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   11-24-2008, 1:55 AM
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Guide to using a PC monitor with Xbox 360
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Noticing there wasn’t really any highly detailed guides for using a PC monitor (only a quick general one) with the Xbox 360 I thought I would compose this to help out people intending to use a PC monitor as a display device for the Xbox 360 using the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable. A lot of the information here is official information from Microsoft, along with information gained from personal experience of using a VGA cable to game with. I have also included the instructions of setup.

 

Why use a monitor with my Xbox 360?

Monitors deliver fantastic gaming graphics at high resolutions, as advances in manufacturing have dramatically lowered response times to the gaming-friendly 8ms-or-less range, and at an affordable price. Also if you have a PC you may already have a good monitor to game with, so why buy an expensive HDTV to game on when your monitor can produce impressive enough graphics as a display device, and save you the cost of buying a HDTV? A lot of monitors now are also big enough to still allow you to sit down in a nice comfortable armchair rather than at your desk.

 

How can I connect a monitor to my Xbox 360?

You can connect a monitor to your Xbox 360 by using a Xbox 360 VGA cable. Microsoft sells an official cable that’s available in most retailers. There are also several third party VGA cables, but for this guide I shall use the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable as reference.

 

Can I use any PC monitor with my Xbox 360?

Most PC monitors will work with the Xbox 360. Some older monitors however may not have a VGA port, having the cable attached directly instead. You may have to purchase additional equipment to connect this cable to the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable like the gender changer pictured below.

 

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=765095-4&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=30098&lid=674101

 

What resolutions does the Xbox 360 support?

When choosing a monitor for Xbox 360 gaming, it's important to check that it has one of the below listed resolutions as either a native or supported resolution. Most modern monitors in the 20'' range will have native resolutions higher than 1360x768, but that doesn't necessarily solve the problem. Trying to send a non-supported resolution into most monitors will lead to a muggy, badly scaled, and possibly out-of-frame-image.

 

Post NXE update, the Xbox 360 now supports 16:10 Aspect ratio (though this also displays with thin blacks bars top and bottom of the screen) and the following resolutions:

 

  • 640x480
  • 848x480
  • 1024x768
  • 1280x720
  • 1280x768
  • 1280x1024
  • 1360x768
  • 1440x900
  • 1680x1050

 

What is the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable?

The Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable allows you to showcase stunning Xbox 360 high-definition graphics on your PC monitor or HDTV using the input. You can also play high-quality audio through your stereo system, or PC/Integrated monitor speakers. You can route sound through your PC. You can also use the optical audio port for digital surround sound.

 

What are the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cables features?

  • DV-15S Standard VGA Connector
  • Experience High Definition movies and games at up to 1080p resolution
  • Supports 480p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p resolutions
  • Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound output
  • 8-foot long shielded cable
  • Optical audio port for digital surround sound
  • Left and right (white and red) audio connectors for connecting to home stereo systems, PC, or PC speakers
  • 2x RCA phono female to 1x 3.5mm male jack audio adaptor

 

What does the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable look like?

Here is a picture of the cable inside the packaging.

 

http://www.360maniac.com/images/xbox-360-vga-cable.gif

 

Here is a close up of the cable VGA and audio connectors

 

http://www.fundepots.com/images/XBOX%20360%20VGA%20HD%20AV%20CABLE%20WITH%20OPTICAL%20OUTPUT.jpg

 

If the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable only has the left and right (white and red) audio connectors, how do I connect it to a PC/integrated monitor/PC speakers?

The cable comes supplied with a 2x RCA phono female to 1x 3.5mm male jack audio adaptor that allows you to connect the left and right (white and red) audio connectors into a 1x 3.5mm jack. Here is a picture of the adaptor:

 

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41odFl6ut0L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

 

How do I connect the Official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable to my Xbox 360 with my preferred setup of choice?

To connect to a monitor and home audio equipment:

 

  • Turn off your console.
  • Connect the AV connector on the VGA cable to the AV port on the console. 
  • Connect the VGA connector on the VGA cable to the VGA port on the monitor.
  • Connect the left and right (white and red) audio connectors on the VGA cable to the audio port on the receiver. 
  • Turn on your console.
  • From the System section, change your display settings. Select the appropriate screen size and resolution for the monitor.

 

If your sound system has a digital audio input port, use the digital audio port instead of the standard left and right audio input ports as digital audio input should produce higher-quality sound than analogue input produces.

 

Note: A digital audio cable is not included with the Xbox console. If you want to use digital audio, you must purchase this cable separately. An example of what a digital audio cable looks like can be found here:

 

http://www.accellcables.com/press/productImages/DigitalAudio_Cable.jpg

 

To connect your console to a digital audio system:

  • Connect the VGA cable as described "To connect to a monitor and audio equipment."
  • Connect your digital audio cable to the digital audio input port on your sound system or TV and to the digital audio output on the console end of the VGA cable connector.
  • Turn on your console.
  • From the System section, change your audio and digital output settings. Select the appropriate digital audio settings for the system.

 

To connect to a monitor and PC speakers/integrated monitor speakers:

 

  • Connect the VGA cable as described in "To connect to a monitor and audio equipment."
  • Attach the audio 2x RCA phono female to 1x 3.5mm male jack audio adaptor supplied to the left and right (white and red) audio connectors
  • Plug this into the audio in port on your PC speakers/PC monitor

 

Note: Some speaker sets can use the red and white audio connectors. It is advised to use these where possible for better sound quality.


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   11-24-2008, 2:02 AM
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To connect to a PC and route sound through PC speakers:

 

  • Connect the VGA cable as described "To connect to a monitor and audio equipment."
  • Attach the audio 2x RCA phono female to 1x 3.5mm male jack audio adaptor supplied to the left and right (white and red) audio connectors
  •  Plug this into the audio in port on your PC sound card
  • Go to your Control Panel
  • Go to Hardware and Sound
  • Check to make sure you Line In is checked
  • Make sure your Line In volume is correct

 

Note: Your PC will always need to be switched on if you wish to hear sound from your speakers using this method.

 

Choosing a PC monitor

In this section I will raise some points about choosing a suitable PC monitor for your Xbox 360. Ultimately what you buy comes down to your general gaming needs, and your budget, but hopefully the information here will give you a much more informed idea of what to look for.

 

LCD or CRT?

CRT monitors have traditionally been recommended as the best gaming monitors due to their higher response times. But this can be seen as old news, because LCDs can nowadays easily handle fast-paced games with good response rates.

However buying a good enough LCD monitor for gaming might not be in your budget. So in this case you are better off sticking to a CRT display, which will give you a lot of bang for your buck. In the end, choosing between an LCD or CRT depends on your budget and your gaming needs.

 

Here is a list of the main advantages of LCD and CRT. When deciding between the two, choose the type that best suits your specific needs and your budget.

 

Advantages of LCD Monitors

Less power usage – An LCD monitor require less power than a CRT.

 

Smaller and lighter – LCD monitors are much thinner and lighter than CRTs, and they weigh less.

 

Easier on the eyes – Because of the way LCD displays work, they don’t flicker like CRT monitors and so they reduce eyestrain and headaches. Also, LCDs tend to display text better since they can produce sharper images than CRTs.

 

Advantages of CRT Monitors

Cheaper – CRT monitors are generally less expensive.

 

Better colour range – CRTs are known to more accurately represent different colours than LCDs.

 

Faster response – CRT displays also currently have the upper hand in displaying fast-paced graphics and video. They don’t suffer from LCD-specific problems like ghosting and blurring, and are still currently viewed by many as the best type of monitors for gaming.

 

Multiple Resolutions – CRT monitors can handle multiple resolutions without problems.

 

Less Fragile – CRT monitors are rugged and are harder to damage.

 

Panels

PC monitors normally have one of the following panels.

 

TN = considered the hardcore gaming monitor, lowest colour accuracy, fastest response time/input lag due to low need of processing. Worst viewing angles.

 

PVA/MVA = Highest contrast ratio, decent input lag/response time. Ghosting is an issue, blacks crush as well. If you don't know what black crushing is, it's basically details in darker areas merging together into a giant block, aka, black crush.

 

IPS= Best in terms of colour accuracy, faster response time than PVA/MVA, but not as fast as TN. Most expensive.

 

Response Rate

The response rate of an LCD monitor refers to how quickly each pixel on the screen can change color. The faster the response rate, the less ghosting you will experience. Ghosting is when the previous image displayed on the screen can still be seen as a blur for moments after the image has changed. Ghosting can be seen in fast-paced graphical applications such as games and videos.

 

When choosing an LCD monitor for gaming, the response rate is perhaps the single most important factor to consider. If you’re playing a fast-paced action game such as a first person shooter, when you look around quickly you will experience ghosting. This can ruin your overall gaming experience, depending on how severe the ghosting is. The faster the response rate, the less ghosting you will see.

 

An LCD with a response rate of 8ms (milliseconds) is the minimum for good gaming. Lower than 8ms is better if you can afford it. The very best gaming monitors on the market have extremely fast response rates (even as low as 2ms), completely avoiding ghosting altogether.

 

Viewing Angle

If you look at an LCD monitor from an angle, you will notice that the image appears dimmer and the colors can look weird. At extreme angles the entire image can even disappear. The viewing angle of an LCD monitor is the angle at which you can still view the screen clearly. So, the greater the viewing angle, the better.

 

HDMI, DVI, or VGA?

The High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) is a compact audio/video connector interface for transmitting uncompressed digital streams. HDMI supports, on a single cable, any TV or PC video format including standard, enhanced, and high-definition video along with up to 8 channels of digital audio. The Xbox 360 uses a HDMI 1.2 cable. HDMI is considered to be the best connection for gaming with a monitor but can also be quite expensive.

 

The Digital Visual Interface (DVI) is a video interface standard designed to maximize the visual quality of digital display devices such as flat panel LCD computer displays and digital projectors. It is designed for carrying uncompressed digital video data to a display. It is partially compatible with the High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) standard in digital mode (DVI-D). The only way to use DVI with the Xbox 360 is to buy a DVI Female to HDMI Male Video Adapter as shown below as Microsoft do not currently sell a DVI cable.

 

http://www.consolesandgadgets.com/catalog/images/HDMI_Female_to_DVI_%20Male_back.jpg

 

DVI is not considered to be as strong as HDMI due to only being partially compatible with HDMI, yet it does offer good quality.

 

The Video Graphics Array (VGA) has come to mean either an analog computer display standard, the 15-pin D-subminiature VGA connector, or the 640×480 resolution itself. VGA was the last graphical standard introduced by IBM that the majority of PC clone manufacturers conformed to, making it today the most common connection that monitors support.. Microsoft currently sell an official Xbox 360 VGA HD AV cable. VGA is considered by many the weakest of the three, being an analogue signal and not digital, yet is also the most cost effective and can still pump out good quality images and keep up with response times.

 

Closing comments

I hope this general guide becomes useful and answers a lot of questions you may have about using a monitor with your PC. If there is a question not answered within the guide please feel free to ask and I will update it as and when necessary.
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   11-24-2008, 3:47 AM
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Not bad but wasn't there already a sticky?

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   11-24-2008, 4:11 AM
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 Unreal Warfare wrote:

Why use a monitor with my Xbox 360?

 

Monitors deliver fantastic gaming graphics at high resolutions, as advances in manufacturing have dramatically lowered response times to the gaming-friendly 8ms-or-less range, and at an affordable price. Also if you have a PC you may already have a good monitor to game with, so why buy an expensive HDTV to game on when your monitor can produce impressive enough graphics as a display device, and save you the cost of buying a HDTV? A lot of monitors now are also big enough to still allow you to sit down in a nice comfortable armchair rather than at your desk.


Most monitors are made with TN budget panels. These panels are able to dish out some really low response times but suffer a bit in the viewing angles, and color reproduction. I say if you have the cash invest in a HDTV instead. Other than that monitors are great. ( I game on one)


Edit - Nice guide though.


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   11-24-2008, 9:45 AM
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 Templar001 wrote:
Not bad but wasn't there already a sticky?


The sticky dealt with the Xbox as a priority, and had stuff for the Xbox 360 tacked on as what seems to have been an after thought, as its a guide thats up from the last forums.

I've seen so many people lately asking stuff about VGA cables and using monitors I felt it should have a guide in its own right.
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   11-24-2008, 9:47 AM
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 Scythe X10 wrote:
Most monitors are made with TN budget panels. These panels are able to dish out some really low response times but suffer a bit in the viewing angles, and color reproduction. I say if you have the cash invest in a HDTV instead. Other than that monitors are great. ( I game on one)


Edit - Nice guide though.



My Acer has an adustable viewing angle and pretty nice colour reproduction, so I guess it depends on which monitor you go with really. As with anything research into what you are buying helps alot here, something I will go into more detail here when I update the guide.
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   11-24-2008, 1:51 PM
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In this day and age, it's better to use HDMI/DVI than VGA on monitors due to low quality ADCs.

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   11-24-2008, 2:13 PM
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 Nielo TM wrote:
In this day and age, it's better to use HDMI/DVI than VGA on monitors due to low quality ADCs.


I'll be covering HDMI/DVI in a future planned guide update when I go over what features to look for in a gaming monitor. For this current part however I wanted to cover the VGA cable (as the guide states) as I've seen alot of people ask about it as there's relatively little information about using it.
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   11-24-2008, 2:29 PM
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   11-24-2008, 2:42 PM
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This is all fine and dandy but I'd rather just use my HDMI cable on my monitor and receive audio.
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   11-24-2008, 5:41 PM
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also note that using the 16:10 resolutions that the 360 outputs black bars on the top/bottom of the screen.
Good guide though.


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   11-24-2008, 6:14 PM
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 The SeaWulf wrote:
also note that using the 16:10 resolutions that the 360 outputs black bars on the top/bottom of the screen.
Good guide though.


Noted for future reference, thanks.
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   11-24-2008, 6:17 PM
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 sixfootsxc wrote:
This is all fine and dandy but I'd rather just use my HDMI cable on my monitor and receive audio.


As I said, I'll be covering HDMI in a further guide update that I have planned (hence the reserved space). For now I wanted to concentrate on the questions surrounding the use of the VGA cable that I see across alot of other boards as I'm sure there's plenty of info already concerning HDMI anyway. However as I said it is an intended update to be included later.
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   11-25-2008, 11:39 AM
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Woot! Sticky! Big Smile [:D]
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   11-25-2008, 11:41 AM
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it deserves to be sticked ^-^

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   11-25-2008, 11:43 AM
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Hehe, thankyou. Smile [:)]
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   11-25-2008, 6:43 PM
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Updated, if anyone finds any inaccuracies please let me know. I'll be adding a further update in the future regarding the system settings on the Xbox 360 dashboard.
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   11-25-2008, 6:52 PM
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I'll have a look and PM you any errors ^-^

But I'll be a while

BTW, you should mention the king of all CRTs, the Sony FW900



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   11-25-2008, 9:49 PM
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 sixfootsxc wrote:
This is all fine and dandy but I'd rather just use my HDMI cable on my monitor and receive audio.


Unless of course NXE has sodded up your soundAngry [:@]
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   11-25-2008, 9:55 PM
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 Unreal Warfare wrote:
 sixfootsxc wrote:
This is all fine and dandy but I'd rather just use my HDMI cable on my monitor and receive audio.


As I said, I'll be covering HDMI in a further guide update that I have planned (hence the reserved space). For now I wanted to concentrate on the questions surrounding the use of the VGA cable that I see across alot of other boards as I'm sure there's plenty of info already concerning HDMI anyway. However as I said it is an intended update to be included later.


Was making a light-hearted reference to the current HDMI issues with the new update :P
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   11-25-2008, 10:23 PM
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Have you reported it to MS or to Major Nelson?

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   11-26-2008, 4:52 PM
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Was making a light-hearted reference to the current HDMI issues with the new update :P



Where can I read more about that issue?
Because I have gotten a problem since the moment I downloaded the NXE update. I just bought my Xbox360.

this is my Xbox set up:

* Xbox 360 Elite (bought 2 weeks ago) connected with a HDMI cable to my
* 24" Gaming monitor BenQ G2400W ( http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/benq_g2400w/ ) and
* 2.1 Logitech Z3 speakers connected to my monitor through the earphone jack (on the side of the monitor)

Before the NXE update everything was working fine. Monitor on 1080p and 2.1 sound from Logitech Z3 speakers.

After I downloaded the NXE update I played NHL09 and had no sound. It was dead silence. Then I checked some other games and there was no sound at all. Not just the games but also when I'm at markedplace and sliding down the menu....complete silence.

Any thoughts on this? anybody?

I did make a call to the helpdesk and they said that there were more people with the same problem and that they're working on it.
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   11-26-2008, 9:38 PM
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Yet I still cannot play on my 24" 1920 x 1200 native resolution monitor without disgusting scaling issues. In three years this is still not possible :( I mean its nice to see xbox has finally supported 1680 x 1050 but us 24 incher's still have the EXACT same problem as we did before. Upscaled signal to 1920 x 1200 = awful artifacts.

1680 x 1050 with the black bars ends up being 1680 x 945
just like 1920 x 1200 with the black bars would end up being 1920 x 1080 which is standard 1080p

Did MS even think about this ? the reason for all the complaints in the first place is because people have monitors without a 1:1 scaling function on them, well we still don't have the 1:1 scaling function. And we still have to do disgusting aliasing inducing upscaling from a 1680 x 1050 signal.

It's ok even if they did acknowledge this fact it would probably take another 3 years for 1920 x 1200 to be implemented, by that time new consoles will be out or I'll get struck by the 3 red rings. [again]

epic fail is standard.



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   11-27-2008, 3:23 PM
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 Nielo TM wrote:
In this day and age, it's better to use HDMI/DVI than VGA on monitors due to low quality ADCs.


Oh for sure but with not everyone having an HDMI port VGA is definitly better than component.

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   11-28-2008, 6:20 PM
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 Templar001 wrote:
 Nielo TM wrote:
In this day and age, it's better to use HDMI/DVI than VGA on monitors due to low quality ADCs.


Oh for sure but with not everyone having an HDMI port VGA is definitly better than component.


Not everyone may have a Xbox 360 with HDMI either.
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   11-28-2008, 11:14 PM
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I was disappointed running my 360 on my monitor. I have a 22" Samsung SM2232BW, which is great for PC gaming (which I do plenty of). However, the 360 must be upscaling from something very low when I set to 1680 x 1050. Edges are horrible. Sure, things are more detailed on surfaces, but I cannot stand the edges. I've gone back to my SDTV and now have better overall images because I'm not blinded by jaggies.
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   12-01-2008, 2:06 PM
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OK. So how do I get audio to work with my iiyama ProLite monitor with just an HDMI cable after the NXE update?
It worked before.
None of the known 'workarounds' work for me.
Thanks in advance for the info.
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   12-01-2008, 2:18 PM
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 Orionioni wrote:
OK. So how do I get audio to work with my iiyama ProLite monitor with just an HDMI cable after the NXE update?
It worked before.
None of the known 'workarounds' work for me.
Thanks in advance for the info.


You're not the only person with this issue. It seems to be a NXE issue. If none of the workarounds have worked for you have you tried contacting Microsoft directly and asking them about the problem you're having?
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   12-01-2008, 2:28 PM
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 Unreal Warfare wrote:
 Orionioni wrote:
OK. So how do I get audio to work with my iiyama ProLite monitor with just an HDMI cable after the NXE update?
It worked before.
None of the known 'workarounds' work for me.
Thanks in advance for the info.


You're not the only person with this issue. It seems to be a NXE issue. If none of the workarounds have worked for you have you tried contacting Microsoft directly and asking them about the problem you're having?


Yes, I have.
They googled around for about 15 min and I got the same workarounds that I googled up in 5.
Then I was instructed to go and buy a new monitor/cables/other MS products. It reminded me of listening to my nephew's x-mas wish list, but 'the other way around'.
Then I was instructed to sit tight and wait for a patch that "should be coming".
As I'm not the one who broke my audio, I'm not paying for the fix. Luckily, I got the component cable to fit beside the HDMI cable, by cracking open the cable's casing. That probably voided my warranty, since that kind of thing would benefit MS.
I'm sorry for trolling and whining, but I get angry when someone breaks something of mine and expects me to pay for the damage.

What's the ETA on the NXE patch?
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   12-01-2008, 2:41 PM
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 Orionioni wrote:

What's the ETA on the NXE patch?


When it's ready I would imagine. I know it's not any help but that's pretty much all that will be gotten out of Microsoft until they're ready to announce the update officially.
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