Randzz wrote:

The technical aspects I'll leave to people like KowtowRobinson & Tidelleaf (how you guys study that stuff without getting bleary-eyed or a headache is beyond me).  Hope I didn't ramble too much, I'm getting old

We learn it in small doses, lol.  Don't get the idea that I just sit around and leaf through pages of frame data all day, it's really not true.  Generally you just have to learn the way frame data WORKS, and know numbers for a few of your characters moves.  Then you gradually go about connecting x's and o's with the other characters movesets, finding commonly used moves that are unsafe on block for example.  Even after that, it'll come down to experience in matches to nail them down consistently.

Guys, don't get the idea that the pros are seeing a bunch of numbers and symbols in front of their eyes like the Matrix or something while they're playing, lol.  It's really not like that at all.

 CryoWarrior wrote:

Play on edge master.

this

 Resol23 wrote:

 st00pid monkey4 wrote:

Button mash.

I think that would fall under "cheap moves"

why? you have no idea what the result will be

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 Darth Duderino wrote:

 CryoWarrior wrote:

Play on edge master.

this

This will only get you good at finding exploitable AI patterns, and teaching you VERY bad habits against actual experienced human players.

play cheap too. Ring outs, spam moves, Etc.
but when you find a worthly foe, battle him with honor :D

 MementoMorii wrote:

play cheap too. Ring outs, spam moves, Etc.
but when you find a worthly foe, battle him with honor :D

I tried for a while to debunk this whole myth with someone else earlier.  The entire thread wound up agreeing with me except for the OP, so I'm not sure if ignoring facts counts as personal preference, or what's going on.

Basically the gist of it was that no move is foolproof.  Ring outs come from certain moves, moves with weaknesses.  Some of these weaknesses are lessened significantly when playing online, but that's a fault of online fighting games, not the core gameplay itself.  Ring awareness and learning a character's ringout moves by experience or research, and finding the appropriate counter, these things lead to deeper mixups, not "cheapness."

I've listed tips against common ringouts numerous times, such as all reverse ring out throws being a B break with only three exceptions being Vader, Ivy and Yoshi.  Likewise, many forward ringouts are A breaks, Raph is an exception to this.  A forward ring out move that's mid may be steppable, one that you can't step easily may be high, etc.  Finding these things to improve in your game is supposed to be the whole point of getting good at a fighting game of any kind.  Learning your combos is just the start, if these games were as simple as learning some combos and just doing them whenever you wanted, they wouldn't be all that interesting.

I'm not sure what else to say that I haven't already said in here before, honestly.  I think the fact that the online play is so heavily flawed winds up being a huge barrier to understanding some of these concepts, maybe I'm just never going to get through to some people because of that.

Getting 'good' at SC and being successful online are two totally different things.  Which are you lookin for?

If you want to get 'good' you should probably try and meet some local SC players in your area and play local matches with them for starters.  The SC community is always looking for new apprentices and love to share their knowledge with others.

Playing local matches will show you many of the game's core fundamentals that get lost during online play, the fundamentals that make Soulcalibur one of the best fighter franchises out there today.

Getting involved in the community is the easiest way to start picking up on your own personal strengthts with the help of others kind of mentoring you.  One of the most common things people will show you is what moves you can or cant get away with.  :)

If you are just wanting to be successful online, you can pick a spammy character like Siegfried, Killik, Cassandra, Ivy or Lizardman and start getting the hang of them.  Play higher level players often and see if you can start emulating their combos in practice mode. 

There are a great deal of combos online that can cause a lot of damage that are outside the game's design scope and a bit imbalanced.  Get the hang of those combos used by some of the veteran online players and you will be on your way to a higher rank before ya know it.  :)

the local SCIV scene here in SoCal is pretty much dead :(

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Na, I'd rather be a cheap @ss



Sorry KowtowRobinson, I couldn't resist 

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That which is manmade has within it the seeds of its own destruction.

I think the best way to get better at soul calibur, like any fighting game, is to just find a character you like. Not the one your friend told you to use, not the one that everyone picks because the moves are easy to do...seriously, just one you like, and focus on just playing as that character. Maybe have a second character just for variety, but basically stick to one. And if the character you really like just HAPPENS to be the one everyone chooses because of easy moves...etc, etc, so be it..but make it YOUR choice.
Once you have that figured out, then go to free training to learn the ranges of your moves, and how to do actually do them. Learn which ones take time, which ones come out quick, which ones leave you with a big recover  time, things like that.
Of course, playing some single player against the ultra cheap CPU helps some, but like someone said, don't rely on just that because then all you do is find exploits in the AI....not something you will see too much against real players. Personally, I practice alot of defensive stuff against the computer....sorta let them do their thing, and find moves your character has that counters, overpowers, or fends off a particular attack. And practice lots of parries and guard impacts.
Finally, once your somewhat comfortable with your character, and what they can and can't do, you can go online, and just look for low level fighters (although they may be experts in disguise), and just build yourself up slowly.
At first, its not a bad idea to expect to lose, but get in some good shots. After getting in some shots becomes pretty comfortable, then work towards winning a round here and there, then work towards actually winning the match.
If i sound like i am an expert..i am not...thats just how i am learning. I am an average to above average player who is using the "slow boat" to get better, but in the end, it will be worth it to me.
Just my four cents.....
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 The Turntablist wrote:

the local SCIV scene here in SoCal is pretty much dead :(

Stay offline, leave online and stop retending you beat people who you've never fought. Mister 3 losses in Ranked.

Soul calibur 4 is a game of turtling, mainly, you try and play as defensive as possible, but allow yourself to combo, and use effectiv mix-ups, that being utalizing low fakes, or quick lows, grabs, and also utalizing GI and side stepping. GI's are probably one of the most over-looked tools that this game has, you can seriously nulify an opponants offense by utalizing GI's, and allow yourself to gain momentum back.

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

 The Turntablist wrote:

the local SCIV scene here in SoCal is pretty much dead :(

Stay offline, leave online and stop retending you beat people who you've never fought. Mister 3 losses in Ranked.

Soul calibur 4 is a game of turtling, mainly, you try and play as defensive as possible, but allow yourself to combo, and use effectiv mix-ups, that being utalizing low fakes, or quick lows, grabs, and also utalizing GI and side stepping. GI's are probably one of the most over-looked tools that this game has, you can seriously nulify an opponants offense by utalizing GI's, and allow yourself to gain momentum back.

lol. wow, GI's and side stepping, you sure know your ***...what next, you're going to tell us that we need to block attacks as well...instead of talking *** play me online...scrubs....

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

Stay offline, leave online and stop retending you beat people who you've never fought. Mister 3 losses in Ranked.

wow, ur really stalking me??

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 The Turntablist wrote:

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

 The Turntablist wrote:

the local SCIV scene here in SoCal is pretty much dead :(

Stay offline, leave online and stop retending you beat people who you've never fought. Mister 3 losses in Ranked.

Soul calibur 4 is a game of turtling, mainly, you try and play as defensive as possible, but allow yourself to combo, and use effectiv mix-ups, that being utalizing low fakes, or quick lows, grabs, and also utalizing GI and side stepping. GI's are probably one of the most over-looked tools that this game has, you can seriously nulify an opponants offense by utalizing GI's, and allow yourself to gain momentum back.

lol. wow, GI's and side stepping, you sure know your ***...what next, you're going to tell us that we need to block attacks as well...instead of talking *** play me online...scrubs....

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

Stay offline, leave online and stop retending you beat people who you've never fought. Mister 3 losses in Ranked.

wow, ur really stalking me??

You have 3 losses in ranked (disconnector) and alos the fact I smashed you multiple times in ranked against Otaku Slave. And also, you talk crap about people who you've never fought, or ever heard of you. I doubt you have any credability to call anyone "scrubs" or to even talk smack for that matter..

 The Turntablist wrote:

wow, ur really stalking me??

i don't think he needs to stalk you, because your a proven sh!t talker. i'm just saying man, i heard you use lag tactics, and trash talk, is there any more reason to bash you?

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

You have 3 losses in ranked (disconnector) and alos the fact I smashed you multiple times in ranked against Otaku Slave. And also, you talk crap about people who you've never fought, or ever heard of you. I doubt you have any credability to call anyone "scrubs" or to even talk smack for that matter..

lol, I don't quite get you, do you think I'm otaku slave???...and I haven't played rank in over half a year...now who's BSing??

 SAMURAI PUNK x wrote:

 The Turntablist wrote:

wow, ur really stalking me??

i don't think he needs to stalk you, because your a proven sh!t talker. i'm just saying man, i heard you use lag tactics, and trash talk, is there any more reason to bash you?

...and you...you don't even know me, or have ever played me...so what are you doing in the conversation??

I really don't know why you guys are so pissed. If you're questioning my skills please feel free to send me an invite, I would be more than happy to play you guys :) ...and maybe you can stop making factless assumptions about me.

...oh, and fyi, you think my win ratio is unbelievable on SCIV? My win ratio on other fighters is just as good. 90+ win ratios on both BlazBlue and Tekken 6...and you know their legit thanks to instant losses given to ragequitters...again, try not to assume.

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lol turntable.. the reason i never fought u is cause you had a disconnector win ratio... u were level 30.. with 330 wins with 3 losses..?? so i left.. then u tell people u beat me? c'mon...>.> then u say i used sophitia??  ok ok ok and you would'nt quit to take 4th loss and ruin your 98% win ratio?? lol 98% = quitter... so yea i did'nt fight u...

n00b  =P

 The Turntablist wrote:

 SOUL xxBADASS wrote:

You have 3 losses in ranked (disconnector) and alos the fact I smashed you multiple times in ranked against Otaku Slave. And also, you talk crap about people who you've never fought, or ever heard of you. I doubt you have any credability to call anyone "scrubs" or to even talk smack for that matter..

lol, I don't quite get you, do you think I'm otaku slave???...and I haven't played rank in over half a year...now who's BSing??

 SAMURAI PUNK x wrote:

 The Turntablist wrote:

wow, ur really stalking me??

i don't think he needs to stalk you, because your a proven sh!t talker. i'm just saying man, i heard you use lag tactics, and trash talk, is there any more reason to bash you?

...and you...you don't even know me, or have ever played me...so what are you doing in the conversation??

I really don't know why you guys are so pissed. If you're questioning my skills please feel free to send me an invite, I would be more than happy to play you guys :) ...and maybe you can stop making factless assumptions about me.

...oh, and fyi, you think my win ratio is unbelievable on SCIV? My win ratio on other fighters is just as good. 90+ win ratios on both BlazBlue and Tekken 6...and you know their legit thanks to instant losses given to ragequitters...again, try not to assume.

Dude I played you, you suck, your not a crazy good player. You did'nt know how to GI even a single obvious combo string by Nightmare which I used 6 times previously. You went around and said you beat a bunch of high level players like beyonder, cat, Judas. But then when I asked you what styles they used you drew a blank.. a brief pause. Then you replied with the wrong styles. You said cat girl uses sophitia, and that judas uses mitsurugi?? Judas uses Ivy, and Cat girl uses siegfried. and no Beyonder does'nt play as Cassandra, he plays as Seig and Nightmare.

Turn, you can't even get your lies straight, how do you expect people to care about what you have to say now? You spread a bunch of lies to somehow sound cool, and legit, but at the end of the day you miss the point. No one looks up to anyone as good, great, or even better. We all think we ourselves are legit, and great.

So do me a favor, shut up.

haha, this turntable-ist guy is a dumb *** if he thinks anyone belives he does'nt drop out of matches when hes about to lose... 300+ fights and you got 3 losses? hahaha!! this IS ONLINE RANKED we are talking about here right? hahaha 3 losses = your a quitter noob

 AZURE ACE KID wrote:

haha, this turntable-ist guy is a dumb *** if he thinks anyone belives he does'nt drop out of matches when hes about to lose... 300+ fights and you got 3 losses? hahaha!! this IS ONLINE RANKED we are talking about here right? hahaha 3 losses = your a quitter noob

Man I knew of one guy named like Goofy grazel, he was an ok mitsurgi user, just fine, but the dude would quit after he was about to lose. then one day he got a double ring out on a match i was dominating on, and in the final round he had no HP to my almost full guage, and before he pulled the plug he threw a last ditch effor to ring me out. man after i got rung out i quickly pressed the power button.

The the Goofy guy messeged me like "oh man you quit like a ***" I explained to him that he quit out on me 3 times previously. So i guess what I'm trying to say is, everyone is gonna try to say something or do something to make themselves look better than others. Like if i see someone good, Im not gonna sit there and gauck at them, i'm gonna try and take what they got or lie to steal the lime light.

In soul calibur 4, everyone lies, everyone wants to be the best, online is just dumb, if turntablist thinks people will think hes cool because hes got some uber l33t fake quantum singularity ratio then so be it. Aint no one really cares what someone's rank is other than a dude whos got a big ego.

So i guess what i'm trying to say is, if your gonna trash talk, quit matches, and be a douche, then i guess you should'nt complain when all that crap drops on your shoulders. no one likes to lose, and everyone wants to be considered the best. But degrading other people and crap just makes you look worse. so yea turntablist answer your question?

By the way.. turntablist, did you just brag about your 90+ win ratio on other games like Tekken 6/ whats your record, 4-1? c'mon man, your just a gifted player right? your hands are just modded and you excel more than other people. There isn't anyone out there that can get lucky, or outskill you? Right there man, is why i think your full of ***..