I was curious now that Magic the Gathering has appeared on xbox which game does everyone feel is better?  I like Magic  but, overall find the board element to a card game far more interesting.  So, for overall entertainment value I'd still go with Culdcept. 

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I agree. Magic is classic and it's good to see it around finding new fans. For me, I think it falls to a customization issue. More cards equal more options and more diversified game play. Wouldn't it be cool if MTG's success lead to new Culdcept fans and some dlc?

Yeah it'll be interesting to see if Magic helps boost intrest in Culdcept.  I've yet to try culdcept online everytime i try to log on no one is on.

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 BAChoW wrote:

Wouldn't it be cool if MTG's success lead to new Culdcept fans and some dlc?

I actually received a random PM from a guy after posting on the MTG forums telling me that if I enjoyed MTG, I would enjoy Culdcept.

Had to go to two different Gamestop's to find a used copy for $17, but was WELL worth it!

I like both of them, but Culdcept just has a bit more depth and that small little thing called customization...

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Yes, customization, it's hard for me to imagine anyone making a card game without the option of picking what cards you're going to use. That's one of the main draws of the original card game, being able to build your own deck. If you take out that ability, then you're also eliminating any possibility of creative strategy. If everyone is using the same cards, then it comes down to luck of the draw, not the player's strategy.

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Yes, customization, it's hard for me to imagine anyone making a card game without the option of picking what cards you're going to use. That's one of the main draws of the original card game, being able to build your own deck. If you take out that ability, then you're also eliminating any possibility of creative strategy. If everyone is using the same cards, then it comes down to luck of the draw, not the player's strategy.

I posted this in the CuldceptSaga.com forums, but it's looking like Culdcept Saga is out of print. So you MTG players who are thinking about getting into it might want to try to find a copy sooner rather than later.

Playing the trial for MTG made me want to start go back to playing Culdcept Saga again...

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Playing the trial for MTG made me want to start go back to playing Culdcept Saga again...

True started playing magic but, it's like yeah it's ok.........more on the nastolgic value of recalling playing the "real" card game when it was fun before it became currupted and funny thing is now thanks to online buying of cards I'm guessing it's worst....Need to dig up my culdcept and play it again somemore it's been awhile and it is quite fun..

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Culdcept for the PS2 was an amazing game and well balanced...I played the heck out of it.  So when this was announced I was stoked.  I used to play MtG back in the 90's and this was like a diferent take on the fantasy card game deal so I bought it the day it came out.  The game is way out of balanced...the computer cheats, you have a steep uphill climb from the very start to be able to beat computer opponents just to get some decent cards.

I've tried to get back into Culdcept Saga from time to time but it is just rediculous.

The Magic XBLA game is great and I've been playing it to grind out getting the cards unlocked.  I know a LOT of people are complaining about the lack of a deck editing feature but for what it is...I've enjoyed the MtG XBLA game more than Culdcept Saga.

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 thirteentongimp wrote:

Culdcept for the PS2 was an amazing game and well balanced...I played the heck out of it.  So when this was announced I was stoked.  I used to play MtG back in the 90's and this was like a diferent take on the fantasy card game deal so I bought it the day it came out.  The game is way out of balanced...the computer cheats, you have a steep uphill climb from the very start to be able to beat computer opponents just to get some decent cards.

I've tried to get back into Culdcept Saga from time to time but it is just rediculous.

The Magic XBLA game is great and I've been playing it to grind out getting the cards unlocked.  I know a LOT of people are complaining about the lack of a deck editing feature but for what it is...I've enjoyed the MtG XBLA game more than Culdcept Saga.

I was just wondering if you could expand on what you mean when you say "Culdcept Saga is rediculous." I'm not calling you out on anything, I just want to hear more details on where your opinion is coming from.

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Not that I completely agree with him, but I do wnat to back him up somewhat. You have to continue playing Culdecept, especially against human opponents ot really gte the true enjoyment out of it. The first few battles are really hard if you haven't farmed cards. And even later on, with decks of rare the computer just seems inordinately lucky. I've gotten frustrated beyond belief with this game... but as much as it makes me wnat to just shut it off and curse at the top of my lungs it also gets me to tinker with and optimize my decks.

 the customizing and creation of a personal deck is what makes ccg's so intriguining. Take that away as the magic game has and you have a big reason to play missing, imo. magic is going to stay as a once played demo until they have some expansions to change things.

I loath monopoly and if this wasn't similar to magic then I could not sit through the 2-3 hour games.  Having said that, this is a more complete experience because it has deck building.  I'm not yet through the single player but if I ever unlock the cards then I think I will love the online game.  As it currently stands, the long as hell stream of 3 player matches try my patience.  What were they thinking in including, what feels like, 90% 3 player matches..  Sorry, I'll stop before I rant.

Anyway, I think the DOTP MTG Arcade game is more fun in the short term but, with limited customization, it will get old and I will (prolly) eventually wish I could sell it.  I doubt Culdcept will ever not be worthy of my game collection even if I'm just playing local games.

I like them both, but I prefer my card games to be face to face.
Having said that, on the X- box, I find Culdcept to hold my interest longer.

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Not that I completely agree with him, but I do wnat to back him up somewhat. You have to continue playing Culdecept, especially against human opponents ot really gte the true enjoyment out of it. The first few battles are really hard if you haven't farmed cards. And even later on, with decks of rare the computer just seems inordinately lucky. I've gotten frustrated beyond belief with this game... but as much as it makes me wnat to just shut it off and curse at the top of my lungs it also gets me to tinker with and optimize my decks.

 the customizing and creation of a personal deck is what makes ccg's so intriguining. Take that away as the magic game has and you have a big reason to play missing, imo. magic is going to stay as a once played demo until they have some expansions to change things.

Yes, all of what you said...this game is unbalanced like crazy and I'm not one to say this usually outside of Mario Kart 64, but...wait for it.........THE COMPUTER CHEATS!!!!  I'm pretty certain of that because they always seem to have the right cards at the right time.  Their draws are unrealistic.  I loved the PS2 version because it was challenging but fair.  This version is unfair as F**K.  I finally traded it in today because I was absolutely sick of it.  Even though the MTG is so limited and gimped, I'd much rather play it because at least it is somewhat decently balanced.  I wouldn't recommend Culdcept Saga to anyone.  It is a very broken game.

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Playing the AI isn't where it's at in Culdcept Saga anyway (never mind the fact that the AI is a complete joke to beat, whether you feel it cheats or not). If you got rid of the game without playing it online, you missed the best part by far.

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Good post - as an advanced paper magic player, I caught wind of Culdcept Saga in a magazine article and downloaded the Culdcept Demo and played the heck out of it.  After a couple days of the demo, I couldn't take it anymore and got the full version for only $20.  I played through the story, beat all of the challenges, played tons online, got all of the achievements (after a long time), and I'm still playing it after a year (mostly for league matches).  I've really enjoyed this game and found a great community of players.

I bought MTG DOTP a few days after it came out, and recently got the expansion.  For the price, it is also a good game.

They both have their issues with live play, but honestly for me it's like deciding which of my kids is my favorite.  If MTG had more cards and allowed you to customize your deck that would be nice.  I would love it too if CS had some DLC.

If I had to pick one, I'd bet my $20 double or nothing on sports, win, then get both!

After playing a bit more Magic lately, I've gotta go with Culdcept Saga. The actual "game" component is just more thought-out. The fact that Magic requires you to use lands -- one of the game's card types -- to cast your other spells adds too much randomness. So many games come down to one player getting all lands, or not enough lands. It drives me crazy.

In Culdcept Saga, both players start out with the exact same G. While the die rolls add a level of randomness, if that drives you crazy, you can build a probability control deck. If you want to give yourself an advantage in G, you can build your deck accordingly.