With today being the 10 anniversary of the Sega Dreamcast (R.I.P) Sega has decided to do something special for all of the Sonic fans out there. They revealed a teaser trailers for the next Sonic game! Oh and this one is 2D only and built from the ground up based on this. For everyone who's late to the game search "project needlemouse" on Google for more information. All I can say is that if it looks anything like the picture that "kingofthesharks" posted on the dubut trailer on gametrailers.com, we are in for something truly special!

His comment and the the teaser trailer can be found here
 http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-teaser-project-needlemouse/55693#comments_top

Oh and you might have to search through all of the comments (I found it on page 7) to find his comment and the picture that he submitted, but trust me when I say that it is defiantly worth looking for!!!

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Saw this a few hours ago ACTIVE LINK to video, can't wait for this one, hopefully Sega won't let me down.

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I can't believe everyone is so happy about this. It's almost a failure in itself that Sonic has been forced to devolve. He just couldn't grow to meet today’s standards and needs of the current gaming market so now he has to revert to his original platform. I'm a very longtime, die hard Sonic fan and I have played and loved all Sonic's games even Sonic06 so 2D of 3D I'll buy it. However, a completely 2D home console game in the year 2010 just sounds like a bad idea. Sure all the older Sonic fans that are in their 30s or something will be happy and maybe it'll get better reviews since critics are probably in that age range but the 90s are over and they're never coming back and I doubt going this route will bring Sonic back either.     

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I think you are wrong. Some games doesn´t need to evolve to 3D. Games like PacMan, Lemmings or Worms have tried and tried over the years to get into 3D, but it´s stupid. They just don´t belong to the 3D world. It´s like playing Gears of War in 2D, it just wouldn´t work.

Getting to 2D isn´t anything close to "devolve". In fact, most of latest Sonic games have devolved him more than evolving him: Swords, werehog, pirates... Come on, back in the day Sonic was for everyone, a good game in every way, not a childish game with horrible story and many pointless characters. When you can´t focus on the main character and you need to borrow someone else story to make a game, you are clearly wrong. Sonic 2006 has been one of the worst videogames I´ve played in my entire life, and I have played hundreds of them.

Maybe there are people who thinks Unleashed is evolving the franchise, but it´s devolving him too. Do you really think that just running pressing a dash and pushing some buttons in the correct order are the best for Sonic? I enjoyed Unleashed a lot, it´s a good game, but it´s far far away from what Sonic should be.

We have gotten plenty of 3D Sonic games, but none of them have been as great as the classic ones. In fact, good luck looking for people that actually think classic ones suck. If we can have a game as great as any of the Genesis/CD ones, count me in. No more pointless characters, no more big ugly creature final boss, no more stupid and pointless story, no more downgraded Eggman/Robotnik, no more generic enemies...

In fact, if the game is screwed up, I´m 100% sure it will be because it won´t be for being classic. It will have some of those things I´ve mentioned. In fact, the first bad feeling about the entire thing is that focus on "Speed". Ironically, Sonic doesn´t need to speed up, it needs to control better, and it needs to do something more than just run forward in a predefined course.

Let´s see how they do it, but going back to 2D is returning to what really made Sonic great. If Sonic started with those 3D games, it would be like Crash Bandicoot now.

Well, what about Nintendo's beloved Mario. Sonic was Mario's greatest rival "back in the day" when all games were in 2D. The two game play styles are kind of similar, the biggest difference is Sonic's Speed. However, Mario has changed with the years and been able to have a hugely successful venture into the 3D realm. Who didn't enjoy Super Mario Galaxy? Well in my eyes, Sonic is just as great if not greater than Mario, so why can't Sonic go toe to toe with him anymore. The Adventure games were great and in 3D, but I think you are right. There are too many pointless characters, bad stories, needless game play elements ect. But I think those are the things that should be fixed a forced full reversion to his classic style won't be his return to the limelight. Moreover, I have played all of Sonic's earlier 2D adventures and while I can see how they were so loved in the 90s they're a little boring by today's standards. People are used to bigger explosions, longer cut scenes and more expansive levels these days. Making guys in there 30's feel like they're thirteen again isn't going to get Sonic very far.

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And if they take away Sonic's ability to talk, my heart will break. One thing Sonic had that his rivals didn't was personality and of course additude.

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going to blunt but nobody cares if you don't like it, know ive got that out of way can't wait, maybe it'll be like updated version of sonic rivals with a bit of sonic unleashed.lol

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Of course, I'm just one person. You talking as if you're relaying some huge revelation to me but if this game only appeals to a smaller audience and it sells less copies because of it then Sega will defiantly care. Money makes the world go round.

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ye i think i kinda of get that but its sonic, that sells well, somehow i don't think its going to downhill due to well quite frankly quite a fraction of people will probably buy it on impulse, anyway im talking as in its sonic, think this topic more about what its about, not whether the sales will go up or down due it being a game which people will buy

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Well yeah, I'm still going to buy it too just because it is Sonic but I just hope this won't be a permenant stay for the main series Sonic games.

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Let me start off by saying that I am extremely excited about this game! Can't wait! Woot woot! Well anyway I think that this is just another thing that SEGA is flirting around with (just like all of the other ideas that they have had). The only difference with this idea is that a lot of the fans have been begging for this for the last couple of years. I don't have a problem with it, but I do agree with what XboxPlayerOmega said to a point. What about those fans that liked Sonic in 3D? Being a fan that grew up on the Sega Genesis I can look at it in both perspectives. The Sonic games on the Genesis were truly classics and I still have plenty of fun playing them today (Sonic 3 and Knuckles ftw!). Hell, the 2D Sonic games are the reason why I'm into video games today. On the other hand the 3D  Sonic games have had some struggles, but to me they (most of them) are still fun. I mean who doesn't like Sonic Adventure 1 and 2? And honestly if Sonic Team had taken their time with Sonic 06 it could have been truly something special. Lets face it, Sonic 06 is the closest thing we'll ever get to Sonic Adventure today unless they go back in that direction. Sonic Unleashed doesn't count because even though it was a fun game the Sonic gameplay was extremly linear compared to the Sonic Adventure series. I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that this new direction that Sonic Team is taking will not destroy to series. However, if the game is bad and if fans don't like it then fans have no one but themselves. Because for years lots of the fans have been crying and *** about how Sonic should go back to his roots or die. Simply put, you all asked for it, Sonic Team listened, so this is what you get.

Oh and by the way I'm not ranting or anything. Being a real die hard Sonic fan I truly am excited about this game and can't what for it. The only thing I want is a true sequel to the Sonic Adventure series. Maybe we'd have that if Yuji Naka never decided to turn his back on Sega....

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well sonic's sonic so in short the games were fun but bluntly as a 'hard core' fan i have to say don't blame Yuji Naka since its not easy to be original

oh sonic games are made for the fun of it, i think ur putting too much thought into a teaser

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well sonic's sonic so in short the games were fun but bluntly as a 'hard core' fan i have to say don't blame Yuji Naka since its not easy to be original

oh sonic games are made for the fun of it, i think ur putting too much thought into a teaser

Don't blame Yuji Naka? Yeah right. While it might not entirely be his fault he does share some of the blame. You don't leave a company and a game in the middle of development (Sonic 06) when your the executive producer of it. That's one of the reasons why Sonic 06 was so bad. Also when he left he took some of his best people with him. That's why Sonic Team if full of fresh college grads without much experience and that's one of the reasons why the franchise has been struggling. Don't get me wrong, I'm really grateful for Yuji Naka's contributions because without him there would be no Sonic, but you would have to be foolish to turn a blind eye and say Naka has no connection with Sonic's downhill spiral.

Oh and I'm not "putting too much thought into a teaser." I never said a thing about the teaser itself in my last comment. I was talking about the concept of the game not the teaser. Besides isn't that what teasers are made for???

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its a game, the games aren't that bad, by the way ur going on about sonic failing, doesn't make u 'hard-core fan' so in short im not turning a blind eye since i like the sonic nxt gen, haven't hated it once, im not persuaded by anyone but anyway its not the companys thats the problem, its the fans just like people nagged for weapons, we got shadow the hedgehog game, etc... people think too much into things, try to say that their opinion is wat everyone think but that isnt true

anyway its a bit hard to compare the sonic games since there different games plus sometimes change is better, they have to find more audiences besides the people who want to bring back the old sonic which quite frankly is never going to happen, i know you may say if he returns with his team then all will be fab again, i kind of disagree since legends like the person behind mario died, was shamed out of the industry later due to lack of ideas, a failed console design, etc... (ps i dnt mean cause of mario or the gb)

in short if its wants to move to something else its upto him, the next generation is for us to make, to make it better than the last or we'll always be in the last generations shadows so if u want a decent sonic game do what i do, go do a games design course, get into the industry cause thats were all the decisions are made

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its a game, the games aren't that bad, by the way ur going on about sonic failing, doesn't make u 'hard-core fan' so in short im not turning a blind eye since i like the sonic nxt gen, haven't hated it once, im not persuaded by anyone but anyway its not the companys thats the problem, its the fans just like people nagged for weapons, we got shadow the hedgehog game, etc... people think too much into things, try to say that their opinion is wat everyone think but that isnt true

anyway its a bit hard to compare the sonic games since there different games plus sometimes change is better, they have to find more audiences besides the people who want to bring back the old sonic which quite frankly is never going to happen, i know you may say if he returns with his team then all will be fab again, i kind of disagree since legends like the person behind mario died, was shamed out of the industry later due to lack of ideas, a failed console design, etc... (ps i dnt mean cause of mario or the gb)

in short if its wants to move to something else its upto him, the next generation is for us to make, to make it better than the last or we'll always be in the last generations shadows so if u want a decent sonic game do what i do, go do a games design course, get into the industry cause thats were all the decisions are made

First off I myself never said that the games or the franchise was bad or going downhill. What I posted in the last comment seems to be the general conciseness of what Sonic fans think of the series today (or at least from what I've seen). Also I have no idea where you got "ur going on about sonic failing, doesn't make u 'hard-core fan.'" Ummm.... yeah you completely lost me there as I never said any of that either.  Oh and btw I'm also a fan of Sonic 06 (minus the glitches and load times) so if you think that I hate all of the Sonic games after the Adventure series or whatever it might be that's false too. Anyway in your last comment you proved exactly the point I was trying to make when you said "its the fans just like people nagged for weapons, we got shadow the hedgehog game, etc..." Isn't that what I just said???? And no matter what anyone says I will always believe, and as much as it hurts me to say this, that Sonic Team has to share some of the blame too. I mean believe me I love those guys and they have been my favorite developer for years, but they have had their fare share of f**k ups. So all in all its a combination of Sonic Team and us the fans in my opinion. Oh and one more thing, I never said that if Yuji Naka were to return to Sonic Team everything would be "fab" again. Wow where are you getting this stuff from? lmao. You're doing a lot of assuming.

And another thing. Congrats on the fact that you are taking a game design course. That's big in my opinion and I have friends that are in school for the same thing. However, that's something that I'm just not interested in. Sure everyone likes video games and has great ideas, but if everyone were to take a game design course then get into the industry because they have great ideas this would be a sad world indeed. This is one of the reasons why forums are made. So that maybe, just maybe, a developer will skim through them and see all of the ideas that the fans have. And then maybe we will see them in the final product without having to get into the gaming industry and to all of that stuff. I mean face it. Everyone can't be game designers.

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"And then, a cat screeched" things have really gotten hot here, thats fun. Um, I think Sonic Unleashed is really underated but still really good none the less. And I think if they fixed a few elements and had some other things jazzed up, a Sonic Unleashed 2 could do well. Why they would want to make Sonic 2D again is beyond me but now that's I've thought about it, I really doubt 2D is the future of the main Sonic games. This is some kind of side venture. Finally I kind of agree with Drehill07 those computer guys don't make much money do they? Maybe you should reconsider your career. Like I said before, money makes the world go round.

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to be honest 1 million for sonic heroes doesnt seem like anyones to blame,seems to be a big success just like sonic unleashed 2 million which im not mistaken is alot for a 'fk' up but anyway to be blunt there good games, alot of detail were put into them, the storys were fun so when sonic needlemouse comes i will have faith just like all the others, yes money makes the world go around but actually game designers make quite alot more money, more than acting but if i was desp for money i would join the army for repairing satelites since there worth a fortune, anyway 2d is a future of sonic but its one of many, if everyone kept saying sonic riders was the only decent game then it would be biased to all the other types of sonic fans

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And the battle continues XboxPlayerOmega!!! But we're all friends here. lol. Evilronnie42 your sales figures are quite correct, but no one ever said that Sonic Heroes or Sonic Unleashed were f**k ups. They were very good games. However, Sonic Team has messed up on a few occasions. Every Sonic game after Sonic Heroes has not been a good one with Shadow the Hedgehog being a prime example. Oh and game disigners don't make more money then actors. I think your exaggerating just a little buddy. lol. If that's the case then they must be making more then actors that star in low buget or "no name" films. lmao.

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no i think u, so many others are 'exaggerating' i mean look at this way shadow the hedgehog had flaws, it was the wierd weapons but overall it was a fun game which that was what they was aiming for, sonic 06 may have been bad to some but only thing bugged me about that game was robotnik looked a bit odd, the load times which was annoying but apart from that it was a fun game, even the sonic ds/psp games were fun but the rpg version wasnt so much but it wasnt due to the game, more due to my rarely liking rpg's, no im not kidding if you get a successful game they tend to earn more, look heres a example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2007/sep/24/halo3amoviebeaterinprofit

and no i didnt think about halo at the time, just know about it, im not trying to compare 1 game to hundreds plus its not the first to do this

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And it continues..... you ever think that your opinion and just your opinion is just a little different then the Sonic community as a whole? No one ever said that your opinion was wrong. We just disagree.... a little. Shadow the Hedgehog may have sold well (im really not sure if it did or not) and that's only because of the name on the box, but the community as a whole thought the game was terrible. I promise you if you were to make a list of how may Sonic fans actually liked that game and compared it with those that didn't those that hated the game would outnumber thoses who liked it 10:1.

And yes the GAME INDUSTRY as a whole makes more then the movie industry, but game designers don't make more then actors. You tell me a game designer that makes more then 100 mill to make a game and I will be on mute.

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"http://www.animationarena.com/video-game-salary.html"

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im going to be blunt not all 'haters' think the series have gone down hill, just cause there are problems people still like it, so people don't like some of the games 'too hard' that theres reason

anyway those averages are based on quite alot of game companys but if you have ever done a ratio,etc... then you would know that theres tons of companys, smaller companys, those figures can be inaccurate by alot but if focused on the major companys like id or bestheda, etc... then maybe theres good wages but it all depends on whether you can make a gd idea or think in a creative way that amazes the company or you could just build a game company from the ground just like john carmack did

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Yes I've done my homework (I'm a finance major lmao). John Carmack makes alot of money but I doubt he makes over 100 mill for doing a single game where as actors can make that much from doing a single movie. Wah!!!!!!!!! What are we talking about game designer salaries for!? Let me stop myself. This post is suppose to be about Project Needlemouse!!!!

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yes you've made your point but sonic's sonic in fairness, the games were fun, thats one thing i think we can agree on but anyway bring on needlemouse, i can't think they called it that but hopefully it'll be a gd one

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A new 2.5D sonic will be great. I love 2.5D games, so as long as they keep the speed high and the levels looking like a rollercoaster, this game will be a must-buy for me.

All people bitched about was that Sonic wasn't like the old sonic.  Now with 06, Unleashed, and Project Needlemouse they're trying more and more to bring it back to old school sonic with major updates.  Personally, I loved Unleashed (yes I bought every dlc) daytime.  Night stages were... tolerable.  But day was all about speed, platforming, and yes near second timing with multiple routes in many areas.  If they just went and made a Daytime only Unleashed I would have been happy.  So, if even the teaser delivers on that, I'd call it rather a success.  The problem with Sonic games isn't even the games, it's the fans.  Seriously, we can't even agree on WHICH Sonic classic was best.  Example: Got in an argument with a friend who bitched about Unleashed being not like old school - He wants Sonic 1 platforming, my fave being Sonic 2 (if you love sonic 2 you live for Green Hill and Chemical Plant.  lol).

So you see, we can't even agree on what makes the best of the OLD games.  I almost feel bad for Sega who has tried to please the fans.  Has tried to expand the horizons.
Hopefully this time, whatever we actually need, they deliver in full just to shut our mouths for a year.

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