Project Zero was one of the first games I tried; still not fixed. ***'s bells, MS; please fix this, it's daft. All that needs to be added is the game ID code.

Nope! it still does not work...what a joke!

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 Dark Void2100 wrote:

Nope! it still does not work...what a joke!

 

 

hey it sux man i bought it cant play it  i want to play it so much  i that i was thinking of   buying xbox machine just to play it

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I'am death your time is up

This isn't the first thread on this issue and most likely will not be the last, as Microsoft refuse to recognise this.

 

The problem with some people being able to play while others can't is a simple regional issue.
Fatal Frame is the American (or NTSC) title, and Project Zero is the English (or PAL) title.
They are the same game fundamentally, all but the name.

So as a result of this Fatal Frame is indeed playable on the XBox 360, through the Backwards Compatibility updates, but Project Zero isn't.

As I mentioned earlier, this isn't the first reporting of this.
I have personally taken part in other threads relating to this.
Multiple people claimed to have reported this to Microsoft, including myself, only to receive an e-mail from them, basically telling us that the individual console is the issue.  I know, for a fact, my console isn't faulty. And the same probably goes for the other poor souls with the same problem.

The true problem lies with Microsoft; they should remove the Fatal Frame listing from the UK Backwards Compatibility list, as Fatal Frame was never released on our shores.

 

On a similar note they should change the "Fatal Frame 2: The Crimson Butterfly" listing to: "Project Zero 2: The Crimson Butterfly". As too the name was also changed for the UK.

I hope this clears any misunderstandings between posters, as it is true that some of you can play this title and others can't. It all depends on your consoles region.

 

 I personally have an issue understanding why every single one of the “Tom Clancy’s” games are playable, but Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil isn't, even though it is essentially just Doom 3, with new areas and weapons. Doom 3 is on the list, and it plays flawlessly from landing on Mars to closing ***.  Same goes with the Unreals, lots of games on the list use the Unreal Engine, so why isn’t Unreal 2, or Championship on there, and all of the other games that have technical similarities to titles that are on the list.

I’m sorry, that was a bit of a rant, but the point is valid.

Thanks for reading, I hope we get some decent progress from the future updates, since we were promised that Fully Backwards compatibility WILL be achieved.

This still doesn't work!! Unbelievable.....

Its been almost a year since the first thread, and MS hasn't even done as little as removing the game from the BC list?

Im going to stop checking on this anymore, its obvious MS are not going to do anything about this. And i agree with some of the previous posters, surely MS are breaking some law by saying something works when it most definately does not. Maybe if they had fixed it within a couple of months of it appearing on the list. But for it to be on the list for 9 months and still not work is going a bit far.

 AlBob75 wrote:

This still doesn't work!! Unbelievable.....

Its been almost a year since the first thread, and MS hasn't even done as little as removing the game from the BC list?

Im going to stop checking on this anymore, its obvious MS are not going to do anything about this. And i agree with some of the previous posters, surely MS are breaking some law by saying something works when it most definately does not. Maybe if they had fixed it within a couple of months of it appearing on the list. But for it to be on the list for 9 months and still not work is going a bit far.

 

Unfortunately, my gaming comrade, Fatal Frame does indeed play on the XBox 360 (NTSC only).
It's the PAL version, Project Zero that doesn't work, and it isn't listed.

Neither is the PAL title: Project Zero 2: The Crimson Butterfly listed, but that does work, along with its NTSC counterpart: Fatal Frame 2: The Crimson Butterfly (which IS on the UK list, for some reason).

I agree it is infuriating, but to our dismay, it's up to Microsoft what happens with that list.

They did have a Suggestions e-mail address, which you could use to submit a list of games you would like to see on the list, but that turned out to just be a waste of time.
The fact that Unreal Championship (original), one of the most popular multiplayer games ever released for XBox isn't on the list proves this.

 

If Microsoft wants to prove to the people they indeed are a customer caring company, they would increase the rate of games added to this list.

It's embarrassing when, Nintendo's Wii plays ALL GameCube titles (even compatible with GBA link), and the Virtual Console is perfect, Okay I admit the range of games available to download is limited, but at least it updates regularly.

Even Sony's PS3 Backwards Compatibility, it may not be flawless, but it's got a lot more titles on it than ever expected, and from launch. To what I've been told it's firmware updateable too.

Microsoft now has a lot of competition in the Backwards Compatibility, so maybe this'll give them an incentive to make an effort.

 Sisee wrote:

 AlBob75 wrote:

This still doesn't work!! Unbelievable.....

Its been almost a year since the first thread, and MS hasn't even done as little as removing the game from the BC list?

Im going to stop checking on this anymore, its obvious MS are not going to do anything about this. And i agree with some of the previous posters, surely MS are breaking some law by saying something works when it most definately does not. Maybe if they had fixed it within a couple of months of it appearing on the list. But for it to be on the list for 9 months and still not work is going a bit far.

 

Unfortunately, my gaming comrade, Fatal Frame does indeed play on the XBox 360 (NTSC only).
It's the PAL version, Project Zero that doesn't work, and it isn't listed.

Neither is the PAL title: Project Zero 2: The Crimson Butterfly listed, but that does work, along with its NTSC counterpart: Fatal Frame 2: The Crimson Butterfly (which IS on the UK list, for some reason).

I agree it is infuriating, but to our dismay, it's up to Microsoft what happens with that list.

They did have a Suggestions e-mail address, which you could use to submit a list of games you would like to see on the list, but that turned out to just be a waste of time.
The fact that Unreal Championship (original), one of the most popular multiplayer games ever released for XBox isn't on the list proves this.

 

If Microsoft wants to prove to the people they indeed are a customer caring company, they would increase the rate of games added to this list.

It's embarrassing when, Nintendo's Wii plays ALL GameCube titles (even compatible with GBA link), and the Virtual Console is perfect, Okay I admit the range of games available to download is limited, but at least it updates regularly.

Even Sony's PS3 Backwards Compatibility, it may not be flawless, but it's got a lot more titles on it than ever expected, and from launch. To what I've been told it's firmware updateable too.

Microsoft now has a lot of competition in the Backwards Compatibility, so maybe this'll give them an incentive to make an effort.

 

ps3 play all 1 2 & 3 games without updating it like microsoft but i want to project zero to get its backward compatibility   

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I'am death your time is up

The PS3 DOESN'T play 'all' PS1 & PS2 games. Anyway... I think the issue here is that the BC team don't care/check the PAL regions; why else would be be told that Jet Set Radio & Project Zero work when they don't? Not to mention the travesty which is the situation with the VGA cable, which coulc be solved by giving the option to force the emulated Xbox to 60hz / NTSC....

 Retroid wrote:

The PS3 DOESN'T play 'all' PS1 & PS2 games. Anyway... I think the issue here is that the BC team don't care/check the PAL regions; why else would be be told that Jet Set Radio & Project Zero work when they don't? Not to mention the travesty which is the situation with the VGA cable, which coulc be solved by giving the option to force the emulated Xbox to 60hz / NTSC....

 

 

maybe changing the format of xbox to usa it might be able to play who know it just a try         

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I'am death your time is up

No one made the claim that the PS3 could play ALL PSone and PS2 games.
It can play most of them.

 

I've used the PS3 website, and the search engin they have for the Bacwards compatibility.
I typed all of my PS2 tiles in it and I only got one back that wasn't working perfect, and that was only a minor issue.

1 out of over 60 games I own, that's pretty good. Compare that to the XBox 360, I have around 20 Xbox games and only 12 of them play, they're all pretty popular games, so it's nothing to do with my tases in games being unpopular.

All I can see is that Microsoft claim they have an entire department dedicated to Backwards Compatibility.
If this is true then Microsoft seriously need to step in and tell these people to shift it up a gear.

 Sisee wrote:

No one made the claim that the PS3 could play ALL PSone and PS2 games.
It can play most of them.

Ahem:

 peakiamdeath wrote:

ps3 play all 1 2 & 3 games without updating it like microsoft but i want to project zero to get its backward compatibility   

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 peakiamdeath wrote:

maybe changing the format of xbox to usa it might be able to play who know it just a try         

If only it worked like that, but it doesn't. It'd make a mockery of the region locking and license deals, wouldn't it? But I have suggested that the OPTION to switch the BC emulation to NTSC to get past that problem. I'm betting good money that the so-called Emu Ninjas won't do that, though.

 Retroid wrote:

 Sisee wrote:

No one made the claim that the PS3 could play ALL PSone and PS2 games.
It can play most of them.

Ahem:

 peakiamdeath wrote:

ps3 play all 1 2 & 3 games without updating it like microsoft but i want to project zero to get its backward compatibility   

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 peakiamdeath wrote:

maybe changing the format of xbox to usa it might be able to play who know it just a try         

If only it worked like that, but it doesn't. It'd make a mockery of the region locking and license deals, wouldn't it? But I have suggested that the OPTION to switch the BC emulation to NTSC to get past that problem. I'm betting good money that the so-called Emu Ninjas won't do that, though.

 

 

it sux why are they not just releasing the update for project zero   

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I'am death your time is up

Damn it all to ***, I also recently fell into the trap of assuming if Fatal Frame was on the BC list for PAL 360's that I could get Project Zero and it would work.... does anyone know if this is still a problem?

I havent even made it home yet to try it, but it sounds as though I am probably boned....

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we still need to wait i hope this weeks i bought it nearly 3 month ago still can not play it

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I'am death your time is up

Dear Microsoft BC team,

Do you care about you PAL customers at all?  I just bought a copy of Project Zero believing it to be the same game as Fatal Frame in all but name and would really like to get my hands on Jet Set Radio Future (oh wait, that's Jet GRIND Radio in other regions!!!)  but it seems because I only live in the UK I'm not as worthy as the rest of the world is to play your games despite supporting your product since the day the original Xbox was released.

If you do not fix this issue I will be forced to enlist the services of consumer watchdog advisors to investigate your claims that we have faulty X-box consoles so need to waste time and money repairing them when it is blatantly obvious that there is NOTHING to fix.

Irrate From London ;)

FYI - when this game originally went into the list, it was under the name "Project Zero". It was later on that they updated the list, and changed it to "Fatal Frame".

Which brings me to my next question - why do they have the non-european version of the game listed on the Europe BC list? What use is that?

If you check this other thread, i've put in a comment near the bottom (dated 4th Dec) about them changing the name in the list from Project Zero to Fatal Frame:

http://forums.xbox.com/8608906/ShowPost.aspx

f%ck it sux cant belive it why arnt they re releasing the update for it

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I'am death your time is up

And with yet another update done... still no sign of Project Zero for PAL users.... sad sad day

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"A real friend stabs you in the front" Oscar Wilde

 MrE26 wrote:

Can someone with a US copy put it into their PC DVD drive & see what the filename on the disc is? The UK version is SEP13011042072. I'm presuming the US version is different & that's the reason it doesn't run. Since the 2 games are identical (other than the title screen,) there can be no other reason for it not to work.

I rented the game, and put it in just for you! But really... This is the ONLY game that's ever scared me, (First one) and man... I returned it when I played on on the PS2. I hope to get through it this time with the XBox...
Anyway, disk ID here is SEP13011042072. Yet another reason for MS to think it would work properly. I think the problem is that the XBox ID/unlock code is different for the game. Obviously, I can't check it, and I don't even know HOW to check it. But that would/should be a quick check for MS, and even quicker fix as they would just need to add the ID then.

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We need a defragmentation and check disk utility! The NXE lag, it's gone. WOHOO!

I actually think its more likely to do with the XBE itself (Xbox 1 executable file), since the file size of that will be different for the NTSC one which could actually hinder the efforts of BC for it in itself since they share the same disc ID apparently.  The BC team would need to write an additional section to their code for that disc ID which checks for either of the two XBE file sizes and CRC checks.

This is just my personal opinion though, lord knows what actually goes on in the BC layer.

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"A real friend stabs you in the front" Oscar Wilde

I just tried playing the North American version of Fatal Frame 1 and my 360 wont play it. I have the most recent BC update so why wont it play?

Project Zero 2 was one of my favourite games on original Xbox.  I traded it in when I bought my 360.  Absolutely gutted that it didn't work.  My problem is that I want to play the game and can't, because it appears to be only playable on Xbox 360 using an American copy of the game (Fatal Frame II). I live in sunny Lancashire in England and so I'm finding it hard to buy it for a reasonable price, and I'm not entirely convinced that it would work anyway.

My suggestion to Microsoft is, why don't you put it on Xbox Live as a downloadable game?  This would solve all the problems and would be at a decent price. (I still feel that the download prices are quite high though)

Would Tecmo allow Microsoft to do this?

 

 The Pashmeister wrote:

Project Zero 2 was one of my favourite games on original Xbox.  I traded it in when I bought my 360.  Absolutely gutted that it didn't work.  My problem is that I want to play the game and can't, because it appears to be only playable on Xbox 360 using an American copy of the game (Fatal Frame II). I live in sunny Lancashire in England and so I'm finding it hard to buy it for a reasonable price, and I'm not entirely convinced that it would work anyway.

My suggestion to Microsoft is, why don't you put it on Xbox Live as a downloadable game?  This would solve all the problems and would be at a decent price. (I still feel that the download prices are quite high though)

Would Tecmo allow Microsoft to do this?

 

number 2 works but first dont work so i still got the game on side.   

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I'am death your time is up

its kinda sad - this thread is over 2 years old... and they still couldnt get around to fix it.
too bad, since imho the first game is the best out of the series, second game being the worst.

tell me about it i bought few xbox 360 game until they release the re update for this game       

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I'am death your time is up

hey sorry to bump such an old thread, but i just heard about project zero (fatal frame in the US) and it sucks that the PAL version named project zero wont work!

I was just about to buy it too....

Does the pal version of project zero 2 Crimson Butterfly work?

Yes the second works fine, unfortunately it is not nearly as good as the first game.

Though I suppose we must take what we can if we want to enjoy this amazing franchise.

Perhaps our final hope is the Xbox Originals program

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"A real friend stabs you in the front" Oscar Wilde

damn looks like ill have to stick with the second game then

Im actually from australia and was going to import the UK PAL version from ebay, will the directors cut version of project zero 2 work? or is it just only project zero 2?

Or is project zero 2 just the directors cut? im confused

That I am not too sure on, I think it should be fine though

I am actually living in Australia now as well, but am originally from NZ, I wish I had kept my original Xbox and copies of both games :(

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"A real friend stabs you in the front" Oscar Wilde

i got an update for the compatibility mode when putting the game in (PAL in PAL console), but then it refuses to play it still.
yeah, what did we expect.

is there any notation for when those updates are? i yet have to find any info on any schedule.