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   11-01-2009, 10:28 PM
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Ballad of G*y Tony, Impressions/Review
I was originally going to post this in the other Ballad of *** Tony thread but then I decided against it because I realized how long this got...

Just so you know any bleeped out three letter word in this thread is probably G@y.

Here's my personal review on the Ballad. (Note: There are no spoilers about the BoGT story, but I do reference the Vanilla GTA:IV story and The Lost and Damned story a bit)

The New Additions (the stuff that's new to the GTA:IV universe, but not necessarily the GTA one. In no particular order)

Parachuting
Buzzard Helicopter (Awesome minigun and rocket capabilities)
The other new Helicopter (san something, no cool features for it other then it feels like it handles quicker then mavericks)
Nitro for cars (in triathlons)
New weapons (scroll down)
Night Clubs
Golfing
Fight Club (Liberty City Cage Fights)
New radio content (songs and commercials/radio shows.)
Henrique's ability (one of your new friends will steal and drive out some of the new vehicles to you, kind of like Clay's special ability in TLAD)

Weapons
New handgun, 44 calibre if memory serves. Either way, it's pimp as hell man. Super powerful, nice sized clip, plus just look at the thing. Damn. When I first came across this weapon I looked at it on the ground for a good five minutes before picking it up. It is sexy.

New gun for the shotgun slot. Well, it's an improvement on a gun from TLAD technically. Remember when you got the auto-shotty in TLAD and you were like, damn, guns can't get any better then this? Well, they did it. You can now buy two types of rounds for your auto-shotty the normal rounds OR explosive rounds. Yeah, these rounds upon contact let out a small explosion, nothing RPG sized but enough that around 4 shots takes out a helo. Plus it mangles the heck out of cars, you become a human car compacter with this thing. New favorite gun?

New gun for the sub-machine gun slot. Its basically a silenced P90. Large clip, powerful as hell, feels like an assault rifle but with the ability to carry large ammounts of munition for it. It's awesome. Downside though is it's a two handed weapon which means it can't be fired from a vehicle.
There is also another new skin for a gun that fits in the sub-machine gun class, the gun that now looks different is (as far as i can tell) exactly the same as it was in both TLAD and GTA:IV. I don't want to delve too much deeper in it for fear of spoilers. Mainly, I laughed pretty hard when I discovered it and I don't want the joke ruined.

A new gun for the assault rifle class, called the "Advanced Machine Gun" It's basically a SAW style MG with a 200 round clip and moderately fast reload time (compared to MGs in other games) it's perfect for those situations where you're facing alot of guys and just need to cut through them.

New sniper rifle, it zooms farther then the old magazine-style sniper rifle, but deals more damage. Plus its easily the coolest looking weapon in the game.

New weapon for the grenade class. Remote sticky bombs. Yeah, you toss them at cars/walls/what have you and push down on the dpad when you want them to explode. You can plant multiple and blow them all up at once if you want. You can throw them and blow them up in mid air. They're handy. You know when cars would be following you and you'd try to cook the grenade just right before tossing it out and blowing them up? now just toss a sticky bomb at the wall wait for the car to get to that spot and detonate. However realize that theres a delay between when you push the button and when the bombs go off (they beep like 3 or 4 times before they blow up) but once you've got that mastered these can be quite fun. Setting up ambushes for waves of enemies etc. They're just real versatile.

The New Vehicles
The Buzzard helicopter is great, the miniguns aren't explosive rounds like in the avenger but they fire faster and fire more at once. They're great for chewing through crowds or obstacles, or even for blowing up vehicles! However with the new missiles you won't need to use measley bullets for vehicles. The minigun firing is mapped to the A button whereas the missile firing is mapped to X and man, these missiles shoot fast. You just aim, hold down x, and see if your target is ashes when the smoke clears. It is a little difficult to manouver the buzzard at high speeds while trying to aim at targets and fire (specifically targets that are below you as that causes you to dive as well). But hey, if skill wasn't involved it wouldn't be fun. As well as the new buzzard helo, theres another new helo that feels like it rises higher and manouvers quicker then the maverick. Other then that, and the fact that it looks different, that helo is exactly the same.

Theres also the helo (I can't remember its name either) that is used for towing items, (vehicles)  it picks stuff up and moves it. But at this point in my playing I'm not sure if it's flyable as i've only seen it used by NPCs in missions. (I tried highjacking it even, but well stealing a moving helo is easier said then done). We will see though, I'm sure that rockstar didn't create a whole new vehicle only to not let you use it, still I've never actually been behind the controls so I can't say.

There's also a plethora of new cars, and even a couple new bikes, these new vehicles all represent real life ones pretty well (though not as blatantly as say the Coquette :P) and they all have their own individual merits. I must say though, as I own a 2008 Mustang, that the car designed to look like a mustang actually reminds me of driving it, from the sounds it makes to the weight with which it handles. I was impressed.

There's also the re-introduction of Golf Carts, these are pretty fun. Hitting people with these is a personal favourite.

Of course I can't forget the APC, the NOOSE tank. It's a light tank. which is different then what they had in past GTAs, and it features a turret that fires in a manner comparible to that of the buzzard. Smaller explosions then an RPG but faster. I'm a fan of the new APC, it handles a little awkwardly but with the command of something like a tank. Running into stuff doesn't cause them to just explode like older GTA's had, and the tank does "die" alot easier then it used to (BTW when the vehicle "dies", the manner in which it catches fire is awesome).

The Story
First and formost, your characters name is Luis Lopez, he's mexican. He's *** Tonys business partner/friend and describes his relationship with Tony as "The father I never had" (I'm purposefully being vague by the way, I don't want to give away the actual story so i'll keep it to a reflection from here on out). The actual story line featured voice acting/dialogue/characters with a high level of technical excellence that GTA:IV has led me to expect, it doesn't feature the same intensity that I felt in the Niko storyline (that mission where he saved roman from kidnapping and his voice was cracking "Don't f**k with my family!"...man that was intense) but the dry sarcasm Luis uses and his outlook on life was awesome. However, don't be fooled, this story arc is hillarious. Some of the dialogue and cutscenes that went on? Epic funny. Two characters inparticular that are introduced, one of whom is just funny as hell on his own, and the other whose interactions with a past character make him worth the inclusion. Really though, after Brucie and Roman I never thought I'd have a new favourite character, but BoGT did exactly in introducing this new guy (whose name starts with a Y....I'm really trying not to spoil anything haha).

You know how you can call a guy inbetween missions and you just talk about stuff? Like you'll reflect on what happened in the last mission or two etc. without actually progressing the story anymore. I never actually did that until the BoGT just because the dialogue was that funny.

The story starts out at the time where Niko and Packie and the boys rob the Liberty Bell Bank in the Three Leaf clover mission, just so you have a sense of where chronologically it takes place, and it does a very nice job of intertwining you with the characters and story of the past missions. It answers a couple questions you may have had like "How did this mission in TLAD end up with the police involved anyway? or the very classic Whatever did happen to those diamonds?" The story does a nice job of staying involved in the other two storylines while still being its own. And you start to have a feeling for the other side of the spectrum (as you should, cause you play as all three sides of the trifecta).

And now...The Missions

These missions are really a cut above.
You remember how in GTA:IV there were those certain missions that just flowed so nicely and were so epic they stood out? Things like the bank robbery mission, or the last mission etc. Well in BoGT nearly every mission is like that. Thats not an exageration either. Maybe 3 or 4 weren't that epic, but the other ones really were. It was so chalk full of them all that it was incredible. I guess since it's a smaller story arc then that of GTA:IV its understandable that they don't have bullshit "drive here, shoot this guy, chase this guy, repeat" missions that GTA:IV did but still. The scope of some of these missions....just incredible. Also, certain missions you only can access at certain parts of time (ie: night time/day time missions you receive from Tony will change). PLUS! BoGT has this new "Scoring" of missions, where it will rate you based on how you did in the mission. There are some default paramaters, (Time, Health lost, vehicle damage, accurcacy, # of headshots etc.) but they also include certain bonus objectives (IE: Land your parachute in a boat, shoot the target out a window etc.) and each mission has different targets for these paramaters that you can view, and based on how you did you get a percentage and based on those percentages you can unlock achievements. PLUS! BoGT allows you (upon completion of the ballad) to go back and replay any mission through an interface in your phone. I've fooled around with this and unfortunately it appears that you don't get to see the opening cutscene through this option :( could just be the missions I had selected to replay though. With those features replay value has just increased intensely.

Really, the option to replay any mission? If that was EVER implemented into the past two episodes (TLAD and GTA:IV I would cry tears of ecstacy, sadly I HIGHLY doubt that will ever happen. Unless God realllllly likes me?

The Bonus Missions

So we have different bonus missions/bonus stuff you can do.

The new BoGT has a whole new slew of Unique Stunt Jumps to challenge and frustrate you (achievements for the jumps also).

I have also seen Seaguls around the city to shoot and kill, however I am not sure if these are different then those of TLAD (The only reason I say this is because GTA:IV had pigeons, TLAD had seaguls, so i assumed BoGT would have a different animal, however they are just Seaguls and since I never bothered to kill all the Seaguls in TLAD, or even a decent ammount, I cannot fully say that they are different then those of TLAD).

Theres also Base Jump missions where you parachute in different circumstances. There are three (technically four) different type of base jumps. Target Jumps, Vehicle Jumps, and Heli Jumps. There are 15 Base Jumps in total, 5 in each of those three categories.
In Target Jumps you jump off a certain building and have to pull your chute and manouver Luise to hit a pink target on the ground, based on where you land in the target you get a score. However as long as you HIT the target it counts as complete, 3% or 100% accuracy, doesn't matter. The accuracy score is mainly just for replay (Trying to beat your best score etc.)
Now Vehicle Jumps have 2 different types, the more common type where you jump off a building and try to land on a moving flatbed truck. The 2nd type only appears 2ce, once where you start off on a roof and try to drive your Sanchez off a jump, bail off the sanchez at the right time, open your parachute, and manouver Luise onto the back of a moving flatbed OR the other which is the same except you land on a boat instead. These are my favourite type cause they're reminiscent of Evil Kanevil (sp?). Your score is based off how you land on the vehicle (ie: the middle of the flatbed or do you just tick the side and face plant off)
In Heli Jumps you start off in a helicopter, bail out the side, pull your chute and have to manouver through various floating pink circles in the sky, after you've gone through them all you have to land in a pink target succesfully to complete the jump. Your score is based off how many of the circles you hit in the air, AND how you land on the target.
Base Jumps are placed in various places throughout the city and appear on your map.

There are the Drug Wars, you and two of your friends go to an area, fight, steal the drugs, and leave. Kindof like the gang wars of TLaD except you have to actually steal the drugs and extract to complete them. These are placed in various places throughout the city and appear on your map.

Then we have my favourite addition, and probably the main reason I pop in GTA:IV months from now. Triatholons.
These are awesome. You remember how shortly after the Bank Robbery Mission in GTA:IV you hear on the radio about a crazy group of racers jumping from helicopters swimming boating and driving throughout the city? Well I remember that radio commercial well, I always assumed it was referencing the Online play where you can have Helicopter races, or Car races, or Boat races, but now I'm almost 100% positive it was referencing the happenstances of BoGT (which means Rockstar had this intented since GTA:IV itself). You start off in a cutscene in a helicopter, then you (along with your three competitors) bail out and thats when you take control of Luise. You have to parachute to the boats below (sometimes though, they're not "below" exactly..) and take control of one. Not all of the boats are the same though, so you better get their before your favourite type is gone! You then boat around the city, hitting ramps and checkpoints along the way, after a bit of boating you beach yourself and get out to take control of cars. The cars follow suit in not being all the same time, so if you really want that Comet you better be fast in your boat. Now you race cars, before you say oh racing cars! That's beein in GTA for ages! HOLD UP and realize that there's a twist. Nitro. That's right, GTA has NoS. You start off with a full "tank" of NoS and you can use it at any point, (and I must say I ADORE the NoS in this game, how your car responds etc.) but when you run out maintaining a high speed will refill your "tank", once your tank gets past the line you can either use it again or refill it more and then use it (note: Once you get past the line your NoS fills slightly faster). Basically you just drive your car through the checkpoints, NoS, fill up on the straight a ways and repeat until you get to the finish line. It's alot of fun cause you often get taken through high traffic areas (Nitro-ing your way through Star Junction in the middle of the night is FUN)
Triatholons really are the icing on the cake that is the Ballad of *** Tony for me. I'm a HUGE fan. These are placed in various spots throughout the city and show up on your map.

Then there's another Gem. The Liberty City Cage Fighters. This is great, you take Luise through a whole slew of underground cage fights, using various tactics to hone your skills and conquer. If you back your opponent up to the wall he gets grabbed by the crowd giving you a huge opening, don't step off that mat yourself though! Theres a whole championship tournament set up that I have still yet to beat. But I was a little skeptic at first, I thought "Hey! I'm super good at hand to hand combat, this will be way to easy! It's like punch punch kick counter kill repeat!" But man was I wrong, these really hone your boxing skills. Outside when you get in a hand to hand fight you can afford getting hit a couple times while you set up a counter because one or two well timed counters will end the fight with the other guy on the ground, but you try that in LCCF and when you face your second opponent with that lowered health you realize it probably wasn't such a good idea afterall. Luise has a couple new combos to bring to the table as well that are great tools to use when you're not countering. These fights are great fun and I'm excited to return to them. The LCCF is placed in one area in the city and shows up on your map. The first rule about fight club is you do not talk about fight club the second rule about fight club....

Then the friend missions, those little outings you go on with people you find on the street that you may or may not know. Like TLAD but unlike GTA:IV these appear on your map no matter where you are in the city. Some of them are pretty cool, others are pretty stupid, either way you're in for some interesting dialogue.

Then there's Club Management, during Club Hours (2100 - 0600) you can mange either of the two Clubs Tony owns: Maisonette 9 (Straight) or Hercules (***), which basically entails patrolling the different areas until you see a problem and then kicking out drunk people, stopping fights, getting your flirt on with the girl who runs the security cameras etc. But every once in a while you have to leave to go help some VIP Celebrity out of a jam.

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   11-01-2009, 10:30 PM
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Activities.

These are the things you can now do with your friends in BoGT.

Golf.
You can go to one of the driving ranges and golf with your friends, it's a fun little mini game that consists of you targetting the flags that appear on the field then starting hitting A at the appropriate time time to have a succesful swing. You get points based on how close to the flag you are and bonus points for hitting the flag (as well as a chance for an achievement).

Clubs.
Fun nighttime activity. In the past one of my favourite things to do while goofing around in GTA was to get drunk and drive around, but I was always upset I missed the actual getting drunk part. NOT ANY MORE!
At clubs you can dance on the dance floor which consists of flicking the stick in time to the beat, holding when promped, and alternating the triggers intime to the beat. Succesful dancing fills up your dance meter which in turn makes your dance with the girl dirtier and dirtier. A full dance meter will result in either a "romance" session with the girl OR a group dance routine! Group dancing has onscreen instructions (A, Left Stick right etc.) that you have to hit when they show up on the screen (if you *** up it's kind of funny though) to keep the dance going. Walking in the vacinity of the dance floor while not on Management Duties causes Luise to kind of walking dance to the music, I thought this was pretty cool.
Drinking!
You can take free shots at the bar to get drunk easily or go upstairs to the vip section for...
Drinking games!
You shake up a bottle of champagne, shoot the cap off and, depending on how well you shook it, you get to spray it on people! Note: Aim for the girls in white shirts! Then you face a guy at a chugging contest with whatevers left in the bottle, this consists of a steady rotation of the thumbstick. A little bit of a cheap gimmick I know but it's funny.
So that's how you drink in BoGT. It's pretty fun but, like in real life, if you over do it you're in for a funny surprise ater you wake up!
You can go clubbing by yourself or with friends. Note: I do not recommend getting super drunk in the VIP section, those stairs are very dangerous! Like in real life make sure you eat some food before you go drinking at the club! (Also theres a healthpack on the back of the right wall of the VIP section, assuming you're looking at the dance floor)

I Highly recommend this for any fans of GTA, even if you only kind of liked it. It's great, it's not  without its problems though, but those are just the problems that are common with all of GTA:IV.
Personally I enjoyed this expansion much more then TLAD and it also includes all the weapons that TLAD brought to the table.
For 1600 Microsoft Points this is really one of the best DLC's you can buy on the marketplace.

Note: It can also be bought in a stand-alone disc along with TLAD for $40 in stores. I made this review based off my impressions on playing the DLC version, I assume there's no difference between the two though.

This game and it's added features was the straw that broke the donkeys back on my re-activating of my Gold status. Between this and MW2 I can' t justify not playing online. (I have a good friend who I always goof around with in GTA online, and with the new buzzard and tanks and parachuting, the ammount of dumb "Games" we'll make up will be incredible.)
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   11-01-2009, 10:48 PM
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wow great review man!Yes [Y]

I'm really enjoying *** (we can say that right?Stick out tongue [:P]) tony
the missions are crazy!

So...about that local sports team

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   11-01-2009, 11:05 PM
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Awesome review dude!

I'm only an hour into it but I'm really really liking it so far. The characters are funny, the missions are crazier than anything in GTA IV or TLAD, and the new weapons and parachutes are fun to mess around with. I noticed some of the activities from TLAD are still in this episode, like air hockey.

Looking forward to:
Bayonetta
Alan Wake
Mass Effect 2
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Bioshock 2

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   11-01-2009, 11:11 PM
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if anyone wishes to play some multiplayer with me, send me a friend request. I want friends to play it with. the online free mode seems dead..

I spend alot of time going on top of buildings and jumping off trying to land into a car. bwahaha.

Don't hate the threads, hate the posters.
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   11-02-2009, 2:05 AM
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This post has minor spoilers!









Now that I come to think of it, my above statement where I said that Rockstar must have known all about the DLC story at the time of original GTA:IV doesn't seem so far fetched.
When I played throughout GTA:IV I always thought it was weird that you got achievements at the Museum level and at the Gracie kidnap level, just seemed random. Looking back at it though, it makes sense, cause Gracie was kidnapped by Niko and then tracked and freed by *** Tony and Luise so they put an achievement there cause it was a significant mission in both story arcs. And then the museum mission, I scrolled through the achievements list to check this one, and it's called Impossible Trinity, which seemed weird at the time I got it but I never really thought back on it. But it makes sense given it was Niko and Johnny selling the diamonds and then Luise f*cking it up.

Why's it matter you may ask? It really is useless. This kinda stuff just interests the hell out of me.
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   11-02-2009, 3:34 AM
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Cool! I never really looked into this episode, maybe because I was a little dissapointed in the TLAD episode. There are parachutes?! dam I may get this, but do u have to complete TLAD story to get whats going on in BoGT?
Hardcore!
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   11-02-2009, 3:36 AM
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 BeeWhy222 wrote:
This post has minor spoilers!









Now that I come to think of it, my above statement where I said that Rockstar must have known all about the DLC story at the time of original GTA:IV doesn't seem so far fetched.
When I played throughout GTA:IV I always thought it was weird that you got achievements at the Museum level and at the Gracie kidnap level, just seemed random. Looking back at it though, it makes sense, cause Gracie was kidnapped by Niko and then tracked and freed by *** Tony and Luise so they put an achievement there cause it was a significant mission in both story arcs. And then the museum mission, I scrolled through the achievements list to check this one, and it's called Impossible Trinity, which seemed weird at the time I got it but I never really thought back on it. But it makes sense given it was Niko and Johnny selling the diamonds and then Luise f*cking it up.

Why's it matter you may ask? It really is useless. This kinda stuff just interests the hell out of me.


yeah me too
makes the game just so much better

looking back thinking Brucie was a crazy roid nut and a jerk kinda
now I feel kinda bad for him because be has orange turd Mori as a brother

...you know a video game is good when it makes you think about this stuffStick out tongue [:P]

So...about that local sports team

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   11-02-2009, 4:03 AM
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I'm only like 2 missions into *** tony, but it's pretty fun so far.
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   11-02-2009, 4:53 AM
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 TheNotorious88 wrote:
do u have to complete TLAD story to get whats going on in BoGT?

No, they are two separate stories taking place at the same time. Johnny and Luis meet, but its not really significant to the story.

Looking forward to:
Bayonetta
Alan Wake
Mass Effect 2
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Bioshock 2

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   11-03-2009, 9:58 PM
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I just finished the game today, and i loved it! I prefer Ballad of *** Tony over the Lost and The Damned anyday. Not to mention, Yusef is probably my favorite character ..ever, in the series of GTA.


THAT WAS SOME SERIOUS GANGSTER SHIEEEET!

- Famous words of Yusef Amir


..Lol.
"One World, One Music, One Tribe, One Dance."
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   11-04-2009, 12:14 AM
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arab money! arab money!Stick out tongue [:P]

So...about that local sports team

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   11-04-2009, 1:07 AM
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 The1Npc wrote:
arab money! arab money!


Hahaha! I love that guy ..

"We gettin' that Arab money!"
"One World, One Music, One Tribe, One Dance."
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   11-05-2009, 6:10 AM
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 Club Amnesia wrote:
 The1Npc wrote:
arab money! arab money!


Hahaha! I love that guy ..

"We gettin' that Arab money!"


DJ!?!?!?!?

I gave all my fat clothes to my fat friends.
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   11-05-2009, 6:36 AM
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 ViewRoyale wrote:
 Club Amnesia wrote:
 The1Npc wrote:
arab money! arab money!


Hahaha! I love that guy ..

"We gettin' that Arab money!"


DJ!?!?!?!?


Ha, i know i know ..

I've changed thee Gamertag!
"One World, One Music, One Tribe, One Dance."
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   11-05-2009, 12:50 PM
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does anyone know who does that arab money song and if i can get it off itunes?

Dark magnoblade has arvived
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