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   03-05-2008, 8:12 PM
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I just played a game against ryno23chuk44 and all was well until in overtime (with me down a man and the faceoff in my zone), the game started glitching.  I won the faceoff and so it repeated the draw.  I won again and same result.  He won the next and continued playing until I recovered the puck and then it glitched back to the previous faceoff.  I wasn't sure at first but this continued on with me verbally asking him what he was doing with no response.  He couldn't beat my "solid defence" ;), so he just quit.  I checked and it was his first online game...just thought you all should know...:)   

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   03-05-2008, 8:26 PM
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i don't think he was cheating. it's because your connection with his is not very good so it causes to do that
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   03-05-2008, 9:19 PM
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There's hundreds of reasons why it does that, if the game didn't do it until overtime, it's not his connection, I don't know why it caused it, but it's definately not his connection

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   03-06-2008, 5:57 AM
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ok...I'm not a moron by any stretch and I know when someone's cheating...first of all, this "glitch" per say , happened over and over for about 10 minutes and only when he won the faceoff and had possession of the puck did the play carry on but as soon as I recovered the puck it would "glitch back to the previous faceoff...I witnessed this over and over and I am without a doubt certain that he was cheating...he also paused the game for a bit just before it all started.

This was also this guys first online game so maybe someone with some relevant knowledge should look into this

 

P.S.  I'm not making this up and i'm not crazy so I hope someone takes me seriously.

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   03-06-2008, 6:01 AM
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I've seen this glitch many times but not like this time...it was completely being manipulated.

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   03-06-2008, 8:33 AM
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I agree and it is a glitch, all I was saying is that I don't know what caused it! I'm with you on this one wademus77

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   03-06-2008, 3:44 PM
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while for all u ppl out there vince1234 is a glitches so dont play him!!!!!!!
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   03-06-2008, 4:25 PM
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 wademus77 wrote:

I just played a game against ryno23chuk44 and all was well until in overtime (with me down a man and the faceoff in my zone), the game started glitching.  I won the faceoff and so it repeated the draw.  I won again and same result.  He won the next and continued playing until I recovered the puck and then it glitched back to the previous faceoff.  I wasn't sure at first but this continued on with me verbally asking him what he was doing with no response.  He couldn't beat my "solid defence" ;), so he just quit.  I checked and it was his first online game...just thought you all should know...:)   



How could he have been cheating if he ended up quitting? Usually, people who manipulate the faceoff glitch want -you- to quit. He got a loss whereas if the game was able to run to its completion, he could've gotten an OTL, which looks better than the 3-0 connection lost losses.

He probably didn't respond because A) he didn't have a mic or B) he himself didn't know what was happening. It was his first game, after all. And timing doesn't matter. I've had faceoff glitches happen in the first period, the second (most often in the second), the third and even overtime (the glitch went all the way back to the third period). Someone explained the possible reason behind the glitch on another thread, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Something to do with two routers being unable to synch with each other so they go to the last point where they were able to transmit information, which would be the last faceoff. That's not quite it, but something along those lines.

It was a glitch, but I'm pretty sure it was an exploited glitch.
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   03-06-2008, 7:05 PM
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He only quit because i kept shutting him down and he would glitch it back to the previous faceoff but why he quit has no rellevance anyway.  I agree that it is an exploited glitch and if this guy was any good at the game he could have completely controlled it with it.  This sounds like cheating to me...anyone else?
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   03-06-2008, 7:42 PM
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hE IS NOT CHEATING SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS IT HAPPENED BETWEEN MY BUDDY AND I JUST LASTNIGHT!!!!!
Are you saying BOSE surround sound, a 60" plasma and a massaging chair isn't a setup?"patriot9150"

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   03-06-2008, 8:15 PM
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He's not cheating, this happens to me sometimes and it's annoying as ***...

It happened in NHL 07 sometimes too...
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   03-06-2008, 10:02 PM
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I've had this happen to me a number of different times. You don't trigger it, it just happens. Relax, Charlie Brown.
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   03-07-2008, 2:41 AM
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 wademus77 wrote:
He only quit because i kept shutting him down and he would glitch it back to the previous faceoff but why he quit has no rellevance anyway.  I agree that it is an exploited glitch and if this guy was any good at the game he could have completely controlled it with it.  This sounds like cheating to me...anyone else?


Why a person quits has absolute relevance. You can't tell me someone quitting because they're a baby who can't handle losing is equivalent to someone who quits because they forgot they had a roast in the oven and it is now on fire.

And actually, I didn't mean to say it is an exploited glitch. I meant to have a "not" in there, but I didn't notice until I couldn't edit it anymore.

Unless you have evidence that he purposely triggered the glitch, I'm inclined to say it wasn't cheating.
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   03-07-2008, 3:18 AM
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First of all, your cynicism is rather bothersome and you can't say for sure that he wasn't cheating so enough with all of your "knowledge" on the subject because I feel like i'm getting answers from a bunch of sixth grader's.  I have dealt with this glitch many times also so you wont convince me that this was the same.  I am absolutely convinced that he was controlling the glitch and if you were sitting beside me when this occurred you would have been too. 

 

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   03-07-2008, 3:47 AM
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"Why a person quits has absolute relevance. You can't tell me someone quitting because they're a baby who can't handle losing is equivalent to someone who quits because they forgot they had a roast in the oven and it is now on fire."

 

Quitting the game for whatever reason had nothing to do with the problem which was cheating therefore it would be irrellevant why he quit would it not?  He was cheating regardless unless of course you believe that a glitch can be so coincidental that one would be made to think someone was manipulating it?  I'm gonna believe cheating...

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   03-07-2008, 3:55 AM
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When this happenes it turns into a man vs battle of who wont quit first, I am 4/8 of these battles, but i'll take 50% anyday here!!!
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   03-07-2008, 5:20 AM
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hes not cheating.... its just a glitch that happens... i used to play my friend and it only would happen when he played me and when i played any one.... u dont cause it it just does it.... he could play anyone iwth out it happening but if he played me it did it.... its not any one cheating
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   03-07-2008, 2:56 PM
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 wademus77 wrote:

First of all, your cynicism is rather bothersome and you can't say for sure that he wasn't cheating so enough with all of your "knowledge" on the subject because I feel like i'm getting answers from a bunch of sixth grader's.  I have dealt with this glitch many times also so you wont convince me that this was the same.  I am absolutely convinced that he was controlling the glitch and if you were sitting beside me when this occurred you would have been too. 

Quitting the game for whatever reason had nothing to do with the problem which was cheating therefore it would be irrellevant why he quit would it not?  He was cheating regardless unless of course you believe that a glitch can be so coincidental that one would be made to think someone was manipulating it?  I'm gonna believe cheating...



If I seem cynical, it's because you're offering an old complaint and trying to interpret it differently than the hundreds of other times it's been interpreted. Just look through these boards and you'll see a dozen or so threads on both the faceoff glitch and it's abuse. Those who typically get cheated by it are informed of it by an unsporting individual.

And since you brought it up, there's no way you could know for sure that he was cheating, since he apparently never told you he was and all you have is circumstantial evidence. Poor circumstantial evidence, at that. Why is it poor? Consider this: usually, a cheater cheats to win, right? Otherwise, why put in the effort to cheat if the outcome is going to be a loss, anyway? The same should apply here. He wasn't losing, he was tied. Even if he lost in overtime, he would have had a better stat (an OTL) than if he had quit (an automatic 3-0 loss, if you don't glitch around it). So there seems to be no motive for why he would cheat and then quit, wasting not only his time and effort, but producing the least desirable result. Besides, it isn't like manipulating the faceoff glitch is simple or common knowledge, so there's additional effort required to manually intiate it. Why would someone do all this just to lose?

I doubt I would believe he was cheating, even if I was sitting next to you because this thing happens all the time. It's not a rare event and it's more often than not unintentional. My brother can't host games because when he does, the faceoff glitch loop occurs. Is he cheating? No. Just because the timing of the glitch seems convenient to another user (which doesn't even seem to be the case here) does not automatically imply the person is cheating you.

If the problem was cheating, then he wouldn't have quit. So his quitting is pretty strong evidence that he either sucks at being a cheater or -gasp- he wasn't cheating.

If you had lost or had a win taken away from you, then maybe you'd find more sympathy, but you come on here *** about how someone "glitched" you and yet you still came out on top. More than that, though, you then proceed to act all defensive when we try to point out that maybe the guy in question wasn't a cheater, just unlucky. If you want to live in a paranoid fantasy land where everyone is out to cheat you, even when you win, then be my guest, but please don't drag other people's names through the dirt because you can't differentiate between unfortunate circumstance and foul play. 
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   03-07-2008, 7:18 PM
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I don't seem to be getting through to anyone...my biggest annoyance here is that none of you can seem to understand exactly what I am saying.  Yes, I have dealt with this glitch as much as anyone else and I understand that it is no fault of anyone's.   It's like you just won't believe that someone could possibly be manipulating the glitch somehow which I personally saw and verified it over and over until coincidence was no longer rational.  Is there someone who might want to address this for once cause I am right tired of hearing the same answer over and over.

 

P.S.  I posted this because I am a strong believer in fair gaming and would never try to defame someone so I don't appreciate your comments.  Your answers were nothing more than speculation and were rather trite. 

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   03-07-2008, 7:37 PM
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Also...I don't believe he intended to use the glitch until the right opportunity...like when I was 1 man down with the faceoff in my zone in OT.  That would be the perfect opportunity to manipulate the glitch until he won the faceoff which is what he did, he just didn't score.  Explain why he could breakout into my zone and cycle the puck for 15 to 25 seconds, then I poke check the puck back down into his zone and he does another breakout but this time I recover the puck and guess what happens???  Have 10 to 15 similar situations with exactly the same result happen to you and you would have no choice but to think something was up.  I am in my second year of law which I only state to provide you with the understanding that I am impartial to the situations I deal with so I have "worked the angles" and I am fairly certain of what I witnessed.
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   03-08-2008, 2:51 AM
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wademus 77 you don t even know what you are talking about please go put down this game and play 2k8.
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   03-08-2008, 3:21 AM
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this glitch that you are talking about its just a variation of a standby its doing somethin with the modem thats why people pause....this happens to me alot to and i am amazing at faceoffs....one kid tryed it on me and i won 32 staright faceoffs then he quit, he actually sent me a msg telling ME to quit cuz he was gettin fustrated.....what some people will do to win at a vgame that nobody will care about in a few months.....kinda depressing :(
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   03-08-2008, 3:28 AM
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Wademus from what youve said in all of your posts it doesnt seem like the guy cheated you.  Obviously I cant say for sure because I dont know any more than you do, and neither of us knows what was going on with the guy you were playing.  All we DO know is that if he was cheating he was THE WORST CHEATER OF ALL TIME.  I know that if I were cheating I certainly wouldnt quit the game and take a 3-0 loss.  As someone stated before when this glitch happens it usually just comes down to who will hold out the longest without quitting.

Now you can tell everyone that you know of at least one black American hockey fan.
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   03-08-2008, 3:39 AM
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It was his first game...maybe he tried the "cheat" per say, and when it wasn't working out he just gave up.  Very possible since it was his first online game for that account anyway.  He might have other accounts and doesn't care about this one so he tries out his cheat on it.  It's all speculation but it's possible.  The bottom line is that it just doesn't make sense that the glitch was 100 percent biased against me, coincidence or not. 

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   03-08-2008, 4:07 AM
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 wademus77 wrote:

It was his first game...maybe he tried the "cheat" per say, and when it wasn't working out he just gave up.  Very possible since it was his first online game for that account anyway.  He might have other accounts and doesn't care about this one so he tries out his cheat on it.  It's all speculation but it's possible.  The bottom line is that it just doesn't make sense that the glitch was 100 percent biased against me, coincidence or not. 



from what I know about this glitch(only happened to me once) thats pretty much how it works.  hey man either way its not a big deal.  you got the win so *** it.

Now you can tell everyone that you know of at least one black American hockey fan.
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   03-08-2008, 1:23 PM
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I only posted this to let people know...I could care less whether I won or lost, I just wanted to inform people of my experience.  I didn't mean to get so worked up about it so no hard feelings I hope.
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   03-08-2008, 7:27 PM
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There may be some merit here guys.

From what I know about "glitching/intentional lagging" (which I've only read about on the internet of course) is that a "lag switch" will cause the connection to time out if used to often or too long on a single use. It IS within the realm of possibility that some one could utilise such a thing and lose their connection because of it.

I'm not saying it DEFINITELY happened, but the circumstances are far too "coincidental" to actually be coincidental.

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   10-24-2009, 11:28 AM
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can any one help me my account got hacked and now my zone says cheater after i got my account back and xbox sipport told me to come on here to sort it out
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