xCoNx Snoopy wrote:

 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:

 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:

Was it VoD? KGB? DSO? OtK?

No it wasn't any of these.  I really don't want to say as they will probably try to say I am trying to start a flame war, which I am not.

If you must know, I will message you...

Who cares what they think? You have the right to your opinion ;) CRB? SC? TGB? Who else is there? Lol :P

I don't care what these little, immature kids think.  It is the moderators I don't want to get pe-od and remove my post as I want the honest opinions of the people.

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I'm in no clan, I don't need a support group.

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spawn camping don't usually bother me....it is an in-game mechanic so therefore a viable tactic, but being a poor sport can kill just about anyones buzz in a game....example...it was late and all my friends bailed leaving me and 1 other person taking on 9 opponents, try as we might we just couldnt hold anything for long and got quickly pushed onto 1 flag.....now what was "cheap" was the taunting "you guys suck" message I recieved from a player on the other team after the match

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No.

If the enemy team puts themselves in a position where my team can trash them, we will camp them with no remorse.

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My last name is Foertsch. Foertsch is the same thing as 4SH. Therefore... N4SHR = enfoertscher = enforcer

Cool, huh?

Protecting your spawn is part of this game so if your team is getting spawn killed you messed up and are paying for it... The other side of that coin is if I can tie up 4-6 players on your team trying to get me out of your spawn it makes the people on my teams job alot easier... 

Playing just for kills in any "Team Objective" type game is lame but it just so happens that in this game it can help your team win...

My answer is the Yes and No but IMO it's still less lame then sitting on a hill 600m away getting 5 kills game with a VSS...

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You know my answer Red
and for those who don't know, HELL YEAH

Cheap by defenition that players who camp are looking for easy kills. 
AoW was on the Ea forum last night and clearly said this is why they do it, looking to pad their stats.

By those defining mentions, it's very cheap
But as mentioned, if your there, heck no, don't pass it up, you'll get killed if you do

I agree with Funkin
There are too many scenarios for me to give a definitive yes or no. I will say it's very irritating to be defending against a well organized team & your squad mates are in the attackers base picking of the 1 or 2 random players not spawning on their squad. I've also heard other players saying not to arm the last crate to drag the game out longer for more kills. That's why more & more I just play a different game if I can't squad up with some friends

 FPSJunkie wrote:

I agree with Funkin
There are too many scenarios for me to give a definitive yes or no. I will say it's very irritating to be defending against a well organized team & your squad mates are in the attackers base picking of the 1 or 2 random players not spawning on their squad. I've also heard other players saying not to arm the last crate to drag the game out longer for more kills. That's why more & more I just play a different game if I can't squad up with some friends

I can't stand a quick win against a bad team. You don't need to drag it out for an hour, but at least let the reinforcement bar hit halfway before you push for the win..

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 Funkin wacky wrote:

Protecting your spawn is part of this game so if your team is getting spawn killed you messed up and are paying for it... The other side of that coin is if I can tie up 4-6 players on your team trying to get me out of your spawn it makes the people on my teams job alot easier... 

Playing just for kills in any "Team Objective" type game is lame but it just so happens that in this game it can help your team win...

My answer is the Yes and No but IMO it's still less lame then sitting on a hill 600m away getting 5 kills game with a VSS...

 FPSJunkie wrote:

I agree with Funkin
There are too many scenarios for me to give a definitive yes or no. I will say it's very irritating to be defending against a well organized team & your squad mates are in the attackers base picking of the 1 or 2 random players not spawning on their squad. I've also heard other players saying not to arm the last crate to drag the game out longer for more kills. That's why more & more I just play a different game if I can't squad up with some friends

We could just say that you are undecided then.   Or you can use my example from the previous page to base your vote on then.  The example with C4.

10 Yes
3 No
and 2 undecided

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 I FetusPotPie I wrote:

spawn camping don't usually bother me....it is an in-game mechanic so therefore a viable tactic, but being a poor sport can kill just about anyones buzz in a game....example...it was late and all my friends bailed leaving me and 1 other person taking on 9 opponents, try as we might we just couldnt hold anything for long and got quickly pushed onto 1 flag.....now what was "cheap" was the taunting "you guys suck" message I recieved from a player on the other team after the match

I am still trying to figure out what your vote is.

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 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:

 I FetusPotPie I wrote:

spawn camping don't usually bother me....it is an in-game mechanic so therefore a viable tactic, but being a poor sport can kill just about anyones buzz in a game....example...it was late and all my friends bailed leaving me and 1 other person taking on 9 opponents, try as we might we just couldnt hold anything for long and got quickly pushed onto 1 flag.....now what was "cheap" was the taunting "you guys suck" message I recieved from a player on the other team after the match

I am still trying to figure out what your vote is.

Id say he's a no, spawn camping isn't cheap.

For my vote, if we're going by your C4 example, it is most definately cheap.

But if we go by my more general fair/unfair example, I am, in reality, on both sides. But for the purpose of this thread, I would be a no, it is not cheap (going by my example).

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 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:

Id say he's a no, spawn camping isn't cheap.

For my vote, if we're going by your C4 example, it is most definately cheap.

But if we go by my more general fair/unfair example, I am, in reality, on both sides. But for the purpose of this thread, I would be a no, it is not cheap (going by my example).

You just confused the heck out of me with votes both ways, but as far as your vote, I already have you down for no.

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After rereading the question I have to say yes, if you are doing it strictly for points/kills & not for the win

 FPSJunkie wrote:

After rereading the question I have to say yes, if you are doing it strictly for points/kills & not for the win

Ok,

11 Yes it is cheap
3 No it is not cheap
1 Undecided

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One word - Yes.

Although, i will have to say, it hasn't proven much of a problem in this game. There's been only a few instances where i've died in my spawn, most that i considered just a coincidence. But when i notice that im killed by the same person more than once, then i'll consider it camping. And spawn with a shotgun next time. ;)

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 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:

 I FetusPotPie I wrote:

spawn camping don't usually bother me....it is an in-game mechanic so therefore a viable tactic, but being a poor sport can kill just about anyones buzz in a game....example...it was late and all my friends bailed leaving me and 1 other person taking on 9 opponents, try as we might we just couldnt hold anything for long and got quickly pushed onto 1 flag.....now what was "cheap" was the taunting "you guys suck" message I recieved from a player on the other team after the match

I am still trying to figure out what your vote is.

like team killing, I'm on the fence on this one.....both extremes have valid points....so my asnwer is "it depends on the situation that brought about the opportunity to spawnkill"

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Thanks for the votes...

12 say Yes it is cheap
3 say No it is not
2 Undecided

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I say no...A kill is a kill.  Everyone spawncamps/ baserapes at one time or another.

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 II PARALLAX II wrote:

 x REDRUM 781 x wrote:

 I FetusPotPie I wrote:

spawn camping don't usually bother me....it is an in-game mechanic so therefore a viable tactic, but being a poor sport can kill just about anyones buzz in a game....example...it was late and all my friends bailed leaving me and 1 other person taking on 9 opponents, try as we might we just couldnt hold anything for long and got quickly pushed onto 1 flag.....now what was "cheap" was the taunting "you guys suck" message I recieved from a player on the other team after the match

I am still trying to figure out what your vote is.

like team killing, I'm on the fence on this one.....both extremes have valid points....so my asnwer is "it depends on the situation that brought about the opportunity to spawnkill"

Yeah, I'm on board with what you're saying and kinda agree. If my team has the enemy pinned back to one base, there is no way in hell that we're gonna let them just walk the hell right out of there and grab another base to spawn on, sorry, if that pi$$eS some of you off then so be it but if you wanna get back into the fight then you're gonna have to earn it. On another note I really don't wanna be in those types of matches anyway, they suck, I want an opponent who has some fight and grit, that's what makes a great match, when you're punching your opponent in the mouth and he's hitting you right back. That's what I like about this game, you really can't, for the most part, go Rambo and do it all by yourself, especially if you're playing a good team, you gonna have teamwork.

No, it is not cheap; it is a part of the game. If you let us into your spawn, then you need to get us out, or else your attacking tickets will deplete / you cannot defend/disarm the crate.

A DICE developer puts it nicely:

Quote number one.

Quote numero dos.

And before someone points out, "Artillery glitching is part of the game, but you consider that cheap. How is that any different from spawn killing?"

Artillery glitching is just that: glitching. All you do is hop on a gun and manipulate the game. To spawn kill, you have to fight your way into the spawn and continue to stay there, otherwise known as Battlefield offensive. In real war, you can't hop on and off an artillery whilst it magically reloads, but you can cut off the attackers/defenders from their point of entry.

So to reiterate: No, spawn killing is not cheap.

Those two quotes just renewed my faith in DICE developers. I <3 GvD

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13 say Yes it is cheap
5 say No it is not
2 Undecided

 T Stump wrote:

A DICE developer puts it nicely:

Quote number one.

Quote numero dos.

Please don't post this on here.  This is the opinion of ONE developer.  If he wants to have his vote count, then he needs to post so on here.

I wonder how many of the other developers disagree.  

This is his opinion and we don't care about it.  We care about your opinion.

Besides, the argument "well a developer said it was ok" doesn't work.  After all, Larry Flint said we should all buy cheap hookers and drink all day, but just because he said it, doesn't make it law.

It is an opinion, and not yours so stick to the poll and your opinion.

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All he did was use a well-known, well-informed outside resource to support his opinion. Same as using citing a book to support your argument in an essay.

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 xCoNx Snoopy wrote:

All he did was use a well-known, well-informed outside resource to support his opinion. Same as using citing a book to support your argument in an essay.

Yes but I have seen this used as a crutch for this argument.  It is fine that he used it, but this does not need to be posted here as I want the person's opinion, not the developer (unless the dev got on here and voted himself).

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 Funkin wacky wrote:

Protecting your spawn is part of this game so if your team is getting spawn killed you messed up and are paying for it... The other side of that coin is if I can tie up 4-6 players on your team trying to get me out of your spawn it makes the people on my teams job alot easier... 

Playing just for kills in any "Team Objective" type game is lame but it just so happens that in this game it can help your team win...

My answer is the Yes and No but IMO it's still less lame then sitting on a hill 600m away getting 5 kills game with a VSS...

In addition....
Standing 2 feet away from a spawn point and killing people as they spawn is hella lame... IMO it's takes the sport out of it and is just as bad as a glitch...
If I "spawn camp" I'll put myself in the general area of there spawn so they at least have a fighting chance... But if I catch a squad trying to get in my spawn all bets are off...

BF:BC has the worst spawn system ever seen on XBL and like the other failures in this game you just have to learn to deal with it...

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I want to live in a world where a man can wear footy pajamas and not have to face ridicule....

 Also the dev posts hint more at Camping Spawn or the area around the current base VS Spawn Camping literally posting up mere inches from a known spawn in location and killing the person before they can get their barrings.
  Im not saying every death on spawn is spawn camping because sometimes there are coincidences that result in spawning to death.
  So camping spawn, Im all for it as you would be an idiot to not target the source of the flow. Where as intentionally camping a spawn in location down to a few inches is still bad form.

  Edit - Funkin sounds like you camp spawn VS spawn camp. I find the two quite different. Also I think BF:BC has a decent spawn system I have seen much worse. The option of squad spawning is very helpful and many spawn locations are indoors giving you the ability to find your rout out to death. I just wish the actual locations comprised of spawn in clusters that shift randomly lessening the chance of someone pinning down the beam in.

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Methinks people first post and perhaps then later read on.
One of many, last of two.

 T Stump wrote:

A DICE developer puts it nicely:

Quote number one.

Quote numero dos.

I actually need to clarify something....  After a little reaserch, I found out that GordanVanDyke IS NOT a developer from Dice.  He is simply a spokesperson

He had nothing to do with the creation of this or any other Battlefield game other than he works in the public relations dept.  

Do some research and see for yourself.

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 Funkin wacky wrote:

In addition....
Standing 2 feet away from a spawn point and killing people as they spawn is hella lame... IMO it's takes the sport out of it and is just as bad as a glitch...

 XphR wrote:

literally posting up mere inches from a known spawn in location and killing the person before they can get their barrings.

 XphR wrote:

Where as intentionally camping a spawn in location down to a few inches is still bad form.

These parts of your post are what I am talking about in my poll. 

So do I guess that would be yes from both of you then?

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   On my part, Indeed!

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Methinks people first post and perhaps then later read on.
One of many, last of two.

God now I have to do a recount as I can't remember what I had funky wacky as.  I think I had him as undecided.

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