I'm not going to write much about it, seeing as it is late and I'm tired, but let's face it.

Every single time a Sonic "fan" plays a game, they *** about it. In Sonic Heroes they missed the uniqueness of having 3 types of people to play from Sonic Adventure games. So, being as nice as they could, Sega does that with Sonic 06 in a rush project because Sonic "fans" complained about how if Sonic is fast, how come the games aren't made fast enough.

Then, Shadow the Hedgehog. Did you guys know that the reason Shadow the Hedgehog was made was because fans had written Sonic Team about how Sonic should have a sword or gun. Sega got these whilst in creation of Sonic Adventure 2, and since they couldn't see Sonic with a gun, they had set planned game, Shadow the Hedgehog, to have guns due to the immense emails pouring in about needing weapons. They would use the swords later for Sonic and The Black Knight. Majority of fans didn't complain about the actual issues with the games, no, they preffered complaining about how gimmicky Sonic became. When they ASKED for it.

So with the failure of Sonic 06 (moving on) people wanted the roots further thickened into the next Sonic game. They wanted the speed of sonic old, and of Sonic Adventure, and virtually wanted a sort of remake for Sonic Adventure. In fact, I heard (not certain) that it wasn't originally s'posed to be a werehog. I heard they planned for Knuckles to be there, but quickly after obtaining several emails about how Knuckles needed a break and couldn't fit into the franchise, he was ixnayed. Now Sega had a issue, how to deliver speed with the original exploration of knuckle stages and brawling and the sorta of range attacks of Tails and Eggman. Wait! Werehog. People were too blind to see that the werehog wasn't necessarily werehog. It was a remake for Knuckles and Tails gameplay (Rouge and Eggman) from Sonic Adventure 2! You got the platforming from knuckles, and the brawl-esque kind of thing, and the item search as well. The kind of places you went from Tails.

Now onward to "gimmicky" Sonic. What happens when Mario and pals make a party? WOO! MARIO RULEZ! What happens when Sonic and pals shuffle? GIMMICKY! What happens when Mario and pals brawl? WOO! What happens when Sonic is put in the mix? TOO DESPERATE GIMMICK! What happens when Mario plays tennis? YAY! Sonic and cohorts from different worlds? GIMMICK! Mario Kart? AWESOME YEH! Sonic and cohorts racing? GIMMICK. <----That is a prime example of a lot of fans of Sonic now. I find it quite pathetic. You all expect perfection, when in all, you should only be expecting something new, which Sega ALWAYS delivers, and a laugh or two, and seeing your once childhood world, come to life. Stop focusing on everything negative, get a positive, and shut up :3

I totally agree with you.

I love all the sonic games.  of course im not going to like some as much but i still like them because im a fan from way back when i was 4.

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I agree, as even I'm complaining, it IS true. But the problem lies with people is that they want fast and fun Gameplay, and what I'm seeing in this Sonic is different. Much much different, and if people think if it's a Sonic game, easy Achievement will come, which is their thinking.

 xCosmicxGlitchx wrote:

I'm not going to write much about it, seeing as it is late and I'm tired, but let's face it.

Every single time a Sonic "fan" plays a game, they *** about it. In Sonic Heroes they missed the uniqueness of having 3 types of people to play from Sonic Adventure games. So, being as nice as they could, Sega does that with Sonic 06 in a rush project because Sonic "fans" complained about how if Sonic is fast, how come the games aren't made fast enough.

Then, Shadow the Hedgehog. Did you guys know that the reason Shadow the Hedgehog was made was because fans had written Sonic Team about how Sonic should have a sword or gun. Sega got these whilst in creation of Sonic Adventure 2, and since they couldn't see Sonic with a gun, they had set planned game, Shadow the Hedgehog, to have guns due to the immense emails pouring in about needing weapons. They would use the swords later for Sonic and The Black Knight. Majority of fans didn't complain about the actual issues with the games, no, they preffered complaining about how gimmicky Sonic became. When they ASKED for it.

So with the failure of Sonic 06 (moving on) people wanted the roots further thickened into the next Sonic game. They wanted the speed of sonic old, and of Sonic Adventure, and virtually wanted a sort of remake for Sonic Adventure. In fact, I heard (not certain) that it wasn't originally s'posed to be a werehog. I heard they planned for Knuckles to be there, but quickly after obtaining several emails about how Knuckles needed a break and couldn't fit into the franchise, he was ixnayed. Now Sega had a issue, how to deliver speed with the original exploration of knuckle stages and brawling and the sorta of range attacks of Tails and Eggman. Wait! Werehog. People were too blind to see that the werehog wasn't necessarily werehog. It was a remake for Knuckles and Tails gameplay (Rouge and Eggman) from Sonic Adventure 2! You got the platforming from knuckles, and the brawl-esque kind of thing, and the item search as well. The kind of places you went from Tails.

Now onward to "gimmicky" Sonic. What happens when Mario and pals make a party? WOO! MARIO RULEZ! What happens when Sonic and pals shuffle? GIMMICKY! What happens when Mario and pals brawl? WOO! What happens when Sonic is put in the mix? TOO DESPERATE GIMMICK! What happens when Mario plays tennis? YAY! Sonic and cohorts from different worlds? GIMMICK! Mario Kart? AWESOME YEH! Sonic and cohorts racing? GIMMICK. <----That is a prime example of a lot of fans of Sonic now. I find it quite pathetic. You all expect perfection, when in all, you should only be expecting something new, which Sega ALWAYS delivers, and a laugh or two, and seeing your once childhood world, come to life. Stop focusing on everything negative, get a positive, and shut up :3

This. A million times this.

You win 9001 internets from me.

 xCosmicxGlitchx wrote:

Now onward to "gimmicky" Sonic. What happens when Mario and pals make a party? WOO! MARIO RULEZ! What happens when Sonic and pals shuffle? GIMMICKY! What happens when Mario and pals brawl? WOO! What happens when Sonic is put in the mix? TOO DESPERATE GIMMICK! What happens when Mario plays tennis? YAY! Sonic and cohorts from different worlds? GIMMICK! Mario Kart? AWESOME YEH! Sonic and cohorts racing? GIMMICK. <----That is a prime example of a lot of fans of Sonic now. I find it quite pathetic. You all expect perfection, when in all, you should only be expecting something new, which Sega ALWAYS delivers, and a laugh or two, and seeing your once childhood world, come to life. Stop focusing on everything negative, get a positive, and shut up :3

I've been saying that for years. It's one of the main reasons I call alot of reviewers Biased.

There is no excuse for half assed games regardless of what the "fans" may want. The truth is, the past few Sonic games have been mediocre (Check out the Sonic the Hedgehog that released on PS3 and 360.. wow what trash) and I dont think they need something new in terms of needing something right. SU came close to delivering his speed to 3-D (love that jungle zone by the way) but them trying new things and making sure they are done RIGHT are their biggest challenge.

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A kill is a kill, why are you complaining when you should be dead?

As a True Sonic Fan (havent played the handhelds), I can admit some games are better made than others.  but before Yuji Naka left the franchise, there was always at least some great appeal in playing the games.  Yes, even the 3d ones, wich Sonic Adventure still rule in my book. it was truly the 2d games made in 3d!  some ups and downs with glitches here and there, but look past that and you can enjoy a fantastic game.  Now with Sonic Unleashed, we have a product that came really close to another great 3D Sonic game.  but there's alot of things i also see in this game that Yuji Naka would of NEVER let the developers get away with if he was involved. 

with all that said....I totally agree with the original poster.

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http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=441335

well sorry but i think you´re terribly wrong... I play sonic since the first sonic the hedgehog, i have every sonic game for the genesis, master system and i bought sonic adventure even before i had the dreamcast. I was a memeber of club sega, i recorded the original saturday morning toons on VHS and had stickers, caps, action figures and everything sonic related u can possibly imagine so to say that the fans are bad is just pure B.S.

Ever since sonic heroes it´s all been downhill except for the nintendo consoles mainly on the portable ones because due to the limited graphics they were able to dish, they managed to keep it toned down and true to it´s roots.
Sonic heroes was one of the clunkiest platformers i ever played and the team idea was awful, i´d rather have separate storylines like adventure or adventure 2.

Haven´t played Sonic for the ps3 and xbox360 but from what i heard it was pure s***... as for Shadow the hedgehog that was PURE GIMMICK! there i said it. It was an attempt to cater to the GTA generation of kids comin up. "Hey let´s put him with guns and bikes, and be a rebel and a bada**, kids love that" I´m just glad they didn´t make Shadow listen to hip hop and call Knuckles his dawg and homie and s*** and wear baggy pants... It was clearly a gimmick man don´t bullsh** me...

Unleashed looked so promising when u play the day levels, it almost felt like a comeback to good times, only to find out u have to play a god of war ripoff that manages to be even more repetitive than a dinasty warriors demo.

Look, my problems at the end of the day ain´t the gimmicks, it´s how poorly designed and made the games were. The ideas ain´t great but i would take them gladly if the games didn´t suck...
Real fans like me get upset because we see the license we most loved as kids get throwed in the mud with shitt* games that aren´t using the potential the license has. We have to complain and have to get pissed, otherwise they´ll just keep delivering weak games. If u are a fan of the license and gladly take the crap sega throws at u, then i´m sorry, but are no fan at all as u enjoy seeing a licence u like crashing and burning...

right i couldnt careless if u think im right or wrong so im going to be blunt all the sonic games were fun, good, also if u didnt like the game then don't play it, its as easy as that, also before i forget fans made wants, needs but also remember alot of other fans didnt care, liked the games then there were the general hater which most times talk aload of rubbish (we know how they are) but anyway if they don't like the sonic games then i dare them to a make fan made games,then show them to sega team, fans and see if anyone cares

but seriously when people say stuff is crap they don't give any proper reasons but due to them not liking it or heres the fun part 'too hard' which is a laugh to be honest, anyway its like sonic riders i love it but some people will say its rubbish as in thats the opinion of everyone when its clearly not

so in short i wouldnt blame the games or sony or all the fans but certain 'closed minded' people ps im not calling those people fans since well if they didnt like any next gen sonic then im not even sure how they can call them 'sonic fans'

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