I watched the fight, it was epic, there were techniques used in that fight that have to be practiced a 1000 times to be useful, i would be proud to be taught martial arts by either of those fighters.

Interestingly the guy who looked totally outclassed and battered, won the fight, why was this? well there is an interesting fight between fedor emelianko and ricardo arona, fedor looks totally outclassed, but he wins, why? because the rules state that only certain actions will score high points.  Fedor knew the rules.

After all these years of watching ufc i have realised that i didnt understand how it was all scored, shogun was at an unfair disadvantage he fought a perfect muay thai fight, he couldnt have known the rules either. 

Not sure why you posted this in the Street Fighter forum but I'll add to it.

Shogun clearly won the fight.  Anyone that seen it will tell you that.  The only people that felt like he didn't win that fight were the judges.  I haven't seen someone get that badly scre.wed over in sports since the Seahawks had Super Bowl 40 taken from them. 

Here is a very interesting statistics breakdown from that fight:

http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html

It is clear through the stats and the naked eye that Shogun won the fight.  I just hope he gets the rematch he deserves very soon.  It has been rumored and I hope it is confirmed very soon.

The judging system needs to be changed and my theory is this.  I know there are a lot of legal issues surrounding the way this sport has to be judged and that is for the lawyers to sift through.  Bottom line is that knowledgeable MMA experts need to be judging these fights.  My thoughts is that you have the actual fighters sign contracts that include so many appearances as judges.  Say Forest Griffen, Rashard Evans and Brandon Vera have the night off,  well they get to judge a lightweight fight that night since they aren't in that weight class and there couldn't be much of an alterior motive to making a decision.  There is enough fighters in the UFC to make this happen with good rotation.

When I watch a rap battle, other battle rappers judge the event.  It makes the most sense because they are the most qualified to say who won or lost since they excel at that profession.  The same rule applies here.  When 3 random  "judges" make a decision on a MMA fight they are often put in a situation where they are asked to make a judgment based on what they think happened as opposed to what they actually seen happen right in front of them.  Nobody knows this sport better than the ones who live it everyday and those are the ones who should be making the decisions, not some guy who has never been in a fight in his life.  That makes no sense. 

Just my 2 cents.

(But the night wasn't completely a wash, at least we got to see Anthony Johnson become a monster)

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Anderson silva is %100 sure machida won the fight as are a lot of other fighters, i imagine some ruffneck tough guy will be easier to bribe than cecil peoples (great name).

i thought shogun won the fight but i judged it from a thai boxing perspective, the judges certainly didnt.

The judges owe it to us, the paying public, to explain there unanimous decision.

Is ufc a sport or just entertainment? if its entertaiment shogun won as he was more entertaining, the american crowd (no offence) booed the fighters at every lull, they dont care about the martial arts - mind games, they wanted to see pain inflicted, the crowd got there monies worth from shogun. (they need to make stomps to the body legal)

The judging of that fight showed that mma is definitely in its early years.


I posted this in the sf forum cos i was pulled into martial arts by a shoot fighter who watched me playing sf in an arcade years ago.

UFC is a sport and that is the reason that judges are certified and supplied by the state or country they are fighting in.  UFC has no control over that if they want remain a sport and I highly doubt that will change.  Like I said, that is all for the lawyers to figure out.  Something has to change, so do the American thing and have laws changed.  That is what you do when you are wealthy and need resolution.  

When I watch a fight, I don't judge it based on any specific style of fighting.  I judge it based on what just happened in front of me.  If it seems like one guy is dominating a fight like Shogun was then he is simply winning that fight.  And in order for Machida to come back and win that fight he better turn around and dominate the octagon like he did in the Tito Ortiz fight. 

It is usually clear who won a fight.  Off the top of my head I can think that Clay Guida vs. Tyson Griffin was probably the hardest fight to call I have seen to date.  Those are toss ups and there will always be people disappointed with any decision in those rare cases.  But the bottom line is that this fight was clearly not one of those "hard to call" fights.  Anyone watching it could tell you that at the very best Machida won round 3 and that is it.  Shogun dominated the octagon for 20 of the 25 minutes.  So it was very off putting and disappointing to anyone who shelled out 50 bucks to watch it.  And if main events like this continue, then less people will be buying the pay-per-views and the organization will struggle. 

So who knows, I don't have the answer.  But I can tell you that this current system is not working and it needs to be fixed very soon if this sport is to ever to become every day discussion material like NCAA, NFL, NBA and MLB are.  Again, just my 2 cents.

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Jesus there's still people who ride Rua's jock? Machida is the champ which means he doesn't really have to do much to win a decision. If Rua "battered & beat" Machida so thoroughly then why did the judges see it differently?

 Lyghts 0ut wrote:

Jesus there's still people who ride Rua's jock? Machida is the champ which means he doesn't really have to do much to win a decision. If Rua "battered & beat" Machida so thoroughly then why did the judges see it differently?

I'm not on Shogun's jock at all.  I went in to that fight wanting Machida to win because I liked him a lot more than Shogun.  But Shogun won the fight and that terrible decision was much more disappointing than watching one of my favorite fighters give a terrible effort. 

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THERE IS A UFC FORUM YOU KNOW!!

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umad u forum patrolling fgt?

 Ray Sampson wrote:

umad u forum patrolling fgt?

oh shut the fuuck up dekor you batty!
still going around thinking your hard and playing this shiit version of SF2. you will never level up son!!

go play some real fighting games like SFIV or tekken 6. not this easy shiit

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 Critical Combos wrote:

 Ray Sampson wrote:

umad u forum patrolling fgt?

oh shut the fuuck up dekor you batty!
still going around thinking your hard and playing this shiit version of SF2. you will never level up son!!

go play some real fighting games like SFIV or tekken 6. not this easy shiit

Let this be a lesson to the OP...this is why you don't post in the Street Fighter forums.  They all turn out being bi.tch fests between users who take this game WAY too serious.  Let the hating continue...

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Heres how you beat fedor.

Fedor is a student and a master of martial arts, he is intelligent, intelligence is the accumulation of data, fedor accumilates vast amounts of data on his opponents and tailors each fight to his opponents style.

Therefore to beat fedor you have to learn a new skill in the break between your last fight and your fight with fedor, i.e randleman vs cro cop, cro cop did not expect meaningful stand up striking from randleman and he has never been the same since.  

Also i strongly believe that fedors team are a massive part of his success, when one of them is removed, fedor may topple.  Fedor even has a priest in his camp.

Rogers could have his career ended, he is too easy to prepare for.

The judging was terrible in that fight. Worse off, it was in my opinion very biased and highly inconsistant.

In a post fight interview, Peoples (who is high-ranking in you guessed it, karate) stated he gave Michida octagon control for forcing Shogun to follow him around the ring. In almost every other fight I've seen, it's the fighter that forces his opponent to retreat that has octagon control - you kind of cede that if you're going to be backpeddaling.

By that logic, Kaleb Stearns should have had octagon control in his fight against Nate Quarry (that fight was a travesty if you're not familiar with it - you should totally look it up and see it)

Cecil also gave Machida effective striking since he believed Machida was picking better shots. This when nearly all the fight-counters say Shogun landed more and better shots. Peoples also discounted leg-kicks as saying they do not finish fights. Machida picked better shots? Then how come he was the one who got a medical suspension while Shogun was as fresh as a daisy?

You have to beat the champ to be the champ? Tell that to Rampage Jackson - he lost to Forrest Griffin in a squeaker decision with most of his damage coming from - leg kicks.

The biggest problem I see here is a total lack of consistancy - it seems that a judge can simply pick who he likes and justify it however he wants. They need calibration and standards to prevent this - Peoples in particular should be made an example of and censured some how. As it stands a fighter has no idea what to do to win the fight should it not be finished.

They should bring in kickboxing judges for one - people who know how high-level striking involving kicking works.

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 Lyghts 0ut wrote:

Jesus there's still people who ride Rua's jock? Machida is the champ which means he doesn't really have to do much to win a decision. If Rua "battered & beat" Machida so thoroughly then why did the judges see it differently?

horrible bias

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The judging was terrible in that fight. Worse off, it was in my opinion very biased and highly inconsistant.

In a post fight interview, Peoples (who is high-ranking in you guessed it, karate) stated he gave Michida octagon control for forcing Shogun to follow him around the ring. In almost every other fight I've seen, it's the fighter that forces his opponent to retreat that has octagon control - you kind of cede that if you're going to be backpeddaling.

By that logic, Kaleb Stearns should have had octagon control in his fight against Nate Quarry (that fight was a travesty if you're not familiar with it - you should totally look it up and see it)

Cecil also gave Machida effective striking since he believed Machida was picking better shots. This when nearly all the fight-counters say Shogun landed more and better shots. Peoples also discounted leg-kicks as saying they do not finish fights. Machida picked better shots? Then how come he was the one who got a medical suspension while Shogun was as fresh as a daisy?

You have to beat the champ to be the champ? Tell that to Rampage Jackson - he lost to Forrest Griffin in a squeaker decision with most of his damage coming from - leg kicks.

The biggest problem I see here is a total lack of consistancy - it seems that a judge can simply pick who he likes and justify it however he wants. They need calibration and standards to prevent this - Peoples in particular should be made an example of and censured some how. As it stands a fighter has no idea what to do to win the fight should it not be finished.

They should bring in kickboxing judges for one - people who know how high-level striking involving kicking works.

Thanks chagatai, i didnt realise that the fight was scored in that manner, rua threw a leaping thai kick to machidas ribs that would have worried a horse, sounds like it wasnt scored, also the fact that cecil is karate minded (self defence), goes back to my original point, young sport, who are the true mma judges?