I understand that it's optional add on and it is truely incredible technology and I think it's amazing what it can do, but I mean, I just don't feel good about it? Not long been an owner of the XBOX 360 and I love connecting online and playing the games online against the huge amount of other people online, and having a controller doesn't bother me at all? The controller was made, then it was made wireless, now it's been decided that you don't need to use one? I also get how this new thing can get people more on their feet and active, but (I'm afraid I'm going to have to speak it's name) when Sony released the EyeToy, it was a phenomena with a lot of people. But notice how gradually it just faded out or became a party piece when you had friends round or on special occasions. However my real fear is if people start to love this revolutionary idea, that XBOX Live and playing of the games like Halo, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden all the classic favourites, and playing them with friends and strangers alike, real time, will just sorta fade out as people start to move towards Natal? I dunno, but after watching the promo trailer on YouTube, and seeing the games that were played, it just looks incredibly new gen EyeToy-ish. I understand how technology evolves at incredible rates these days, and how knowledge is forever expanding, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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I honestly don't mean to sound like I'm hating on the concept of it, because when more info starts to appearing as we get closer to releases and stuff I may feel differently. It's just at the stage I'm at now, I just don't feel like I want a camera that can detect everything about me and my surroundings as a source of gaming?

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I think it's just more competition with the Wii for the motion sensor capabilities. I already have a Wii so if this Project Natal is going to be a whole new system, I definitely will not be getting it.

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I dont agree with the "if it aint broke dont fix it mentality", if everyone followed that line of thought we wouldnt have nearly as many technological advances as we have today. It's as simple as this, if you dont want to buy or play it then dont..but dont post on a forum yelling that the skies falling either.

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 MrBrightside142 wrote:

I understand that it's optional add on and it is truely incredible technology and I think it's amazing what it can do, but I mean, I just don't feel good about it? Not long been an owner of the XBOX 360 and I love connecting online and playing the games online against the huge amount of other people online, and having a controller doesn't bother me at all? The controller was made, then it was made wireless, now it's been decided that you don't need to use one? I also get how this new thing can get people more on their feet and active, but (I'm afraid I'm going to have to speak it's name) when Sony released the EyeToy, it was a phenomena with a lot of people. But notice how gradually it just faded out or became a party piece when you had friends round or on special occasions. However my real fear is if people start to love this revolutionary idea, that XBOX Live and playing of the games like Halo, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden all the classic favourites, and playing them with friends and strangers alike, real time, will just sorta fade out as people start to move towards Natal? I dunno, but after watching the promo trailer on YouTube, and seeing the games that were played, it just looks incredibly new gen EyeToy-ish. I understand how technology evolves at incredible rates these days, and how knowledge is forever expanding, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Even if Natal does get popular (presuming that it works the way it should from launch), how would that fade Halo, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden, and Xbox Live? It is still the xbox, no matter what type of accessory MS makes. Additionally, there is that possibility that older games could recieve natal support (unlikely, but it could happen). If natal launches without bugs, I still don't think it would replace a controller completely yet.

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I dont agree with the "if it aint broke dont fix it mentality", if everyone followed that line of thought we wouldnt have nearly as many technological advances as we have today. It's as simple as this, if you dont want to buy or play it then dont..but dont post on a forum yelling that the skies falling either.

Firstly, yer your right about the "if it ain't broke" line, I agree it was a dumb thing to put. But after watching that video were that woman interacted with "Milo" I just felt like that's not where I wanted to see gaming go. Being able to substitute a normal, human to human interaction, with a digitally created child who can see things I draw, and the colours and I can pretend I'm touching water, and all these other cool things that I could go into the real world and do. However my sincerest apologies for using the XBOX Forum in such a wasteful manner as to post my concerns (granted they appear over exaggerated now in my opinion) over an XBOX related product. What was I thinking?! Forums just aren't for that. You can't just go around expressing opinions about XBOX on XBOX forums, that's just not relevant. It's as simple as this, if you don't like it, don't read it, but god damn my curiousity, I came looking to see what other XBOX users thought, but don't worry Dad, I've learnt my lesson now. Sadly it might have come a bit too late though if the skies are falling? :/

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 carbz413 wrote:

 MrBrightside142 wrote:

I understand that it's optional add on and it is truely incredible technology and I think it's amazing what it can do, but I mean, I just don't feel good about it? Not long been an owner of the XBOX 360 and I love connecting online and playing the games online against the huge amount of other people online, and having a controller doesn't bother me at all? The controller was made, then it was made wireless, now it's been decided that you don't need to use one? I also get how this new thing can get people more on their feet and active, but (I'm afraid I'm going to have to speak it's name) when Sony released the EyeToy, it was a phenomena with a lot of people. But notice how gradually it just faded out or became a party piece when you had friends round or on special occasions. However my real fear is if people start to love this revolutionary idea, that XBOX Live and playing of the games like Halo, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden all the classic favourites, and playing them with friends and strangers alike, real time, will just sorta fade out as people start to move towards Natal? I dunno, but after watching the promo trailer on YouTube, and seeing the games that were played, it just looks incredibly new gen EyeToy-ish. I understand how technology evolves at incredible rates these days, and how knowledge is forever expanding, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Even if Natal does get popular (presuming that it works the way it should from launch), how would that fade Halo, Call of Duty, FIFA, Madden, and Xbox Live? It is still the xbox, no matter what type of accessory MS makes. Additionally, there is that possibility that older games could recieve natal support (unlikely, but it could happen). If natal launches without bugs, I still don't think it would replace a controller completely yet.

I hope you're right to be honest. I just feared that with a forever growing population of people into "active gaming" and prancing around on Wii Fit's e.t.c that (like you say, if it works) Natal's popularity would begin to outnumber those happy to use controllers, therefore see games based on controller input begin to decrease, because again as you rightly said, I can't see developers like EA and Bungie wanting to spend even more time, encorporating Natal's system into the making of the games. Plus it would take forever to make the games.

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 MrBrightside142 wrote:

I hope you're right to be honest. I just feared that with a forever growing population of people into "active gaming" and prancing around on Wii Fit's e.t.c that (like you say, if it works) Natal's popularity would begin to outnumber those happy to use controllers, therefore see games based on controller input begin to decrease, because again as you rightly said, I can't see developers like EA and Bungie wanting to spend even more time, encorporating Natal's system into the making of the games. Plus it would take forever to make the games.

Well, that might happen, where fitness and exercise games will come out for the xbox. Hopefully they don't become too popular where the developers would then focus more on getting their attention rather than hardcore gamers.

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this seems to be a case of the "hardcore" gamers throwing a tantrum because they're afraid Natals going to make the 360 like the Wii. check the forums, their are dozens upon dozens of so called "hardcore" gamers afraid that Natals going to take their controller away from them in games like Halo, ModernWarfare etc.

if people actually did a little bit of research instead of having knee jerk reactions they would realise that Natals not going to take anything away from the "hardcore gamers",or take their beloved controller away. if anything Natal may have the capability to run in the background within games like MW or Halo to bring head tracking therfore true3d within their beloved games.


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^check out headtracking for desktop Vr and tell me that this isnt something that people wouldnt want in their "hardcore gaming".

oh ya by the way the person thats showing the video is working on Natal...

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Here's my take on this.

Project Natal is not going to ruin anything. You, as a gamer still have the option to pick up the controller and use it. Remember, all this is, is options. Such as you have an option to buy a game disc, or download the game. What I mean is; Project Natal is meant for next generation gaming. It will have its own games and be essentially, its own system. This was designed, IMO, for a more interactive, "hands on" if you will, experience over the Wii. We're getting into the realm of Virtual Reality gaming.. something that has been tried before and has failed because the technology wasn't there. This will be one of the best, consumer affordable examples of AI gaming at its most advanced stages that will be available to the average consumer.

In your case(referring to OP), judging from your outlook on this, Project Natal won't be for you. It is not meant to be for everyone. But for some, such as me, who wouldn't mind taking a break from CoD4: MW(2), This will be a fine "vacation" from the hardcore gaming I tend to do. Not every hour of the day, or every minute I'm on my box, do I want to put a red dot between the eyes of a towel head on CoD4. All Microsoft see's is, how big of a jump off Nintendo got on the "intense" interaction of gaming with a person, by using a "wand" controller on the Wii.. and figured, "You know what? WE make some of the worlds best technology for computers, we work in perfect harmony with Intel to have some very mean and powerful machines. Let's make interractual gaming the Microsoft way, and show the world what we can do. BAM, Project Natal was born. (not by Microsoft in its entirety, of course)

I tend to agree with the OP in a way. I agree that Natal is JUST an option etc and I don't HAVE to buy it but I am interested to see it and would be keen to try it. I just hope, like the OP, that it doesn't become the ONLY way to control my X360 games. If it works in tandem with them then wonderful, I'd like to see how it will enhance my gaming, and I don't mind if people do develop games specifically for it but the depth just isnt there for me when it comes to these prancy fancy stand up and move your body games. My girlfriend has a Wii, my best mate has a Wii and the only time these 3 year old friendly machines get turned on is when people are round getting drunk and they get played for 5 minutes. Both people are strongly considering selling their Wii's as well. The fad has started to wear off and I just hope that Microsoft keep the controller because when the Natal fascination wears off, the consoles original target market will still be playing controller based games.

I go to the gym, I swim, I go to work I do various things. I don't feel we should be made to excercise and work out while playing games. When I get home I love to just sit down, crack on my xbox and blow *** up with my controller and friends. I just can't see how it WOULD replace the controller without games loosing a huge percentage of the depth that they currently have. But I do see the possibilities that will open up with it. It will certainly revolutionise the communication between gamers and the interaction with the various features of the new XBL experience and it will be interesting to see how it gets integrated in but I just don't fancy playing games where I have to stand up, talk, jump around, pretend to run on the spot and play tennis with thin air. its not my idea of a "Video Game". If I want to do all that I will just go outside and do it.

Anyway in summary, I am a little concerned that they will try to get it to replace controller based gaming but I am fairly confident that it won't work. I'd like to own a natal as long as the provisio is that they are not planning to entirely eliminate the use of the controller. They must be smart enough to see how it will effect their current user base.

And I love the fact that now, if you admit to loving the use of a controller your immediately labelled a "hardcore" gamer, thats pretty funny



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 Captain Crucify wrote:

I think it's just more competition with the Wii for the motion sensor capabilities. I already have a Wii so if this Project Natal is going to be a whole new system, I definitely will not be getting it.

It's not going to be a whole new system. It's just an accessory that will work with all Xbox 360s. And when this thing is finished, there will be no competition. The Wii is going to be left in the dust. I already personally think that the 360 and PS3 are all better than the Wii. I have a 360 and Wii, and I have not touched my Wii in so long. 1: Either most all the games for it suck, or 500 of them are of the same concept (ex. fishing). 2: It's the only new-gen console thats not HDMI compatible at all. I've done my research on both Natal and the Wii, and Natal is way more advanced than the Wii. Plus, the Wii requires the Wii remote for everything, and Natal just requires you. Add in a specially built microphone, a 3D sensor (compared to the Wii's 2D sensor) which tracks almost 50 individual parts of your body, facial recognition, 4-player playability, and a whole bunch of other crap, and there's Natal for you.

I think if they do it right it will be good. I know they have experimented with a vest and helmet with a heads up display. As far as I'm concerned it is just taking it to the next level. There are alot of unknowns right now for me. I'm afraid that it will go the way of WII:good idea but bad games. I hope that is not the case. I would love to see the next Elder Scrolls for Natal. That would be just too cool.

I agree, but I think that it will have a large effect on casual gamers. I mean the Xbox 360 is becoming more of a social tool and it may help Microsoft in the long haul. Establishing such technology now will help them figure out what attracts casual and jaded gamers alike.

 

After reading a section on it yesterday in OXM I feel alot better. I just hope that the game producers don't *** it up for us.

Im really pretty excited about what Natal could bring to video games. Will it replace the controller? Nope. MS Epic Infinity Ward Valve and all of the other developers that make shooters will most likely always use the controller.

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I'll agree that its a great piece of technology.. but I also disagree that it should be used for the 360. I've seen some of the videos for it, and it does look like it may change the gaming world.. but like you said technology comes and goes faster than anything else. Half of what was out two or three years ago is outdated today.. so yeah, it may just be something that is a hot topic for awhile, but will fade out of the spot light fast.

The 2 main reasons I bought my 360 was because of the games, and controller.. I'm not to crazy about the PS3 controller, considering it feels like they made a replica of the 360 only a different style. But to my knowledge, I have been told that Natal will not replace the controllers.. although.. that does leave me questioning if that's true or not.

To me, it seems like everyone is copying everyone... MS is mainly taking an idea from the Wii, and just making it so that there's no controller.. even the avaters... And what I'm trying to figure out is if, will the graphics be the same as they are now? For like, Call of Duty.. the graphics as we know it are very well done.. will that have an effect on Natal? Do you want to be sitting or standing for hours at a time holding a "air gun"?..

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I'm still mixed on this whole thing. Peter Molyneux said they had been working on it for the past 20 years but that the technology just caught up so I don't think that they are just copying Wii. Plus with the way Wii did it I think they put it together too fast and just threw it on the market when they could have really put more work into it and made it something really special.

I believe that Natal is a truly innovative piece of technology and I'm very excited to see what's to come but I doubt it'll kill gaming (with controllers).

Agreed.

no one is saying that it is not innovative or fantastic or anything, I am looking forward to seeing it I just hope that it isn't setup to totally replace the controller because I just do not feel these motion tracking games will have the same depth and scope that controller games do. The whole reason I never bothered with the WII is because it is purely a 5 minute fad for kids and drunk parties. It is fun for a little while but I am not interested in integrating healthy movement and excercise into my gaming, if I want excercise and fitness training etc I will go to the gym or go out on my bike.

Anyway, the Natal would be a fantastic "addition" to the 360 as a system, I do not mind it running in tandem with games and being integrated partially to enhance certain functions of the controller games and I even would be interested to see some Natal only games here and there but if they eventually phase out the controllers I think it will be a BIG mistake.

I'm just glad I kept all my retro consoles and controller systems incase the world turns into a horrible place with no controllers lol!! (notice my ability to laugh at myself ;) )


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i think that it will  i have a wii and it collects dust only to come out at parties .i think that natal is a novilty that will destroy the gaming community for those who love there controler. if this is the way of the future well then its  the playstation looks good . i just cant see jumping around with a air gun ducking around the livingroom playing bioshock 3 or any call of duty or any firstperson shooter. Then who is going to play 300.00 hundred dollars after they buy a 360 for 299.00 thats 599.00 for a system that will break down. i have played video games ever scince they came out in the early 80s .Nothing beats a  controler for accuracy and options.

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Nothing beats a  controler

Truer words have never been spoken.

If Project Natal replaces controllers, I am going to need a new life skill, because in my opinion, that would suck. To the person who mentioned the WII being a fad for parties and kids, I could not agree more. That is exactly what it is, it is an abysmal Nintendo console with a pathetic gimmick on it to attract the kids.

Natal will upset many people no matter how it comes out. The only downside to it's release is that it'll make some people happy.

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Thanks, I was affraid some people would bash the hell out of me. It just really bugs me when I play my games and then these people who ONLY own the WII think they know proper games, my girlfriend has a WII and it drives me mad!! I don't mind it for a giggle but all its done is create a niche market for the casual gamer.

And I think you mean the only UPSIDE to its release would be more money. I don't mind if it works WITH normal games and has a few of its own titles but if they try to remove the use of controllers they will find a MAJOR chunk of their consumer base will disappear. The WII is the console for casual gamers, they won't be able to get very far trying to enter that market, everyone in that market already owns a WII and about 3 games, WII Sports, WII Fit and Mario Kart, all the rest are CRAP!!!

 

 

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With my bad heart, and I can't go jumping around the room because of it, if I can't use my controller I will be gone, and head to the PC games for sure. What's wrong with this heading to the PC games is the computer freezing up often, more than I like it to, and all the virus crap t deal with. Overall, I want to keep my xbox controller, Natal will kill the live experience for gamers like myself.

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I have mixed feelings about it, so I came to conclusion that I will be (if this is actually possible, and if not, then I won't) playing some games with controller, while some look fun with natal, but not all. Also, because we get to play with other people online, have friend's list, we able to set up matches and what not to determine what games will be played in what way. I think it would be cool to have team of friends using natal, but sometimes just sitting back and using controller sounds great, too.
But if we have to choose, I agree with others, that I won't be getting it cause I already have the wii for that.