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   11-28-2008, 1:39 AM
How to find a full 65nm Jasper console…
(Updated 12/16/2008)

How to find a Jasper console in stores:
Unfortunately there is no guaranteed way of finding a Jasper console at this point, even if all of the below information matches (or exceeds) a console in stores. Please keep this in mind while trying to find a Jasper console, and when you are posting in this thread.

The following information is from confirmed Jasper consoles. Your best bet is to try and match this exactly before you purchase a new 360, as newer consoles have been found and are Falcon, NOT Jasper. This information will be updated regularly, or you can look in the discussion below for the most up to date info.

Lot Number: 0842X
Team: FDOU/CSON
Manufacture Date: 10/14/2008
PSU Output: 175W
Console Power Rating: 12.1A

The lot number, team, manufacture date, as well as the power rating can be seen without opening the box. See “How to find Lot and Team info:” below. Finding a console with a later manf. date or higher lot number will increase your chances of getting a Jasper console. Lots higher than 0845 should guarantee you a Jasper.

Here is an image of a 150W PSU:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x127/MRCUR/Jasper/1127080411.jpg

Here is an image of the power rating on the console:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x127/MRCUR/Jasper/1127080409.jpg

Here is an image of the Xenon/Zephyr, Falcon/Opus, and Jasper power connectors:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x127/MRCUR/Jasper/XboxPower.jpg


What is a Jasper console?

Jasper is the latest revision of Xbox 360. Although the console does not physically look any different, the PSU (power supply) has changed, as well as the GPU die size. The PSU is now 150W (as apposed to 175W with Falcon) and the GPU is now 65nm. With this revision the 360 is now a full 65nm console, with both the CPU and GPU die size being 65nm.

Here is a comparison of power usage between all of the 360 revisions, including Jasper:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x127/MRCUR/Jasper/XBOX360PowerComparisonpptx.jpg

How to find Lot and Team info:
There is a white sticker on the side of the box with the lot # and team. In order to find the manufacturing date without opening the box, there is a flap on the side of the box that allows you to peek inside and see the manufacturing date on the console itself.

You can also see the console power rating through this opening, to the left of the serial barcode. If 12.1A is listed, then the console is a Jasper.

If you’ve found a Jasper console:
Please post the console information! If you have any pics of the box or console (especially the internals!), link to them! The more confirmed Jasper consoles people find, the better this guide will be for everyone.

If you have questions:
Read this guide in its entirety. A lot of questions can be answered just by reading everything over once more. If that doesn’t help, then post away! There are plenty of people around to help answer any question and make this guide the best that it can be.

Some thanks and notes:
First of all, thank you to everyone who spends a lot of time on these forums (Official Xbox.com) and all the other great forums where Jasper discussions have been happening. Congrats and thanks go to Scoldingice and Moddage at the Xbox-Scene forums for finding the first Jasper consoles. A special thanks to Moddage for posting some great pics that aren’t from Mr. Blurrycam. There are also tons of people around here who have put in a lot of time helping to find Falcon and Jasper consoles. Two people in particular, Mitsuho and JasperHunter (from Anand), who have put in tons of time into helping people find the first Jasper consoles. I'd also like to thank Whizard72 for his continued support and contribution to this thread, as well as Fusker for all of his fantastic info. And of course, tons of thanks to Forum Moderator Boid for helping me manage my Falcon thread (and I’m sure this thread)!

I will attempt to have this guide updated as soon as more info is gathered, but I cannot promise that it will happen right away.

This guide written by MRCUR. Last updated: 12/16/2008

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   11-28-2008, 1:49 AM
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Thanks, MRCUR

I'll look around the next time I'm out shopping.

Are the power supply watts still listed on the white tag also?
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   11-28-2008, 1:56 AM
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I'm now on the hunt.  GREAT POST!!!

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   11-28-2008, 1:57 AM
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Thank you both! I'm going to (hopefully) have the thread stickied so it'll always be easy to find.

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   11-28-2008, 3:05 AM
Re: How to find a full 65nm Jasper console…
i will ask here again...

o im thinking, would it be possible to check if we have a jasper.. but with the older falcon power supply, just by going into system mem.. ?
if we have 256mb of ram... available... on flash.. will it say in there?
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   11-28-2008, 3:20 AM
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 o HAN SOLO o wrote:
i will ask here again...

o im thinking, would it be possible to check if we have a jasper.. but with the older falcon power supply, just by going into system mem.. ?
if we have 256mb of ram... available... on flash.. will it say in there?
Yes, that should work. Until someone confirms they have a Jasper with a 175W PSU, I'm not going to edit the guide. Once this is confirmed, as I'm sure it will be, I'll add a new section.

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   11-28-2008, 3:20 AM
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Didn't someone say they found one at GameStop?
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   11-28-2008, 3:25 AM
Re: How to find a full 65nm Jasper console…
Well it remains to be seen whether Pros and Elites will have 256mb of flash internally, but yes, you'll be able to see that by going into the memory section under system settings.

But if you have 175w on the box and 175w in the box, then you'll still be able to tell by the 12.1a(mp) rating on the power label (above the power connector) on the console itself. Lot#s 843 and above, mfg date 10-23-2008 or above should all be Jaspers.

 o HAN SOLO o wrote:
will ask here again...

o im thinking, would it be possible to check if we have a jasper.. but with the older falcon power supply, just by going into system mem.. ?
if we have 256mb of ram... available... on flash.. will it say in there?

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   11-28-2008, 3:25 AM
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 F34RFoO wrote:
Didn't someone say they found one at GameStop?
There are currently three confirmed Jasper consoles. Two of which were found at the same Wal-Mart, the third I'm not sure. But all three do share the same lot number (0843X) and manf. date (10/23/08).

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   11-28-2008, 4:03 AM
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Arcade consoles now coming with 256MB Internal memory cards instead of detachable storage. Kind of a bummer actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwFMRD8X2k8
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   11-28-2008, 4:06 AM
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 BrokeBrain wrote:
Are the power supply watts still listed on the white tag also?
Unfortunately not, at least in the US. MS took this info off a while ago, probably to keep people from not purchasing a specific console because the rating wasn't what they wanted. Of course it'd be very helpful to see with Jasper, but I doubt MS is really into making this easy...


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   11-28-2008, 4:12 AM
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 Whizard72 wrote:
Arcade consoles now coming with 256MB Internal memory cards instead of detachable storage. Kind of a bummer actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwFMRD8X2k8
This makes me wonder what MS is going to do with the Elite and Pro consoles. I doubt they would put the MU in them since they come with HD's and don't need to have two storage locations all the time. I wonder if NXE could possibly disable access to the internal MU when a HD is plugged in, depending on the console model...

Of course the people who put that video up says it's a Falcon console...

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   11-28-2008, 4:24 AM
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On the built-in MU, that could be but why not market it as an additional bonus feature of some sort if that's the case? I doubt it'll be there on Pro and Elite Jaspers tho.

The people who put that video up might have simply assumed it was a Falcon because with the checks we had at the time, that console would check out as a Falcon especially if it had a leftover 175w supply shipped with it.


 MRCUR wrote:

This makes me wonder what MS is going to do with the Elite and Pro consoles. I doubt they would put the MU in them since they come with HD's and don't need to have two storage locations all the time. I wonder if NXE could possibly disable access to the internal MU when a HD is plugged in, depending on the console model...

Of course the people who put that video up says it's a Falcon console...

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   11-28-2008, 5:14 AM
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 Whizard72 wrote:
On the built-in MU, that could be but why not market it as an additional bonus feature of some sort if that's the case? I doubt it'll be there on Pro and Elite Jaspers tho.

The people who put that video up might have simply assumed it was a Falcon because with the checks we had at the time, that console would check out as a Falcon especially if it had a leftover 175w supply shipped with it.
True, that could be an additional bonus, but I doubt they'll market it at all. It'll cost MS more money to have separate production lines going with one for Arcades and then the other for Pro/Elite consoles. I have a feeling we'll see the built-in MU on every Jasper console, no matter if it's an Arcade, Pro, or Elite.

I suppose that's what they could've assumed. Although I'm leaning towards thinking the console is actually Jasper and they don't realize it, it's certainly possible it's a Jasper that shipped with a 175W PSU.

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   11-28-2008, 5:18 AM
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Definitely.

 MRCUR wrote:

True, that could be an additional bonus, but I doubt they'll market it at all. It'll cost MS more money to have separate production lines going with one for Arcades and then the other for Pro/Elite consoles. I have a feeling we'll see the built-in MU on every Jasper console, no matter if it's an Arcade, Pro, or Elite.

I suppose that's what they could've assumed. Although I'm leaning towards thinking the console is actually Jasper and they don't realize it, it's certainly possible it's a Jasper that shipped with a 175W PSU.

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   11-28-2008, 7:35 AM
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Thanks for the credit man..

I see you could benefit from some good shots of the power connector/plug..

so i took some..

take a look

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=668104&view=findpost&p=4384430
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   11-28-2008, 1:32 PM
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@Moddage

Thanks for the fantastic pics (all of them)! Once the thread gets stickied, then I'll edit it to add your new pics.

I sent you a PM...

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   11-28-2008, 2:30 PM
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This is kind of interesting information!

First Falcon found by JWSpeed, Titusville, PA.

First Jasper found by Moddage, Erie, PA.

Nice pictures! Thanks!
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   11-28-2008, 2:36 PM
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What do I do....I just got a 0842X, FDOU, box says Memory "256 MB"......open it or wait and return rebuy?
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   11-28-2008, 3:05 PM
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 F34RFoO wrote:
What do I do....I just got a 0842X, FDOU, box says Memory "256 MB"......open it or wait and return rebuy?
Just open it up and see. I'm sure you could always exchange it for a different one, even if it's open. I'm not exactly sure the boxes say different things yet, but they possibly do.

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   11-28-2008, 3:06 PM
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 JWSpeed wrote:
This is kind of interesting information!

First Falcon found by JWSpeed, Titusville, PA.

First Jasper found by Moddage, Erie, PA.

Nice pictures! Thanks!
Wow, that is interesting. I didn't even realize you were in PA JWSpeed. Now if only the Lancaster area could get some new 360 action...

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   11-28-2008, 3:34 PM
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Ok I opened it up

Lot: 0842X
Manf Date: 10-16-2008

Has a 175W PS and seperate 256 MU.

It is a falcon , not a jasper, look for late manf dates.
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   11-28-2008, 4:14 PM
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As the guide says and as the label on the motherboard states, Lot 843x is the first production week for Jaspers. NOTHING earlier will be Jasper.

 F34RFoO wrote:
Ok I opened it up

Lot: 0842X
Manf Date: 10-16-2008

Has a 175W PS and seperate 256 MU.

It is a falcon , not a jasper, look for late manf dates.

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   11-28-2008, 4:59 PM
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 Whizard72 wrote:
As the guide says and as the label on the motherboard states, Lot 843x is the first production week for Jaspers. NOTHING earlier will be Jasper.

 F34RFoO wrote:
Ok I opened it up

Lot: 0842X
Manf Date: 10-16-2008

Has a 175W PS and seperate 256 MU.

It is a falcon , not a jasper, look for late manf dates.

That's a good point, which I didn't think of. I'll put that in the guide since we have the picture proof now.

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   11-28-2008, 5:03 PM
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 MRCUR wrote:
 Whizard72 wrote:
As the guide says and as the label on the motherboard states, Lot 843x is the first production week for Jaspers. NOTHING earlier will be Jasper.

 F34RFoO wrote:
Ok I opened it up

Lot: 0842X
Manf Date: 10-16-2008

Has a 175W PS and seperate 256 MU.

It is a falcon , not a jasper, look for late manf dates.

That's a good point, which I didn't think of. I'll put that in the guide since we have the picture proof now.

Returned it, got another one, cracked another one open

Manf Date: 10-22-08
Lot No: 0843X
Team: FDOU

PS: 175W, 12v 14.2a (Console says the same above power connector)


Came with a 256 external memory unit

Doesn't appear to be a jasper since its suppose to be 150W, 12v 12.1a

I would say look for nothing less than 10-23-08 or your wasting your time
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   11-28-2008, 5:32 PM
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I agree, not all Lot 843s will be Jaspers due to the transition so MRCUR you might want to post that ALL of the criteria must be true to have a Jasper: 10-23-2008 or later, Lot 843x or later, 12v 12.1a.

Latest Falcon consoles 14.2amps? Mine's 16.5amps from 10-20-2007. Interesting, that must be the one with the 4 Ram chips instead of 8.

I wish they would have kept 4 Ram chips on top and not gone back to 4 on the bottom but whatever.


 F34RFoO wrote:

Returned it, got another one, cracked another one open

Manf Date: 10-22-08
Lot No: 0843X
Team: FDOU

PS: 175W, 12v 14.2a (Console says the same above power connector)


Came with a 256 external memory unit

Doesn't appear to be a jasper since its suppose to be 150W, 12v 12.1a

I would say look for nothing less than 10-23-08 or your wasting your time

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   11-28-2008, 7:16 PM
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   11-28-2008, 8:33 PM
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Pics of the new Jasper...  http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668104&st=0
http://www.twwclan.com/ We're sort of a clan...
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   11-28-2008, 8:45 PM
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   11-28-2008, 11:16 PM
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I'm curious about the change from RevC Falcon to RevA Jasper, the latest Falcons had 4 ram chips on top of the motherboard where the Jasper has 8 with 4 on the bottom. Wonder why they went back to 8 instead of 4? One would think that would have to do with cost per quantity for the lower density chips. Perhaps there also was a revision done to the chips so that they generate less heat.

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