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   11-02-2009, 3:26 AM
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Just an update on the smartlink thread I started.Which now seems to have devolved into another argument.

 

I have taken a lot of flack lately about smartlink. This is in spite of the fact that it is a legitimate part of the game. My view is, you stop using teleport, and I will stop using smartlink. By the way, as I live in Australia, on the other side of the world, I actually need smartlink to reduce my levels of lag. I feel that if I use smartlink as a troll, it balances out my slower aspects. This is my choice.

 

However, some people are still very upset. I have even lost friends I have had on my list for a long time, such as Stormbringer777. He decided it was a good idea to send me abusive messages when I kept beating him and his team. It is not my fault that a long time shadowrun player is so easily beaten, is it?

 

Anyway, I have recently changed my gamertag, but most of you know me as Master Shake. If you are going to abuse me for using smartlink, go ahead and remove me from your friends list. I play for fun, not to have arguments.

 

And storm, how are we going to attract new players when you abuse people who don’t play as you would like them to. Even I am going to have a break from this game, as I am sick of getting into arguments with people. It's just a game, how about less agro and more playing.

 

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   11-02-2009, 3:34 AM
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By the way. One reason I changed my name is because I share the profile with my adolescent son. He does not need to be getting these messages when he is online. I swear, this community is getting worse by the day. Team killling, abuse, swearing and racism. Fun for all.


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   11-03-2009, 11:10 PM
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 Chairman Meow I wrote:
By the way. One reason I changed my name is because I share the profile with my adolescent son. He does not need to be getting these messages when he is online. I swear, this community is getting worse by the day. Team killling, abuse, swearing and racism. Fun for all.




Okay, confession time. I have increased my team killing because the community is getting worse. Sometimes you get frustrated with people, and since nobody has mics anymore (despite the fact that they are freakin free with the xbox) nothing gets the message out like bleeding them out with a katana.

If you have a good team with rez and mics you can say it was an accident and move on, but if nobody on your team has tree or rez it sends a rather strong message.

You should feel free to use Smart Link, it's a totally valid strategy that is overcome by the fact that you have lasers shooting out of your eyes. Seriously, how are people having so much trouble finding strategies to combat that.  Just get a bunch of your team mates to jump them with teleport and even if he kills one or two of you, you do have rez right?......I mean you are an elf on round 5? You don't? Oh, I guess I know who my next bleed-out will be.
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   11-04-2009, 2:48 AM
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Sorry it's come to this Master, err, lol Chairman Meow, one of these days you must tell me where that comes from :P

As you know, I've played more than a few games with you, and your play style has NEVER led me to believe you were anything but a team player, as well as non-abusive, not to mention your use of smart link was never over the top out of control as people seem to imply.

Sure there are some !d!ots that abuse it, but that is not even close in your case.

I'm actually sorry to hear that Storm has even said otherwise, especially as I've always seen him as like minded as us in our game play philosophy.

I would like to hear Storm's side as well, like I said, I've not known him to be anything but a good-natured player either.

Oh BTW, I seem to have a terrible time remember who people are once they've changed their online names, so you might need to remind me once in a while, I am old afterall, lol.

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   11-04-2009, 6:52 PM
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Storm?  You did?

I almost removed you by accident the other day too.  I was like who the heck  is Chairman Meow I?!  I figured it out through the SR forums eventually. 

Not to detract from the conversation, but why change your gamertag so often?  And why not at least update your Bio with the old name, so people will recognize who you are?

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   11-05-2009, 1:50 PM
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OP, you know you can set privacy settings so you only get messages from people in your FL and can only hear people in your FL? I have this setting because I play Street Fighter 4 competitively and at a reasonably high level and you practically can't win a game without getting abusive messages or 'chat glitched' afterwards from people who don't like the way you play (I use Dhalsim which means I tend to not let anyone get anywhere near me which is percieved as 'cheap').  Just an idea for you.

Back onto smartlink, my position is the same, it only works in public games against low level players.  Those who use smartlink and think they are reasonable/good at the game either a) agree to play arranged team matches with other fellow smartlinkers on their team and get destroyed (respect to them who do that), or b) refuse to play arranged team matches, claiming they play for fun or use some excuse like 'I don't have time for childish games' etc.  I am happy for people to use smartlink all they want though, because anyone with half a brain has smoke (and much sooner if loads of people are smartlinking on the other team).  Regarding your play (OP) I only ever recall being in your game once (since recognising you from the forums), and I am not going to say anything about your play, so don't worry, you did seem to be reasonable and that is all anyone can say (if anything) from meeting in a random public game.  Being a troll player with resurrect even by mid-game is saying something in itself and most the people I play with are happy to play with anyone who has a decent sense of team-play and non-selfishness.

Regarding stormbringer, he does do a fair share of complaining it seems, he wont know me because I can't hear him in game and he can't hear me (because of my privacy settings), I have had no issues etc with him.  If he reads this he will probably remember the day concerned below however.  Over the course of a week or so myself and a few friends noticed that he rarely waits out games when badly down, and one day in particular I was playing with the same 2 people in random public games (8vs8 games usually) and he ended up in a few of our games, and every one that was ending bad for him he left early, and 2 that ended prematurely by host quit, when we pulled up our list of recent players he was at the dashboard.  I told one of my party that he posted on the forums and it was brought up by the 2 people in my party (so he knew that we knew he posted on the forums) and they asked him was he going to quit out of this (the next game we entered that he was in) game as well as he was on the other team, as well as him refusing 1vs1's with someone in my party or an organised game of any size against people, after he sent a message to someone in my party (who messaged him about his quitting) saying 'wait until we meet again'. 

Well, we did meet again and to give him his due, once he knew that we recognised him from the forums he didn't quit straight away and only quit after the games ended, and after 2 consecutive 6-0 loses.  He did however go 0(kills)/8(deaths)/0(resurrects) and then 1/8/1 in the second game, to which someone in my party went on about so much that even I was bored hearing it, and although I could only hear half the conversation, I have to say someone in my party (a young boy who is extremely good at shadowrun) was being quite abusive and he seemed to be taking it well.  The other member of my party who could hear him also concluded that Stormbringer did seem a decent guy when it came down to it - we actually contemplated sending a FR but decided against it only because of the abuse he got from someone we regularly play with and thought it could give rise to some uncomfortable situations. 

The point though is yeah, Stormbringer was complaining about my parties use of EV, apparently all three of us were using it according to him, which is nonsense because I almost always play a troll and regularly have 5-10 resurrects a game, I simply don't have the essence for EV with my build (which is almost always Tree then Res to start with in rounds 1 and 2), I never use EV and always resurrect as a troll when I can, but more importantly even if we did all have EV then, so what?  That day the two people I was playing with would have had EV every game if they were a human, one after Tree, Res, Teleport, Smoke, and he would only be using it after all the EV'ers on the other team were dead (he uses it so our party/team knows where enemy EV'ers are, rendering them little threat, and then only after they are all dead so he is not giving his position away), and if the other player was human then he would have it very late game after all of Tree, Res, Teleport, Smoke, Gust, AM's, glider (map dependent), strangle (ninja troll dependent), minion (multiple troll dependent) - basically so late in the game that it barely would be noticeable.  Summary, one of three of us may have been using EV early-mid game (round 5 earliest).

The Shadowrun community needs to man-up a little though and accept both EV and Smartlink are in the game to be used (so yeah OP I agree, use it all you want).  Where I (and the people I regularly play with) differ with my views is that I have not ever seen a person who has smartlink as part of his/her regular/staple build ever do well in an organised team vs team game (and 1vs1 as well, as if 1vs1 means anything though), because smartlink actually isn't that good when people play as a team together, especially when they all expect to be buying smoke reasonably early to counter (a good teams) EV.  The joke about these two 'lame' buys (according to some people) is that they are both countered by the same thing - smoke, but yet many a time I am in a game where everyone except me and a few others has smartlink and I will look at my teams buys and only myself and maybe one or two other people have smoke...  The problem with smartlink is simply that it does work in public games against people who do not seem to be wise on how to deal with it, and even the best players can be cut down fast in public games because smartlinkers on the other team get the easy kills early game against the idiots running about themselves, allowing them to keep up in the magic/tech race.  In private games this doesn't happen, they achieve very little with smartlink before the other team all has smoke, and at that point smartlink was a wasted buy that didn't help them early game, and now is little more than a 2000 costing tech that does nothing but stop them team killing (which should be a rarity anyway except for bad/gusted back grenades), and uses up a slot that probably would be better served with something else (eg smoke [counter EV] or Gust [counter smoke] etc).
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   11-05-2009, 11:54 PM
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i love the way everyone is turning on storm.  Smartlink is fine - people who die from it again and again and then complain, are bad players because they dont learn.


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   11-06-2009, 8:39 PM
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Shake,
Everytime Ive seen you you play as a troll. While I think it's a cop out to use I think it's part of the game and while I'll call someone weak for using it I'll just by smoke to counter it. But as a troll, you need SL, most trolls at some point in time will use a minigun. I hate getting mowed down by a troll who is spraying into a crowd of people without SL.

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   11-06-2009, 10:55 PM
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Smartlink is needed on the PC. Xbox players have auto aim; PC players dont. No xbox player should be using smartlink, because they already have autoaim.

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   11-07-2009, 1:48 AM
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 o ShanKs wrote:
Smartlink is needed on the PC. Xbox players have auto aim; PC players dont. No xbox player should be using smartlink, because they already have autoaim.
Smartlink is definitely NOT needed on the PC. Once you learn to aim well you will have no problem out gunning the xbox kiddies. And yes, I am on PC using keyboard and mouse and have no problems when playing privates with some of the better players in this game.
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   11-07-2009, 2:01 AM
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the question now becomes is Stormbringer actually yadoo under another name lol
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   11-07-2009, 6:07 PM
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 o ShanKs wrote:
Smartlink is needed on the PC. Xbox players have auto aim; PC players dont. No xbox player should be using smartlink, because they already have autoaim.
Smartlink is definitely NOT needed on the PC. Once you learn to aim well you will have no problem out gunning the xbox kiddies. And yes, I am on PC using keyboard and mouse and have no problems when playing privates with some of the better players in this game.


I personally don't use Smart Link, but I mean there's no excuse for using it on Xbox. That's what I'm saying.

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   11-08-2009, 4:16 AM
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 hobblejp wrote:
the question now becomes is Stormbringer actually yadoo under another name lol

That's a low blow man, stormbringer is a lot cooler than that.

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   11-10-2009, 5:22 AM
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Sorry I apologize. it's been kinda stressfully lately and the 4 guys on your team on Poco who all had EV & SL Kinda pushed me over the edge. I should have sent the message to one of them instead. I saw your name and I was drawn to it for some reason. Seriously though getting pinged constantly was a bit much no matter where I went there was 4 guys with SL waiting. Plus we had no Troll and your Ev ping followed by a Troll with SL Minigun blazing around the corner knowing we were already there was really frustrating. Smoke does not counter EV on Poco very well and I refuse to buy EV even for it's passive detection ability.
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   11-11-2009, 11:27 PM
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Your post is full of logical fallacies.  How in the world does smartlink reduce lag?  And if you want to offset the troll's slowness.....wouldn't wired be a much more effective use of one of your slots? How does smartlink make the troll faster? If you need smartlink..... fine.... just admit that you need it.  That's a whole other story than saying I use smartlink but it doesn't give me any kind of aiming advantage. 

The fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of Shadowrun devotees who have no respect for a player that uses smartlink... especially those that make it a standard part of their build.... and they are going to voice their opinions about it.  If it really bothers you hearing their opinions... the best option might be to adjust your privacy settings... because you are not going to change those people's opinions.

I still challenge anyone who uses smartlink on a daily basis to just stop using it completely for at least two weeks, and then see how their attitude about smartlink changes. 

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   11-11-2009, 11:33 PM
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Your post is full of logical fallacies.  How in the world does smartlink reduce lag?  And if you want to offset the troll's slowness.....wouldn't wired be a much more effective use of one of your slots? How does smartlink make the troll faster? If you need smartlink..... fine.... just admit that you need it.  That's a whole other story than saying I use smartlink but it doesn't give me any kind of aiming advantage. 

The fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of Shadowrun devotees who have no respect for a player that uses smartlink... especially those that make it a standard part of their build.... and they are going to voice their opinions about it.  If it really bothers you hearing their opinions... the best option might be to adjust your privacy settings... because you are not going to change those people's opinions.

I still challenge anyone who uses smartlink on a daily basis to just stop using it completely for at least two weeks, and then see how their attitude about smartlink changes. 

If your a Troll player who uses minigun or anyone using the rocket launcher will really have a problem without smartlink, seriously those weapons without smartlink do more harm to your team than the enemy team, the are the only weapons in the game where Smartlink is basically required to use them
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   11-11-2009, 11:50 PM
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 Unique UpOn It wrote:
Your post is full of logical fallacies.  How in the world does smartlink reduce lag?  And if you want to offset the troll's slowness.....wouldn't wired be a much more effective use of one of your slots? How does smartlink make the troll faster? If you need smartlink..... fine.... just admit that you need it.  That's a whole other story than saying I use smartlink but it doesn't give me any kind of aiming advantage. 

The fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of Shadowrun devotees who have no respect for a player that uses smartlink... especially those that make it a standard part of their build.... and they are going to voice their opinions about it.  If it really bothers you hearing their opinions... the best option might be to adjust your privacy settings... because you are not going to change those people's opinions.

I still challenge anyone who uses smartlink on a daily basis to just stop using it completely for at least two weeks, and then see how their attitude about smartlink changes. 

If your a Troll player who uses minigun or anyone using the rocket launcher will really have a problem without smartlink, seriously those weapons without smartlink do more harm to your team than the enemy team, the are the only weapons in the game where Smartlink is basically required to use them

um dont get me wrong but i dont think smartlink is needed for the rocket launcher...and if you know which side your on, you really dont need smartlink to begin with.
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   11-11-2009, 11:54 PM
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 hobblejp wrote:
 Unique UpOn It wrote:
Your post is full of logical fallacies.  How in the world does smartlink reduce lag?  And if you want to offset the troll's slowness.....wouldn't wired be a much more effective use of one of your slots? How does smartlink make the troll faster? If you need smartlink..... fine.... just admit that you need it.  That's a whole other story than saying I use smartlink but it doesn't give me any kind of aiming advantage. 

The fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of Shadowrun devotees who have no respect for a player that uses smartlink... especially those that make it a standard part of their build.... and they are going to voice their opinions about it.  If it really bothers you hearing their opinions... the best option might be to adjust your privacy settings... because you are not going to change those people's opinions.

I still challenge anyone who uses smartlink on a daily basis to just stop using it completely for at least two weeks, and then see how their attitude about smartlink changes. 

If your a Troll player who uses minigun or anyone using the rocket launcher will really have a problem without smartlink, seriously those weapons without smartlink do more harm to your team than the enemy team, the are the only weapons in the game where Smartlink is basically required to use them

um dont get me wrong but i dont think smartlink is needed for the rocket launcher...and if you know which side your on, you really dont need smartlink to begin with.

well unless you're planning and standing still with it then its pretty essential as theres a huge area it could it same with the minigun, it doesn matter if your good or not because unless your very close the accuracey lets the weapons down hence the need for smartlink to use those two weapons.
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   11-12-2009, 7:16 AM
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Sorry I apologize. it's been kinda stressfully lately and the 4 guys on your team on Poco who all had EV & SL Kinda pushed me over the edge. I should have sent the message to one of them instead. I saw your name and I was drawn to it for some reason. Seriously though getting pinged constantly was a bit much no matter where I went there was 4 guys with SL waiting. Plus we had no Troll and your Ev ping followed by a Troll with SL Minigun blazing around the corner knowing we were already there was really frustrating. Smoke does not counter EV on Poco very well and I refuse to buy EV even for it's passive detection ability.


No worries. I was probably being over sensitive myself, and I hope we can play together in the future. This game can be very frustrating, and it is a love hate relationship between me and this game. I am currently having a break to enjoy dragon age and modern warfare, but I will always be drawn back later.

To others, namely Uniqueuponit: I am not arguing that smartlink does not improve my aim, it clearly does. I am also of the opinion that it does help me avoid the slight lag I experience by taking less time to kill enemies. You are free to dissagree. It does not make me 'faster' as a troll, it allows me to kill people faster.

The point is this; If I want to use it, what right to people have to tell me I cannot. I may listen if I am on their team, but I will not stop using it because it makes me kill my enemies faster. That is simply illogical.

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   11-12-2009, 7:21 PM
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Truthfully, I can't imagine how much it helps with the lag Master Shake (Chairman Meow) gets with it, I know for a fact that he and others I play with from Australia and the UK experience a lot of lag when playing with a group that is mostly north american, so maybe it is quite possible that it does make a difference for him.
And to be honest, I've played along with him long enough that I have no doubts as to his character.  So I believe him.

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   11-13-2009, 2:06 AM
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 Chairman Meow I wrote:
 StormBringer777 wrote:
Sorry I apologize. it's been kinda stressfully lately and the 4 guys on your team on Poco who all had EV & SL Kinda pushed me over the edge. I should have sent the message to one of them instead. I saw your name and I was drawn to it for some reason. Seriously though getting pinged constantly was a bit much no matter where I went there was 4 guys with SL waiting. Plus we had no Troll and your Ev ping followed by a Troll with SL Minigun blazing around the corner knowing we were already there was really frustrating. Smoke does not counter EV on Poco very well and I refuse to buy EV even for it's passive detection ability.


No worries. I was probably being over sensitive myself, and I hope we can play together in the future. This game can be very frustrating, and it is a love hate relationship between me and this game. I am currently having a break to enjoy dragon age and modern warfare, but I will always be drawn back later.

To others, namely Uniqueuponit: I am not arguing that smartlink does not improve my aim, it clearly does. I am also of the opinion that it does help me avoid the slight lag I experience by taking less time to kill enemies. You are free to dissagree. It does not make me 'faster' as a troll, it allows me to kill people faster.

The point is this; If I want to use it, what right to people have to tell me I cannot. I may listen if I am on their team, but I will not stop using it because it makes me kill my enemies faster. That is simply illogical.

Sorry again for the over reaction storm.




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   11-13-2009, 6:16 PM
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JUST BUY SMOKE!!!
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   11-13-2009, 6:27 PM
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 hobblejp wrote:
 BloodravenD wrote:
 hobblejp wrote:
 Unique UpOn It wrote:
Your post is full of logical fallacies.  How in the world does smartlink reduce lag?  And if you want to offset the troll's slowness.....wouldn't wired be a much more effective use of one of your slots? How does smartlink make the troll faster? If you need smartlink..... fine.... just admit that you need it.  That's a whole other story than saying I use smartlink but it doesn't give me any kind of aiming advantage. 

The fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of Shadowrun devotees who have no respect for a player that uses smartlink... especially those that make it a standard part of their build.... and they are going to voice their opinions about it.  If it really bothers you hearing their opinions... the best option might be to adjust your privacy settings... because you are not going to change those people's opinions.

I still challenge anyone who uses smartlink on a daily basis to just stop using it completely for at least two weeks, and then see how their attitude about smartlink changes. 

If your a Troll player who uses minigun or anyone using the rocket launcher will really have a problem without smartlink, seriously those weapons without smartlink do more harm to your team than the enemy team, the are the only weapons in the game where Smartlink is basically required to use them

um dont get me wrong but i dont think smartlink is needed for the rocket launcher...and if you know which side your on, you really dont need smartlink to begin with.

well unless you're planning and standing still with it then its pretty essential as theres a huge area it could it same with the minigun, it doesn matter if your good or not because unless your very close the accuracey lets the weapons down hence the need for smartlink to use those two weapons.

yea but it s a rocket launcher. not exactly something that either better accuracy or more damage would be needed with.
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   11-16-2009, 2:04 AM
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Maybe I can try to explain my objection to smartlink a bit better than I have in the past.  Shadowrun, almost more than any other FPS is really about the skills of the player.... rather than who can race to the best weapons first, or other such strategies we see in so many other FPS's.  Depending on the build you choose.... you can really highlight your particular skillset. 

When I see someone wire at just the right moment and angle to perfectly put their shotgun right in the enemy's chest, I can admire that.  When I see someone artfully gust a grenade right back at the enemy that just tossed it at them, I think to myself "now that's skill."  When I see someone hit all their teleport points with precision, and gust glide perfectly to reach their destination... I am envious of their technique.  The same can be said for pretty much every other tech and magic..... they all take some level of skill to utilize effectively..... except for smartlink and ev.  They take no skill whatsoever to use, none.  In fact... they actually reduce the amount of skill that a player needs to have in order to be successful in the game.  There's nothing at all to admire or respect about it's use. 

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   11-16-2009, 5:03 AM
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They take no skill whatsoever to use, none.  In fact... they actually reduce the amount of skill that a player needs to have in order to be successful in the game.  There's nothing at all to admire or respect about it's use. 

I disagree, about EV at least. Sure anyone can use it to sneak up on people but a skilled player can use it to coordinate ambushes with their team. I don't use it often but when I do I call out locations with the controller and the mic and I don't directly engage usually. On top of that I use it to watch the remaining enemies and see if they're backing up the person about to be ambushed.

So yeah, any idiot can use EV but when used with some skills it's a different story.

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   11-16-2009, 6:19 PM
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 Unique UpOn It wrote:
They take no skill whatsoever to use, none.  In fact... they actually reduce the amount of skill that a player needs to have in order to be successful in the game.  There's nothing at all to admire or respect about it's use. 

I disagree, about EV at least. Sure anyone can use it to sneak up on people but a skilled player can use it to coordinate ambushes with their team. I don't use it often but when I do I call out locations with the controller and the mic and I don't directly engage usually. On top of that I use it to watch the remaining enemies and see if they're backing up the person about to be ambushed.

So yeah, any idiot can use EV but when used with some skills it's a different story.
Just saying.... ambushing and attacking an enemy is of course much easier when you know exactly where that enemy is at all times. It takes much more skill to ambush/attack an enemy when all you have to figure out where they are going is your knowledge of the map, and your player instincts.

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   11-17-2009, 2:50 AM
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 UnyoBro wrote:
 Unique UpOn It wrote:
They take no skill whatsoever to use, none.  In fact... they actually reduce the amount of skill that a player needs to have in order to be successful in the game.  There's nothing at all to admire or respect about it's use. 

I disagree, about EV at least. Sure anyone can use it to sneak up on people but a skilled player can use it to coordinate ambushes with their team. I don't use it often but when I do I call out locations with the controller and the mic and I don't directly engage usually. On top of that I use it to watch the remaining enemies and see if they're backing up the person about to be ambushed.

So yeah, any idiot can use EV but when used with some skills it's a different story.
Just saying.... ambushing and attacking an enemy is of course much easier when you know exactly where that enemy is at all times. It takes much more skill to ambush/attack an enemy when all you have to figure out where they are going is your knowledge of the map, and your player instincts.

Well in my scenario you'd need to know the maps well and have good instincts too. You just can't accept that EV isn't some noob cheat device. It can be used well and fairly. It can also be abused like a lot of other aspects of FPS games. It's up to the player. If someone is abusing EV or SL then people need to step up and either kill them or vote them out.

Btw trying to set up an ambush in SR without EV is practically worthless. People can teleport/glide around you and you will probably have no idea, thus ruining it. To really ambush you need EV.

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   11-18-2009, 9:38 PM
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Re: Update on the smartlink debate.
It all depends on perception. "Nooblink" can be a good or bad thing. I find sniping without it to be a pain. But when you're seeing an entire team of Linking elves with smgs, something's gotta give. "Buy Gust?!", no. Gust only works for a split second, giving you a chance to tele out of there. And if like me, you end up being the main rezzer (a game where I was 0-8 - 22 comes to mind...), you don't have enough essence to gust and tele within that time frame.

I don't mind the occasional user, but when I see entire teams using it, as I have often seen, something's gotta be give.

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