be abled to use anything thats usb that was not purchased from MS, how about my Phillips HDMI cable, WD HDD, etc etc. Proprietary is the key word here. That is the crap that sony pulls.

Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...Stupid...

BTW, people can still mod with or without "Authroized" units... so don't expect to see any modding #'s go down... do you even understand modern day technology? I would tell you how modding actually works but then again I don't want to give anybody any ideas..

@Deadsho This move will more then likely affect no one except people who just wanted to save some $$$ instead of paying $30 for a insufficent amount of space


let's see 2gb thumdrive= $10
514mb MU= $30

Uhh am I the only one that doesn't like being lead on by Microsoft or what?

Wow i wish i would have seen this sooner seeing as now my MU does not work anymore... All my saved data on it gone and such i just can't believe it... why would MS do something no offence but so stupid. I know I know it's in the agreement but honestly the owners of these MU wont go out to buy yours if that's what your hoping... Your not hurting anybody but your loyal consumers with this move seeing as the real reason most people get the bigger memory card is because of the DOWNLOADED CONTENT(like songs from rockband/guitar hero, map packs halo and COD or just arcade games even)they want to bring to their friends and play and such. well that's why i got mine. I can see how you want to control the market but memory cards...SERIOUSLY... your just going to (man it's hard to write an angry post without swearing) anger a lot more people then anything else, and most likly lose your consumers to the PS3 that's not looking bad at all right now i got to say. At least with them i'd probably not lose my save files lol. I just have to repeat this part... memory cards...SERIOUSLY? just just wow i'm impressed.

 AyaneAdrea wrote:

Wow i wish i would have seen this sooner seeing as now my MU does not work anymore... All my saved data on it gone and such i just can't believe it... why would MS do something no offence but so stupid. I know I know it's in the agreement but honestly the owners of these MU wont go out to buy yours if that's what your hoping... Your not hurting anybody but your loyal consumers with this move seeing as the real reason most people get the bigger memory card is because of the DOWNLOADED CONTENT(like songs from rockband/guitar hero, map packs halo and COD or just arcade games even)they want to bring to their friends and play and such. well that's why i got mine. I can see how you want to control the market but memory cards...SERIOUSLY... your just going to (man it's hard to write an angry post without swearing) anger a lot more people then anything else, and most likly lose your consumers to the PS3 that's not looking bad at all right now i got to say. At least with them i'd probably not lose my save files lol. I just have to repeat this part... memory cards...SERIOUSLY? just just wow i'm impressed.

Good Post sums up my thoughts.. I feel like getting a ps3 big time

 AyaneAdrea wrote:

Wow i wish i would have seen this sooner seeing as now my MU does not work anymore... All my saved data on it gone and such i just can't believe it... why would MS do something no offence but so stupid. I know I know it's in the agreement but honestly the owners of these MU wont go out to buy yours if that's what your hoping... Your not hurting anybody but your loyal consumers with this move seeing as the real reason most people get the bigger memory card is because of the DOWNLOADED CONTENT(like songs from rockband/guitar hero, map packs halo and COD or just arcade games even)they want to bring to their friends and play and such. well that's why i got mine. I can see how you want to control the market but memory cards...SERIOUSLY... your just going to (man it's hard to write an angry post without swearing) anger a lot more people then anything else, and most likly lose your consumers to the PS3 that's not looking bad at all right now i got to say. At least with them i'd probably not lose my save files lol. I just have to repeat this part... memory cards...SERIOUSLY? just just wow i'm impressed.

I'm with him.  I'm absolutely done with Microsoft.  Done.

 Zen Like Calm wrote:

You are breaching these terms by using that UNAUTHORIZED device, so you have no re-course with the BBB.

 Count Macphisto wrote:

What's next? Are they going to disable the ability for me to play my xbox on my Sony Bravia TV?

Count Macphisto

What type of dumb statement is that?

As far as the point of it being in the TOS for xbox live, just because something is in a contract does not mean it's binding.  This is especially true for contracts where both parties are not on equal footing such as Microsoft and a individual where the individual is not capable of being able to negotiate the contract. If you read further on in the TOS you will probably see a little blurb about if any portion of this contract is found non-binding, that it only shall effect that portion of the contract and the rest shall remain valid.   INAL, YMMV, etc

As far as disabling the TV, it's perfectly valid comment, as the TV is not an authrized and licensed devices to access the service.  So your basicly SOL to begin with as there are not officially licensed display devices to access the service..

BTW MajorNelson is always hawking on his podcast Turtle Beach headsets that are not authorized or licensed accessories for the Xbox 360, but he keeps talking about them on the show.  These guys really need to have a consistent message on accessories and not make policy up to based on their mood.

NEWS  FLASH
Microsoft moves to be more like Apple.

In a recent move today Microsoft has decided to f*ck over the manufacturers of legitimate hardware that helps boost the popularity of thier and simultaneously *** over all the people who bought thier devices.

Let me tell you my tale of being freaking pizzed OFF.
I would have bought an MS card. BUT NO ONE HAS THEM!!!

Not best buy, not game stop, NO ONE.

So I bought a Datel 4gb card. Put all my saves on it to transport to a new elite I bought, and moved a few to the new massive hard drive , but frankly just left the rest on the card.
I mean why not, right??

WELLLL, fast foward to the update.

I think you know the rest except for my 30 min yelling at a support tech on the phone.

Seems you CAN remove the update.......but then you can't ever use xbox live again.

Small technicality really.


Addendum:
Ok so I hear some "legitimate" gripes about people boosting gamesscores via modded game saves.

SO WHAT? OMFG, his GAMERSCORE IS HAXXORED!!!
SOOO WHAT!!!  

 JWSpeed wrote:

Making copies of products that are copywritten is illegal, it's just to bad that some people weren't smart enough to know the difference and will suffer. I back MS in this!

What does this have to do with a Memory Unit?

hey guys,

i just wanna know if anyone here has had any problems with the xbox 360 headsets??

especially the WIRELESS one........ i just bought this today and half the time it wont work!

can anyone offer some tips or help =) thanx

oh ya i forgot to add one last thing... Will MS be fixing this problem anytime soon?

 NoSkill McGrill wrote:

Statements were made that unauthorized use greatly outnumbers those just trying to save money.  I wonder if Microsoft already knows exactly how many people they are shutting down and forcing to buy authorized products.

And they can figure that out how??

I assume your talking bout the last MajorNelson podcast where Stepto was talking about banning memory units.

They may be able to come up with a rough number of people gamerscore hacking and modding, but unless the Xbox is transmitting back data to Microsoft every time a device is inserted into the Xbox they have no way of knowing what the ratio of people using MUs for hacking vs just using them normally.

 Coffeenator wrote:

 NoSkill McGrill wrote:

Statements were made that unauthorized use greatly outnumbers those just trying to save money.  I wonder if Microsoft already knows exactly how many people they are shutting down and forcing to buy authorized products.

And they can figure that out how??

I assume your talking bout the last MajorNelson podcast where Stepto was talking about banning memory units.

They may be able to come up with a rough number of people gamerscore hacking and modding, but unless the Xbox is transmitting back data to Microsoft every time a device is inserted into the Xbox they have no way of knowing what the ratio of people using MUs for hacking vs just using them normally.

Of Course they have no idea.
They are being guided by the information posted by the hack scene for 360s.
Of which there is lots of stuff.

But the truth of the matter, hacking the 360 is a labor of love and devotion. Its a constant battle that most of us have absolutely no time to for. Its just not a time / cost effective proposition.

So of course those who do it are extremely vocal about it.

And of course the people who bought a mem card to just be a mem card.. well ask yourself, would you be blogging daily about how when you plugged your mem card in.....it worked?

No of course not.

So they are not looking at any real data, nor are they making valid assumptions.
They are cowtowing to paranoia and ridiculousness.

 xDeadshot wrote:

why would you have a memory unit filled with profiles in the first place i just have my 360 and hdd and one profile thats all you need

maybe your doing something else over there :/

i support microsoft in this and if they decided to discontinue MU's i support that too

way too many modders out there as it is and having external memory

makes it even easyier for them

Well there are multiple reasons for that ... my Xbox has 4 profiles on it, one for each member of the family that plays it, nothing hiky going on there, you have to think beyond your bedroom in the basement.

MUs are handy for backing up game saves so you can recover they in case you do something like accidentally delete your savegames when trying to clean up space on the small hard drives.

MUs are also useful if you have a friend that lives where there is only dial-up access or has crappy broadband access so you don't have to re-download purchased content to play on another Xbox.

For cheating and modding, all you need is an Official Xbox hard drive and the Official MS Xbox data transfer cable and some software on your PC.

Getting rid of memory units is not the solution.

 xDeadshot wrote:

 ignorant? watch what you say to me kid

i dont care what the reason and why would you go to someone elses house to play games

i play at home on my xbox and thats it

all im saying is i support microsoft in anything they want to do its there show so let them play it
we are nothing more then guests in it

Hmmm you are either trolling at this point or clueless

BTW I'm probably old enough to be your grandpa.

Yeah, M$ disabling third-party memory cards is garbage. I can't believe that they would do something like that. They are alienating and infuriating thousands of gamers who don't have the zillions of dollars for M$ 360 storage devices. Let me predict PS3 sales UP first quarter next year?

So, third-party modded controllers are okay, but when a competitor offers a better-quality, lower-price unit than M$ offers, they have to impose their legal mumbo-jumbo in order to push their 360 Monopoly. I know it sounds stupid (or right-on), but that's what they're doing: pushing competitors out of the specific market.

And then they just put some spin on it, like "We're cutting down on modders" or "We're solving world hunger". Yeah, whatever.

I don't have a third-party 360 memory unit, and in fact, I have 2 HDs and 1 M$ MU, but this still infuriates me, because if I would've had a 16GB MU, I could put my Rock Band data on it, and go to my friend's house, and guess what? WE'D BOTH BE ABLE TO USE OUR DLC AT THE SAME TIME!!!! That is one of the biggest and worst problems with the M$ MUs. They need to give us a cable that lets us hook our HDs up to the USB port, so we can use more than one HD at a time.

M$ at least needs to offer some kind of rebate/discount/huge price cut so that this monopoly move doesn't push away ALL of the third-party MU owners.

I hope Datel figures out a work-around to this crap. I hate when M$ does stuff like this.

Major Nelson's blog is not a widely-read (or widely-known, OR widely-cared-about) thing, so when he puts up a tiny blurb about this, that's hardly a fair warning to those who are more worried about saving money than reading some 50-odd-year-old guy's blog about Xbox. Put a message in the dashboard, then watch the forums and Customer Service lines blow up with complaints. This is a jerk move by M$, so they should expect the collective reaction from (most of) the community.

And regarding the Authorized vs. Unauthorized deal, the reason why we can't use external HDs is because M$ has some special encryption or something on their HDs and MUs. So, if this type of memory storage is specific to M$'s storage products, why don't they just keep this tech in-house, rather than allow third-party the tech to develop their own versions of MUs?

The crap in the TOU does not apply to this. We don't use unauthorized storage units to access "the service", we use them for a storage device to contain our data, plus they are affordable and are all-around a way better product than the one M$ offers. Besides, the essential piece to access Xbox Live is THE CONSOLE, NOT THE STORAGE UNIT. You can't hook your HD or MU to XBL, you hook the console to XBL. That's what that means.

Yeah, M$, good move. Allow third-party companies to copy your hardware, then lock them out after four years (presumably) of production. Yet another M$ red-flag for anyone on-the-fence for next-gen.

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Halo: Reach---2010 RPG of the Year... I can only hope...
Beware: M$ may spend more $$$ on lawyers than on their products.

I love how people are still defending M$ at this point in the other thread about this I had some good laughes... even those I was friggin ticked when I found out my MU wouldn't work this morning

Also whoever asked (sorry I forgot your name) when this was going to get fixed.. More then likely it'll stay this way unless a law-suit takes place *crosses-fingers* and Datel or whichever third-party devleoper takes down the mighty M$ in court

NEWS FLASH DATEL says they have a work around coming very soon and if you have a datel product you can exchange it for FREE. hey i love ms. i have all 3 consoles and the 360 is at the top. the only reason i have a ps3 is for bluray and time crisis. (MS come out with a gun. you got a nice fish n rod now come on with the gun) besides that it's 360 all the way. i just don't understand ms. they have always been a company that sell software but for some reason with the 360 they want to control all the hardware too. thank god they don't do it with windows. on the ps3 i can change the hard drive to any size i want ( i just don't have the need ).

Well if they are doing it to kill the profile hacks then they obviosly know who has a hacked profile or gamer score. Ban them! that s what they would do on battle net. Set an example by banning a bunch of those bastages and leave my MU alone you greedy money hungry MS ksughdf;kjdf.

Agreed!! I've always liked Microsoft and their products (software). So much, that i'm even thinking about getting Windows 7!! But after seeing that this update no longer allows me to use my Datel Max Memory, i wonder what will they come out with next!! I mean, i'm with you guys now!! I just feel like saying bye to Microsoft and going with Sony for the PS3, which like someone previously said, doesn't look bad at all!!

actually in a lot of ways the PS 3 is better. Hat e to make the swich to mac but MS is getting bad. Bill handed over the reins and they are losing money and now kickin us it the junk. I will get a PS 3 and get a Wii. hell with it. This thing is gonna red ring anyways, i got a falcon I think.

 Zen Like Calm wrote:

 Count Macphisto wrote:

I don't understand how MS can disable the functionality of a third party MU that is sold by reputable stores like Game Stop and Best Buy.

Just because it's sold at Best Buy and GameStop doesn't make it an "authorized" device.  They sell a bunch of unauthorized devices for all console.  Your Datel MAX memory is not authorized by Microsoft, so it's not allowed.   Where they are sold is irrelevent.

 Count Macphisto wrote:

There has got to be a way to stop MS from moving forward on this change. I assume that I will have to make another call to the Better Business Bureau.

Yeah sure, let's all waste the BBB's time with frivolous claims.  Do you remember when you made your Xbox Live account, that bit you didn't read, but clicked on "agree" anyway?  Here is what you agreed to:

 Xbox Live Terms of Use wrote:

13. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT

The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer, or by logging into your account via Xbox.com. You agree that you are using authorized software and hardware to access the Service, and that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., authorized repairs, upgrades and downloads). Any attempt to disassemble, decompile, create derivative works of, reverse engineer, modify, further sublicense, distribute or use for other purposes either the hardware or software associated with an original Xbox or Xbox 360 console or the Service, is strictly prohibited and may result in cancellation of your account and/or your ability to access the Service, and the pursuit of other legal remedies by Microsoft. Microsoft may take any legal action it deems appropriate against users who violate Microsoft's systems or network security or this contract or any additional terms as described in Section 2 above, and such users may also incur criminal and/or civil liability.

You are breaching these terms by using that UNAUTHORIZED device, so you have no re-course with the BBB.

 Count Macphisto wrote:

What's next? Are they going to disable the ability for me to play my xbox on my Sony Bravia TV?

Count Macphisto

What type of dumb statement is that?

Wow, are you kidding me? This is why I don't come to these forums anymore. People like you shove the TERM OF USE in other peoples faces. That line you pinpointed out is debatable about it being an authorized device but enough about that.

I am for the guy who made the original post. Microsoft should not ban third party memory cards. It's unethical! Game consoles have had different manufactured memory cards since N64. Up until 360, I never bought any game console manufactured memory cards because the third party ones were cheaper and better. Why drop support now?! So Microsoft can rip us off on their over priced peripherals and memory units?
Start a petition. I will gladly sign it.

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Programmer, Musician, Astronomer, Martial Artist
www.sedativechunk.com

 tbonenga wrote:

NEWS FLASH DATEL says they have a work around coming very soon and if you have a datel product you can exchange it for FREE.

Do you have a link or anything that shows how we would go about working with Datel to exchange our Memory Max cards for a working one?  I didn't see anything on their website, but might have overlooked it.  Thanks!

I am FURIOUS about this. I'm not one of those people that spells MS with a dollar sign, but this has me really ticked off. I love my Datel 4GB memory card.  It's bad enough that even though I pay a monthly fee for a Gold membership, my dashboard is littered with advertisements that aren't even for gaming products (but hey, who doesn't want a McDonalds Double Cheeseburger dashboard theme, right?), but now I can't use the memory card that I bought for perfectly legit reasons.The reason people are paying good money for them is because they fill a hole microsoft refuses to. Microsoft's prices are RIDICULOUS for memory. $30 for 512MB? These days I can get a thumb drive with four times that much space. With my Datel card, I can save my profile, Avatar items, theme, and all of my game saves on my card, so that when I go to a friend's house, all I have to do is plug it in and I've got virtualy everything I need to play my game.
 
You think this is going to stop pirates? Don't make me laugh! They'll have a work around for this within a week. The only people who are going to suffer are the legitimate customers, many of whom, in this case, are willing to pay for larger 1st part memory cards, but are relying on third party equipment because MS won't make their own. You think I wouldn't prefer a 1st part card? Of course I would, but if Microsoft won't make one, I should be able to go with someone else. In fact, even if Microsoft DOES make one, I should be able to go with someone else. This whole "unauthorized" devices thing is ridiculous. I paid three hundred bucks for my console. It's mine. Wy do I need someone else's authorization to use a peripheral? I have defended Microsoft for YEARS, but this whole thing makes me sick.

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You did NOT "get hacked." Either you fell for a phishing scam, or your password was too obvious. Stop using your dog's name.

I tend to use my MU just for back up

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"No Surrender"

Deadshot. you are byfar one of THE stupidest people I have ever  had the misfortune of reading.


Its called playing with friends. if you had friends, you would understand this. Now now, hush hush, i know you might be upset. but its true! REALLY IT IS! people nowadays, have friends. And Friends like to play video games with friends. And i for one, hate removing my hard drive to bring it elsewhere to play, but sometimes i have to. it would be much easier with a memory unit, if only I could fit mys hit on microsoft's tiny piece of crap. Go have some more contact with your "girl". And stay out of discussions in which you are over your head.

 Khyron wrote:

 tbonenga wrote:

NEWS FLASH DATEL says they have a work around coming very soon and if you have a datel product you can exchange it for FREE.

Do you have a link or anything that shows how we would go about working with Datel to exchange our Memory Max cards for a working one?  I didn't see anything on their website, but might have overlooked it.  Thanks!

Not sure how this will play out, but there is some hope here:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/datel-reportedly-looking-to-remedy-microsofts-lock-out-of-una/#comments

I understand the reason behind MS's disabling "Unauthorized" memory units, controllers and hard drives...it money. The manufacturers of the "Unauthorized" units didn't pay a fee to MS for each one. Ok I get that and understand that, but what I don't understand is...before MS just shut down everyone using these items, why didn't they at least offer us a down load for "X" amount of MS points in order to be able to continue using them???? If they couldn't get the fee from the manufacturers, why not at least allow the user to pay the fee rather the **** off thousands of MS users. I'm sure most would have paid a small fee of 500 MS points vs. losing data...seems like a no brainer to me.

 ZR1Rick wrote:

I understand the reason behind MS's disabling "Unauthorized" memory units, controllers and hard drives...it money. The manufacturers of the "Unauthorized" units didn't pay a fee to MS for each one. Ok I get that and understand that, but what I don't understand is...before MS just shut down everyone using these items, why didn't they at least offer us a down load for "X" amount of MS points in order to be able to continue using them???? If they couldn't get the fee from the manufacturers, why not at least allow the user to pay the fee rather the **** off thousands of MS users. I'm sure most would have paid a small fee of 500 MS points vs. losing data...seems like a no brainer to me.

Sure You are right, they didnt pay a fee to microsoft. Sony did not par them a fee for me to use that television to display my games. I bet linksys did not pay a fee for the ability to connect to live. So on and so forth. The issue here is that we have been able to use third party cards on all three play stations as well as the first X Box. Now without warning they just cut it. I dont even use the card like a lot of these people do and I am pissed. The store I bought it from took it back from me because I had not opened it yet.

Sooo I am not a hacker . But Now I feel like I have to  use hack programs just to recover my game saves.

I went and bought a USB adapter for my mem card and I can use a hack prog it seems to get my saves off it and onto a usable memory card.

Is this acceptable? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
But I am a realist. I am not willing to just abandone my hours and hours of saves when I can get them back for aprox 23 dollars total.

But ya, its 23 dollars I shouldn't be spending.

On the bright side I am buying a used xbox card and a 3rd party usb adapter, so MS isn't getting any royalty monies from this purchase.

F o o k    M$ . The money hungry marketing idiots scroood us again.