Re: No more Duke Nukem?

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No more Duke Nukem?


VastShadowz41 05-07-2009, 4:50 AM
Link

So 3D Realms has been closed down, and as of yet, no one knows what will become of Duke Nukem Forever. Apparently Duke Nukem Trilogy is still on schedule, and we all know that this game had the best trailer ever.

Yeah...so do we still always bet on the Duke? I feel I should purchase Duke Nukem 3D as a tribute to the franchise.
I think that guy was on acid or flintstones vitamins.

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aspa360 05-07-2009, 5:41 AM
God no! :/
The Dreamcast never failed us, we failed the Dreamcast.

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Redpaw 360 05-07-2009, 5:45 AM


Saddest.Day.Ever




Nobody likes a waving nutjob on a street corner in real life, why would you think my avatar should act like that?

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aspa360 05-07-2009, 6:07 AM
 Redpaw 360 wrote:


Saddest.Day.Ever



Jup. I'm waiting for Joe to give us an official statement about what happened. Repetitive shooters, here we come! :( /edit forums at 3d realms are all locked. ***.
The Dreamcast never failed us, we failed the Dreamcast.

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VastShadowz41 05-07-2009, 6:41 AM
DNF would be a great documentary.

...Because we really deserve to know W T F has been going on over there for the past 12 YEARS.

I think that guy was on acid or flintstones vitamins.

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Redpaw 360 05-08-2009, 6:03 AM
I knew a long time ago that Duke Nukem would never come out, and for this reason:
Politically Incorrect towards just about everything.....



Think about the movie Blazing Saddles which was for its time a very hilarious western type movie, that offended every person imaginable......Now, who could ever think they could remake a movie like that without a world uproar.



DNF will never happen, Free Speech and Ideals are dead.



Long Live Duke Nukem, may he forever SH!T down their necks.




Nobody likes a waving nutjob on a street corner in real life, why would you think my avatar should act like that?

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jagguar20 05-08-2009, 9:38 PM

We will follow the Duke wherever it shall lead.

Re: No more Duke Nukem?


cq90stang 05-09-2009, 4:16 AM
I find it odd that First they had to know it was coming. and second why they didn't try to sell out to another company. 3D Realms/Apogee always made some pretty cool games. I still like all of the old first person shooters they came out with Wolfenstein 3D/Spear of Destiny, Duke Nukem (all the various ones/most are on pc). DUKE NUKEM FOREVER was looking to be the FLAGSHIP of where games might should be....and then this happens....my day has sucked after finding this out. I guess it is back to the vintage days, or back to the same repetitive shooters...call of duty, rainbow six vegas, etc, where everything is the same....shoot throw, a grenade....etc. I'm gonna leave the post saying "It's time to KICK A** and Chew bubble gum. And I'm All out of gum" (And If you need to ask then I feel sorry for you as you have never played some of the greatest games)

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M8DMAN 05-09-2009, 6:54 AM
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.
Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!

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Drifballoonreal 05-10-2009, 6:11 AM
If he's gone forever, Good night sweet prince

If he's gone for now, Hail to the king, baby! He'll be back eventually!

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Aftermath1349 05-10-2009, 7:13 AM
I was sad about it at first but as someone else stated they haven't done a d a m n thing in 10 years except Prey (which was average at best). As much as I'd love to see Duke Nukem Forever actually happen I wouldn't want another company doing it though. Every Duke game not made by 3d Realms was terrible.
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M8DMAN 05-10-2009, 8:57 AM
 Aftermath1349 wrote:
I was sad about it at first but as someone else stated they haven't done a d a m n thing in 10 years except Prey (which was average at best). As much as I'd love to see Duke Nukem Forever actually happen I wouldn't want another company doing it though. Every Duke game not made by 3d Realms was terrible.
They didn't even do Prey they got some other company to finish it.
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Aftermath1349 05-11-2009, 3:49 PM
 M8DMAN wrote:
 Aftermath1349 wrote:
I was sad about it at first but as someone else stated they haven't done a d a m n thing in 10 years except Prey (which was average at best). As much as I'd love to see Duke Nukem Forever actually happen I wouldn't want another company doing it though. Every Duke game not made by 3d Realms was terrible.
They didn't even do Prey they got some other company to finish it.
And thats why I didn't say that they developed it. It's still a 3D Realms game though.
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cq90stang 05-13-2009, 7:49 AM
 M8DMAN wrote:
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.




I'm pretty sure 3-D Realms (or Apogee) owns the rights to DUKE NUKEM and Take TWO was the PUBLISHER.  If not then I guess myself and shacknews is wrong.  Either way you should think before you speak.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58580

Re: No more Duke Nukem?


M8DMAN 05-13-2009, 10:22 AM
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.




I'm pretty sure 3-D Realms (or Apogee) owns the rights to DUKE NUKEM and Take TWO was the PUBLISHER.  If not then I guess myself and shacknews is wrong.  Either way you should think before you speak.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58580
True Take Two owns the rights to publish  Duke Nukem forever but Take Two also helped fund the project.    

3D realms has been on life support for 12 years and since they haven't really done much but release a few screen shots and a lame a$$ trailer for DNF, Take Two cut there funding effectively cutting of there life support.
Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!

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cq90stang 05-14-2009, 9:04 AM
 M8DMAN wrote:
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.




I'm pretty sure 3-D Realms (or Apogee) owns the rights to DUKE NUKEM and Take TWO was the PUBLISHER.  If not then I guess myself and shacknews is wrong.  Either way you should think before you speak.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58580
True Take Two owns the rights to publish  Duke Nukem forever but Take Two also helped fund the project.    

3D realms has been on life support for 12 years and since they haven't really done much but release a few screen shots and a lame a$$ trailer for DNF, Take Two cut there funding effectively cutting of there life support.



M8DMAN do you get paid before you complete work?  I mean I have been working for like a very long time and on rare occassions does anyone get paid in advance for work that will be completed.  I can get an advance on my paycheck.....oh, but wait then again they hold a week or more worth of pay at one job so that kind of is a security blanket....meaning that since they hold a weeks worth of pay, they are not really putting up any money or funding.  As for 3D Realms and take two, publishers rarely put money up for a developer to make a game.  Why don't you ask Alan Lewis (this would be take twos VP of corporate of communications and public affairs)  Here is the link

http://games.on.net/article/5831/3D_Realms_Closes_Duke_Nukem_disappears_forever

Alan Lewis:  "It is the Company's policy to not comment on its contractual relationships, nor do we comment on rumors and speculation. That said, we can confirm that our relationship with 3D Realms for Duke Nukem Forever was a publishing arrangement, which did not include ongoing funds for development of the title. In addition, Take-Two continues to retain the publishing rights to Duke Nukem Forever." (this was taken from the above link word for word)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, think before you speak.  People want to criticize games because they are lacking this or lacking that.  Obviously you have never played a Duke Nukem game, because if you had you would have appreciated the fact that it was a "COMPLETE" game.  It wasn't none of this developers rushing out and just dropping something out just so it sells...think every NEED for Speed after Need for Speed:Most Wanted.  We complain when we feel we have been jipped (or ripped off) when we buy a game and it lacks.  Then people want to complain when it takes TOO LONG for a game to come out.  I would rather the GAME take LONGER to come out and have the bugs worked out and be a COMPLETE game that I ENJOY, rather than a RUSH job that got it to a store shelf to SELL.

I'll admit 12 years is a long time for development, at the same time you have to keep in mind that As far as Duke Nukem goes, that is their bread and butter, their cash crop (Duke Nukem meant so much to them that is why they had their floor done with the Duke Nukem Symbol).  3d Realms only wanted the best for their character and their fellow fans and gamers.  3D REALMS was doing what they did best...They were only going to bring out the biggest, baddest, most wise-crackin shooter of all times out, it was a game that was going to be so revolutionary that it would again set standards WHERE GAMES SHOULD BE AT.  Also at the same time as technology became better they had to start over from scratch so it did not appear "outdated".

I'll ask again, please think before you speak, or atleast do the research so you can atleast act like you know what you are talking about.  Just for the record it is hard to cut funding when none has been provided.

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M8DMAN 05-14-2009, 4:28 PM
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.




I'm pretty sure 3-D Realms (or Apogee) owns the rights to DUKE NUKEM and Take TWO was the PUBLISHER.  If not then I guess myself and shacknews is wrong.  Either way you should think before you speak.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58580
True Take Two owns the rights to publish  Duke Nukem forever but Take Two also helped fund the project.    

3D realms has been on life support for 12 years and since they haven't really done much but release a few screen shots and a lame a$$ trailer for DNF, Take Two cut there funding effectively cutting of there life support.



M8DMAN do you get paid before you complete work?  I mean I have been working for like a very long time and on rare occassions does anyone get paid in advance for work that will be completed.  I can get an advance on my paycheck.....oh, but wait then again they hold a week or more worth of pay at one job so that kind of is a security blanket....meaning that since they hold a weeks worth of pay, they are not really putting up any money or funding.  As for 3D Realms and take two, publishers rarely put money up for a developer to make a game.  Why don't you ask Alan Lewis (this would be take twos VP of corporate of communications and public affairs)  Here is the link

http://games.on.net/article/5831/3D_Realms_Closes_Duke_Nukem_disappears_forever

Alan Lewis:  "It is the Company's policy to not comment on its contractual relationships, nor do we comment on rumors and speculation. That said, we can confirm that our relationship with 3D Realms for Duke Nukem Forever was a publishing arrangement, which did not include ongoing funds for development of the title. In addition, Take-Two continues to retain the publishing rights to Duke Nukem Forever." (this was taken from the above link word for word)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, think before you speak.  People want to criticize games because they are lacking this or lacking that.  Obviously you have never played a Duke Nukem game, because if you had you would have appreciated the fact that it was a "COMPLETE" game.  It wasn't none of this developers rushing out and just dropping something out just so it sells...think every NEED for Speed after Need for Speed:Most Wanted.  We complain when we feel we have been jipped (or ripped off) when we buy a game and it lacks.  Then people want to complain when it takes TOO LONG for a game to come out.  I would rather the GAME take LONGER to come out and have the bugs worked out and be a COMPLETE game that I ENJOY, rather than a RUSH job that got it to a store shelf to SELL.

I'll admit 12 years is a long time for development, at the same time you have to keep in mind that As far as Duke Nukem goes, that is their bread and butter, their cash crop (Duke Nukem meant so much to them that is why they had their floor done with the Duke Nukem Symbol).  3d Realms only wanted the best for their character and their fellow fans and gamers.  3D REALMS was doing what they did best...They were only going to bring out the biggest, baddest, most wise-crackin shooter of all times out, it was a game that was going to be so revolutionary that it would again set standards WHERE GAMES SHOULD BE AT.  Also at the same time as technology became better they had to start over from scratch so it did not appear "outdated".

I'll ask again, please think before you speak, or atleast do the research so you can atleast act like you know what you are talking about.  Just for the record it is hard to cut funding when none has been provided.
Man sure is fanboy in here.  Quit attacking me fanboy.




Also Duke Nukem was one of the first 3D games besides Doom that i played.  To me Duke Nukem 3D was one of the best games ever  made but after all the *** 3D realms pulled i stopped supporting the series.
Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good!

Re: No more Duke Nukem?


jagguar20 05-14-2009, 6:51 PM
He's not even attacking you but whatever, there will always be Duke fans and Duke haters.

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M8DMAN 05-14-2009, 11:46 PM
I'm a duke fan i just hate 3d realms..
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cq90stang 05-15-2009, 5:47 AM
 M8DMAN wrote:
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
 cq90stang wrote:
 M8DMAN wrote:
I'm sorta glad they closed down 3D realms and kicked George Broussard to the curb because that company hasn't done *** since 1996.    Hopefully Take two will let another company finish Duke Nukem forever.




I'm pretty sure 3-D Realms (or Apogee) owns the rights to DUKE NUKEM and Take TWO was the PUBLISHER.  If not then I guess myself and shacknews is wrong.  Either way you should think before you speak.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58580
True Take Two owns the rights to publish  Duke Nukem forever but Take Two also helped fund the project.    

3D realms has been on life support for 12 years and since they haven't really done much but release a few screen shots and a lame a$$ trailer for DNF, Take Two cut there funding effectively cutting of there life support.



M8DMAN do you get paid before you complete work?  I mean I have been working for like a very long time and on rare occassions does anyone get paid in advance for work that will be completed.  I can get an advance on my paycheck.....oh, but wait then again they hold a week or more worth of pay at one job so that kind of is a security blanket....meaning that since they hold a weeks worth of pay, they are not really putting up any money or funding.  As for 3D Realms and take two, publishers rarely put money up for a developer to make a game.  Why don't you ask Alan Lewis (this would be take twos VP of corporate of communications and public affairs)  Here is the link

http://games.on.net/article/5831/3D_Realms_Closes_Duke_Nukem_disappears_forever

Alan Lewis:  "It is the Company's policy to not comment on its contractual relationships, nor do we comment on rumors and speculation. That said, we can confirm that our relationship with 3D Realms for Duke Nukem Forever was a publishing arrangement, which did not include ongoing funds for development of the title. In addition, Take-Two continues to retain the publishing rights to Duke Nukem Forever." (this was taken from the above link word for word)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, think before you speak.  People want to criticize games because they are lacking this or lacking that.  Obviously you have never played a Duke Nukem game, because if you had you would have appreciated the fact that it was a "COMPLETE" game.  It wasn't none of this developers rushing out and just dropping something out just so it sells...think every NEED for Speed after Need for Speed:Most Wanted.  We complain when we feel we have been jipped (or ripped off) when we buy a game and it lacks.  Then people want to complain when it takes TOO LONG for a game to come out.  I would rather the GAME take LONGER to come out and have the bugs worked out and be a COMPLETE game that I ENJOY, rather than a RUSH job that got it to a store shelf to SELL.

I'll admit 12 years is a long time for development, at the same time you have to keep in mind that As far as Duke Nukem goes, that is their bread and butter, their cash crop (Duke Nukem meant so much to them that is why they had their floor done with the Duke Nukem Symbol).  3d Realms only wanted the best for their character and their fellow fans and gamers.  3D REALMS was doing what they did best...They were only going to bring out the biggest, baddest, most wise-crackin shooter of all times out, it was a game that was going to be so revolutionary that it would again set standards WHERE GAMES SHOULD BE AT.  Also at the same time as technology became better they had to start over from scratch so it did not appear "outdated".

I'll ask again, please think before you speak, or atleast do the research so you can atleast act like you know what you are talking about.  Just for the record it is hard to cut funding when none has been provided.
Man sure is fanboy in here.  Quit attacking me fanboy.




Also Duke Nukem was one of the first 3D games besides Doom that i played.  To me Duke Nukem 3D was one of the best games ever  made but after all the *** 3D realms pulled i stopped supporting the series.



I'm not attacking you.  I was just pointing out that 1-Take two only owns rights to publish/3d realms owns right to Duke Nukem Name and 2--Take Two Did not FUND the development of Duke Nukem forever.

The only thing I am pointing out is that (since you have played the original Duke nukem)is this:

1) Duke Nukem 3D (Total Meltdown) was 3 chapters (28 levels)
2) The Plutonium Pak (aka Atomic edition) added a 4th chapter (another 11 maps)
3) Duke! Zone added 500 levels on top of that
4) Duke Zone 2
5) Various other levels were created including Duke it out in DC (has Bill Clinton in it...lol)

here is the link      http://www.answers.com/topic/duke-nukem-3d

All I am really getting at here is that games like Oblivian, Gears of war, Gears of War 2, and Fallout.  Are all great games.  They have their own little niche.  Every game listed has been a break thru and has added significantly to the next gen experience of gaming.  Most of these titles lack one common thing.....ADD ONS.  Sure you can get the shivering isles (oblivion), Map Packs (Gears of war and GOW2), and the addon areas for Fallout 3( i can't say much about these map add ons, because to be honest I haven't downloaded or played them).  Most of these packs include one area (or one giant level--as in shivering isles) or six or seven Multiplayer maps to a map pack (as in the case of GOW & GOW2).  The one that comes closest is HALO 3 (I have neither played or downloaded this game or any map packs, but I know there are quite a few map packs available) and this (to my knowledge has not got an expansion pack with 500 levels released (as was the case with DUKE! ZONE--500 levels).

I'm just saying like it or not Duke Nukem 3D still sets a standard as far as how developers should release an actual upgrade/expansion/map pack to a video game.  For instance Gears of war 2 "combustible map pack" has three add on maps for 800 microsoft points ($10) or $3.33(rounded) per map.  Where as the first expansion for Duke nukem was DUKE! ZONE (500 maps) for $29.95-$39.95 or (even going with the 39.95 higher price tag) equaled $0.08/per map.  And yes Duke! ZONE was created by fans of Duke Nukem, but it was also an Authorized Edition (Meaning 3d Realms was gamer friendly---let their source code out).  While these map packs for Duke Nukem were only for PC, I'm just saying I would much rather pay 40 bucks (3200 microsoft points) for 500 levels, rather than 10 bucks (800 microsoft points) for 3 levels.

Basically I think the standard of video gaming in a lot of cases has increased visually or graphics wise, but decreased in the content.  I'm just sick of a game that can be beat in six hours, no support (as in new downloadable content/limited expansion), and the fact that most developers (even ones with known games/series) are straying from their roots.  Like it or not Duke nukem without 3D Realms would be like Mickey Mouse without Disney...it would just be unamerican.

Re: No more Duke Nukem?


GreenDevilJF 05-16-2009, 5:43 PM
So after 12 years of development it just ends with them shutting down and then getting sued.

       Nice.

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CameronTownsend 05-19-2009, 5:37 AM
It does seem to me from the consumer's perspective that the horse left the barn a long time ago but only now are the chickens coming home to roost. Whisper [:-*]
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Aftermath1349 05-19-2009, 8:41 AM
3D Realms announced today that they are still open though they have no dev team due to lack of funds. So maybe when this lawsuit with Take 2 is over we may see the game. It'll most likely be completely dated by then but hey at least it will be out...
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M8DMAN 05-20-2009, 6:09 AM
 CameronTownsend wrote:
It does seem to me from the consumer's perspective that the horse left the barn a long time ago but only now are the chickens coming home to roost.
LOL exactly..
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M8DMAN 05-20-2009, 6:14 AM
 Aftermath1349 wrote:
3D Realms announced today that they are still open though they have no dev team due to lack of funds. So maybe when this lawsuit with Take 2 is over we may see the game. It'll most likely be completely dated by then but hey at least it will be out...
Theres no way 3D realms  will be able to finish Duke Nukem forever now without Take 2's  help i mean Jesus that said they needed 2 million dollars just to finish the game.  The only chance we will see Duke Nukem forever is if 3D realms lets another company develop the game kinda like what they did with prey.
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Re: No more Duke Nukem?


Aftermath1349 05-22-2009, 6:21 AM
 M8DMAN wrote:
 Aftermath1349 wrote:
3D Realms announced today that they are still open though they have no dev team due to lack of funds. So maybe when this lawsuit with Take 2 is over we may see the game. It'll most likely be completely dated by then but hey at least it will be out...
Theres no way 3D realms  will be able to finish Duke Nukem forever now without Take 2's  help i mean Jesus that said they needed 2 million dollars just to finish the game.  The only chance we will see Duke Nukem forever is if 3D realms lets another company develop the game kinda like what they did with prey.
They needed 5 mil and I don't see why they couldn't finish it without Take 2. T2 didn't put a single dollar into the development of the game, 3D Realms are an independent studio and receive funding the same way independent filmmakers do; by going to investors and asking for money. Investors are usually dentists, doctors, business owners etc. Not studio's like T2. Your acting like 2 mil is alot but you have to remember that that doesn't just go into the game. It covers everything from paying the team to the cost of the rent on their building/electricity/water to little things like stocking vending machines. That 5 mil would have maybe covered 4-6 months of development which is all they needed. The plot synopsis that was leaked also stated how much of the game was completed and it was very close to done. 3DR has said that they are seeking a partner to develop the rest of the game but I doubt they'll find it considering the mess they're in with T2. No one wants to come in on that drama plus who would want to help develop DNF knowing that it's taken 12 years already and that it has a lot to do with the way that 3DR manage their games. They wouldn't want to be hindered by people at 3DR breathing down their neck telling them to re-do what they just worked their a**es of on which is what happened at 3DR and caused all the delays. There's no such thing as perfection... but 3DR don't want to believe that.
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