Last friday I came home from school and decided to play some good ol' Kane's Wrath. Didn't do so well, as you can see. Played 12 games with the Talons, and one as the MoK. I don't know if this is just the result of six weeks without an Xbox, or if my early game BOs are just awful. Possibility # 3, I just suck. Some early game Talons tips would be pretty nice. I know they're not the best faction in KW, but where's the fun in playing an extremely OP faction and just whoring some insta-win strat?

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

u'r liyin i think i had played with u before, Steel Talon tips?.. the only one that i can think of is to finish the game before u'r enemy gets tier 3 units (beatin u'r enemy in less than 5mins)

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"A Hero Come's and Goes ,But a SolDieR is ForEveR !! "

one of the reasons why steel talons are UP is because of the limited strats they can produce. but they are cool looking :p st ftw:P

 Xpektro GzN wrote:

u'r liyin i think i had played with u before, Steel Talon tips?.. the only one that i can think of is to finish the game before u'r enemy gets tier 3 units (beatin u'r enemy in less than 5mins)

I don't think we've played before, unless it was a long time ago. The pain with the Talons is that really lame strats are very effective against them. Titans and Wolverines can rip apart Scorps and bikes in an even fight, but if the enemy has a decent economy set up, he can just swarm your main force before you have a group of reinforcements built up. Then of course, there's Hexapod Wh0ring, which is so much more effective since the Talons have no EMP unit. If they did, they would be a great Epic killing faction. I also once had 2 mammoths and 6 titans with railguns an AA square off with 3 Purifiers. They walked up to use their flamethrowers, so I engaged AA. My force got burnt down in 5 seconds, and he proceded to wipe out my base with the 2 Purifiers that survived.

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

 cute raptor wrote:

one of the reasons why steel talons are UP is because of the limited strats they can produce. but they are cool looking :p st ftw:P

Yeah, they bring back fond memories of Tiberian Sun too. If I could change the Talons a little, I'd swap out the Grenadiers for a Disk Thrower squad (more accurate against infantry), and bring in a revamped Jump Jet Trooper squad to serve as heavy infantry. I'd let them have full flight abilities, have them fly faster than they did originally, sport stealth detection abilities, and give them a heavy rail machinegun like the Commando's, only much better against vehicles. When airborne, they can also shoot at aircraft. Priced at 1000 cr, they'd be a nice T3 all around unit, fitting in between GDI's strong heavy infantry, and Nod and Scrin's more tactical heavies, and would give the Talons a nice mix of flexibility and firepower lacking in their army.

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

I found this article on Gamereplays.org which pretty much summed up how I felt on that friday. http://www.gamereplays.org/kaneswrath/portals.php?show=page&name=kanes-wrath-you-know-its-not-your-day

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

One of the few I've actually been successfull with again high level players is the bloodhound rush. But if you get scouted you're dead so you need to anti-scout completely. It works best on Decision cause you can go 3 engis and grab a turret if you're afraid something goes wrong. On decision It goes like pp/barracks,Barracks,ref,command post,airfield (upgrade pp), place airfield call in bloudhounds. From there you sell your commandpost and can adapt and build 2 Orca's whith with good micro can kill 2 harvs while your bloodhounds hold of his AA bikes,infantry or additional harvs. Orca Strike support power 1 hits all harvs so place it near his ref docking spots whenever you can, try to anticipate where andd when they'll dock and factor that with the travel time.. While doing that you can go for additional Orca's (2 or 1 + hardpoints), or a 2nd ref and only a warfactory after that and start getting more harvs up while keeping his attention at his base and be as agressive as possible without losing too many units. Just circling orca's over someone's harvs keeps their attention from being elsewhere..

nice strat for st players

I've been trying to adapt a 2 pred + 1 APC/engi rush I used in TW to the Steel Talons, but the equivalent MRT + 2 Titans is too expensive, slow, and lacks anti-infantry. I've been playing around with different vehicle combos, like an MRT + 2 Wolverines and a Pitbull, but they aren't as effective, or cost effective as the 2 pred 1 APC team. Thinking about 4 MRT + 2 missle, 1 rifle, and an engi. The whole point of this rush is to kill enemy build queues. The APC/engi goes for the Conyard, while the Preds make short work of any cranes, or blow up some harvesters if there is no crane. Even if he has a WF, I can still improve my economy, jump to T2, or pump out some more T1 units to finish the job while he tries to build a new MCV. If I want to be a real ***, I'll pack up his MCV after I capture it and move it to my expansion field, instead of just selling it.

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

The problem with this rush is that in KW engis got a 3sec cap delay which means good opponents will just sell the building and the rifle squad kills the engi. Also you can't target with MRT's alone. But if you manage to get an mrt engi into an enemy conyard he can either sell it or pack it up and then you can just stomp the mcv with a titan. =D

 Kefk0 wrote:

The problem with this rush is that in KW engis got a 3sec cap delay which means good opponents will just sell the building and the rifle squad kills the engi. Also you can't target with MRT's alone. But if you manage to get an mrt engi into an enemy conyard he can either sell it or pack it up and then you can just stomp the mcv with a titan. =D

Can a Titan really rush an MVC..?? If so,, that would be hilarious to see lol.!!

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"A Hero Come's and Goes ,But a SolDieR is ForEveR !! "

 Xpektro GzN wrote:

 Kefk0 wrote:

The problem with this rush is that in KW engis got a 3sec cap delay which means good opponents will just sell the building and the rifle squad kills the engi. Also you can't target with MRT's alone. But if you manage to get an mrt engi into an enemy conyard he can either sell it or pack it up and then you can just stomp the mcv with a titan. =D

Can a Titan really rush an MVC..?? If so,, that would be hilarious to see lol.!!

i mean crush a MVC

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"A Hero Come's and Goes ,But a SolDieR is ForEveR !! "

 Kefk0 wrote:

The problem with this rush is that in KW engis got a 3sec cap delay which means good opponents will just sell the building and the rifle squad kills the engi. Also you can't target with MRT's alone. But if you manage to get an mrt engi into an enemy conyard he can either sell it or pack it up and then you can just stomp the mcv with a titan. =D

If he sells his MCV and I manage to kill his cranes, then he loses all of his build queues. He can recover if he has a WF, but I can take that time to get to T2 and blow up some harvs with Orcas. And I have snagged my fair share of MCVs with this rush. If he packs up instead, I use my engi on the next most important structure, while my preds beat up on the crane, or any harvesters. Also, you can still force fire with the MRTs so structures can be taken down, and leave them set on guard mode to handle any units that are in range. Titans are good for crushing the MCV, but you have to really watch out for missle squads. Using the enemy's structures as cover can only work for so long, and Titans aren't infantry killers (minus the crushing, of course). If I can cap and sell the MCV, I could throw the rifle squad into the MRT and give the Titans all of the anti infantry support they need. It's just that the Titans aren't fast enough to get there to really catch the enemy by surprise. They can wreak havoc in the enemy base if there are no defenses, but if the enemy does have some anti vehicle units then this rush gets pretty difficult to pull off. That's why I'm trying out different unit combinations to try and get the same effect. Maybe MRT/Rifle, MRT/engi, and a Titan? It only costs 100 credits more than the 2 Pred, APC/engi rush. A Wolverine could substitute for the MRT/Rifle, but the self repair ability is worth the extra 100 credits. I'll try it out next time I'm at home.

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"Do a barrel roll!" Peppy Hare.

 CND AAA Beef wrote:

Last friday I came home from school and decided to play some good ol' Kane's Wrath. Didn't do so well, as you can see. Played 12 games with the Talons, and one as the MoK. I don't know if this is just the result of six weeks without an Xbox, or if my early game BOs are just awful. Possibility # 3, I just suck. Some early game Talons tips would be pretty nice. I know they're not the best faction in KW, but where's the fun in playing an extremely OP faction and just whoring some insta-win strat?

Best tip of all: Don't use them!

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Could I be wrong,
But since you been gone,
You cast your spell so break it.
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