MonkRug wrote:

 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 

Man utd invited him for a training session, and they sent him back because they were not that impressed with him.

THEY DID?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, then he must not be any good. *sarcasm*

And we all know that all of Man U.'s personnel decisions always work out right? bahahahaha

they geit it right a lot more often than they get it wrong, fact is, they heard all the hype, invited him over and realised he was nothing special.

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Just want to add my 2p to the debate....

I'm English. My own experience of the MLS is limited to FIFA, FM and the very occasional game on TV. Watching the MLS games after following a top flight English Team for 25 years is, well, different.

The quality and speed of the game is much lower in MLS football. There is much more time and space on the ball and it is not nearly as physically demanding as the Prem. I guess this is partly down to the wage cap, and partly because the league is still very, very young and reletively unestablished. If they get the paying public through the turnstiles then slowly but surely the quality  of football will improve. This is just a natural growth of the league and hence the clubs and players.

Let's not forget that the overall quality of football enjoyed by us Englanders was not always of as high a standard as it is now. Of course, you had some teams that were playing 'the beautiful game' way back in the early 60s (*cough* see my avatar *cough*), but much of the league kicked absolute lumps out of each other rather than outplay each other. The influx of foreign players has massively increased not only the quality but the diversity of the football.

So in closing, yes the MLS is of a lower quality than the Prem, but so what?  So is the English League 2,  but the clubs still have lots of fans who enjoy watching 'their' team play.


PS on the Adu debate (I'm assuming it's Adu due to the 'trained at Utd and was sent packing' post) I think the biggest problem that faces players coming into the English league is the brutal physicality of it. Unless you are absolutely supreme technically, or have a team built around you (in other words, have players that make up for your weaknesses playing in positions around you) you are going to find it very tough if you are of slight build. (which he looks from what I've seen of him)
He may be absolutely blinding in the MLS, but the Prem is a whole new stratosphere. He may do better in less physical European league such as Spain.
If, as someone posted earlier he relies on his pace alone, that will not get him very far in the Premiership, as the defenders will suss you out pretty quickly.

But, anyway, Footy is a global sport and a universal language and a few other cliches. Spread the love of the beautiful game, not ridiclous hatred based on nothing other than geographical location.

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 Subway Dave wrote:

Just want to add my 2p to the debate....

I'm English. My own experience of the MLS is limited to FIFA, FM and the very occasional game on TV. Watching the MLS games after following a top flight English Team for 25 years is, well, different.

The quality and speed of the game is much lower in MLS football. There is much more time and space on the ball and it is not nearly as physically demanding as the Prem. I guess this is partly down to the wage cap, and partly because the league is still very, very young and reletively unestablished. If they get the paying public through the turnstiles then slowly but surely the quality  of football will improve. This is just a natural growth of the league and hence the clubs and players.

Let's not forget that the overall quality of football enjoyed by us Englanders was not always of as high a standard as it is now. Of course, you had some teams that were playing 'the beautiful game' way back in the early 60s (*cough* see my avatar *cough*), but much of the league kicked absolute lumps out of each other rather than outplay each other. The influx of foreign players has massively increased not only the quality but the diversity of the football.

So in closing, yes the MLS is of a lower quality than the Prem, but so what?  So is the English League 2,  but the clubs still have lots of fans who enjoy watching 'their' team play.


PS on the Adu debate (I'm assuming it's Adu due to the 'trained at Utd and was sent packing' post) I think the biggest problem that faces players coming into the English league is the brutal physicality of it. Unless you are absolutely supreme technically, or have a team built around you (in other words, have players that make up for your weaknesses playing in positions around you) you are going to find it very tough if you are of slight build. (which he looks from what I've seen of him)
He may be absolutely blinding in the MLS, but the Prem is a whole new stratosphere. He may do better in less physical European league such as Spain.
If, as someone posted earlier he relies on his pace alone, that will not get him very far in the Premiership, as the defenders will suss you out pretty quickly.

But, anyway, Footy is a global sport and a universal language and a few other cliches. Spread the love of the beautiful game, not ridiclous hatred based on nothing other than geographical location.

/rambling mode off

Nice intelligent, thoughtful post, Subway. Good to see others don't look down as much on us North American footy fans and our "lesser league". You hit the nail on the head with the League 2 comparison. MLS is what we have over here, so we enjoy it.

BTW, I loosely follow 'Spurs, and it looks like this year could be tough if we lose both Berbs and Keane. I wonder what Ramos has in-store...

Come to Finland if u wanna see crappy football (soccer).

I refuse to crap all over Finnish sports, mostly because they produce some of the best hockey players in the world. Thanks for Teemu Selanne, Finland!

 buzzguy76 wrote:

I refuse to crap all over Finnish sports, mostly because they produce some of the best hockey players in the world. Thanks for Teemu Selanne, Finland!

i agree on the hockey part. I LOVE SM-LIIGA!!!! and NHL too

Its more than just UK soccer vs US soccer. Its Just UK vs. US rivalry all in all.

Just like they probably get *** for their less than mediocre football(the american version not soccer) that UK has compared to the american game.

It'll never end and its not about soccer or anything else... They just cant forgive us for hopping on a 1st gen cruise ship (lol) and making a power house of a country.

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Lets just say that the US Football team isnt living up to the expectations.

They havent done anything great and thats sort of why there is more interest in Nascar or Baseball or Basketball in the US.

And I dont know but maybe tje American goverment doesnt put any interest in Soccer in America.

A little bit more time with this problem and it will be fine.

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 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 

Man utd invited him for a training session, and they sent him back because they were not that impressed with him.

THEY DID?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, then he must not be any good. *sarcasm*

And we all know that all of Man U.'s personnel decisions always work out right? bahahahaha

they geit it right a lot more often than they get it wrong, fact is, they heard all the hype, invited him over and realised he was nothing special.

And so because he didn't get signed by the best team in the world, he's not that good?

LOL, that's some seriously screwed up logic you have there.

And he has done very well for Benfica who signed him just this year, and they're a pretty highly respected team so I'm not real sure what your problem is here.

Oh, and again he's 19 FLIPPIN YEARS OLD, and he grew up in the U.S which doesn't have the developmental infrastructure of Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Italy and Germany, so he's not gonna realize his potential at 19.

I hate to say it but MLS is just boaring i mean dont get me wrong i like the San Jose Earthquakes but its not the same people are just not into it like in europe, and realy getting other players from big team is just a waist of us money

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Im looking for fans of MLS or people who are sick of playing the same teams all the time.

My new web site www.totalsoccer.ulmb.com is a MLS beapro league i sick of all the European leagues out there so though why not do something new.

If you are up for it and will not quit after one game come on board.

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 MonkRug wrote:

 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

 JONBOY1977 wrote:

 MonkRug wrote:

Well, he's never played in any top-flight leagues so how exactly do you know how he would fare?

"his tactic for taking on opponents is to knock the ball past them and hope he can beat them for pace"

There are a bunch of players in top-flight leagues that use that same approach and it seems to serve them well. Again, he's a 19-year-old kid, you have no idea how he'd fare in Italy, Spain or Germany.

 

Man utd invited him for a training session, and they sent him back because they were not that impressed with him.

THEY DID?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, then he must not be any good. *sarcasm*

And we all know that all of Man U.'s personnel decisions always work out right? bahahahaha

they geit it right a lot more often than they get it wrong, fact is, they heard all the hype, invited him over and realised he was nothing special.

And so because he didn't get signed by the best team in the world, he's not that good?

LOL, that's some seriously screwed up logic you have there.

And he has done very well for Benfica who signed him just this year, and they're a pretty highly respected team so I'm not real sure what your problem is here.

Oh, and again he's 19 FLIPPIN YEARS OLD, and he grew up in the U.S which doesn't have the developmental infrastructure of Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, Italy and Germany, so he's not gonna realize his potential at 19.

 

 

You invited the discussion about how good he is by claiming he looked pretty good when he was blowing past the argentine defence. I was just countering that argument by saying he can't be that good if he did not stand out when he was having training sessions at Man Utd.

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 Total Upper 90 wrote:

Hi

Im looking for fans of MLS or people who are sick of playing the same teams all the time.

My new web site www.totalsoccer.ulmb.com is a MLS beapro league i sick of all the European leagues out there so though why not do something new.

If you are up for it and will not quit after one game come on board.

Hey man. I'm interested in online MLS stuff, not so sure if I'd be into Be a Pro, though. Nice website, BTW.

 buzzguy76 wrote:

 Total Upper 90 wrote:

Hi

Im looking for fans of MLS or people who are sick of playing the same teams all the time.

My new web site www.totalsoccer.ulmb.com is a MLS beapro league i sick of all the European leagues out there so though why not do something new.

If you are up for it and will not quit after one game come on board.

Hey man. I'm interested in online MLS stuff, not so sure if I'd be into Be a Pro, though. Nice website, BTW.

Thanks bud i did it cos every time im online its the same teams everytime.

I think people are scared to play as other teams sometimes.

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I usually end up playing as either Toronto or Bayern online. Hardly ever see either of those teams.

I've played as New England a decent amount of times and even beat people playing as Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea.

If you're strategy is solid and you know how to play to the atrong points of your team then you can beat some chump who only plays as Man U. or Chelsea all the time to up his stats.

heres a quick sentence to answer the question. the reason there is so much hate is because the MLS puts a team of all stars together so they can TRY to beat Westham....  LOL

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Hey man, they beat Chelsea and Celtic the last couple of years. There will be some good players on the pitch again this year, so it'll be a tough fight for the Hammers.

Lets not forget that this is an XBOX 360 forum, having said that let your game play on fifa speak for it self.  I am an American and have no problem out strategizing these euros.  I have played all my life the sport is the sport you can say its perceived and interpreted differently in different countries, but the rules are the same.  Let them say what they want, who gives a hoot.

I don't think that people hate the U.S and the MLS, people might just not like playing with teams from the MLS because they are rated too low and about the U.S there are many Americans(not only americans but people from all over the world but I have seen many americans) who are all they insulting everyone who joins the room so that is why people generalize who they are and thats what happens with everything.

ok freddy 19 but we cant forget all of those players that were 19 and were far better than him
messi.,giovanni dos santos maybe i mean he played for barca anderson, and lot more

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How are you gonna say many americans and then be like "all they insulting everyone?"
well insulting has to come from somewhere, I hate when people act like you know nothing about soccer just because your from the USA, kiss it, because its just a game, you dont need to hate on people for liking a sport just because its bigger in your country.  they can take their better more skillful football (that is great), but they cant take the soccer out of America.

Stop wingeing, ffs I don't care that people have a go at the MLS - lets be honest it's a 2 bit league which cannot compare to the premiership and spain etc, I wouldn't care if people had a go at the premership because i love it and thats all that counts, the MLS is what it is a 2nd rate football nation which we can offload has-beens to eg. david beckham for millions of pounds.

YOU WANT TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS OTHER FOOTBALL NATIONS???

THEN....

1. stop calling football ((soccer)) you've even got beckham saying it lol.

2. make football the number 1 sport in the usa - (only usa citizens can do that)

3. give us something out of the usa football wise and ffs dont say B.MCBRIDE lmao...

finally we don't have a go at other leagues ie n.ireland,malta etc because no other nation moans about it

 

 Hirstyuk wrote:

Stop wingeing, ffs I don't care that people have a go at the MLS - lets be honest it's a 2 bit league which cannot compare to the premiership and spain etc, I wouldn't care if people had a go at the premership because i love it and thats all that counts, the MLS is what it is a 2nd rate football nation which we can offload has-beens to eg. david beckham for millions of pounds.

YOU WANT TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS OTHER FOOTBALL NATIONS???

THEN....

1. stop calling football ((soccer)) you've even got beckham saying it lol.

2. make football the number 1 sport in the usa - (only usa citizens can do that)

3. give us something out of the usa football wise and ffs dont say B.MCBRIDE lmao...

finally we don't have a go at other leagues ie n.ireland,malta etc because no other nation moans about it

 

how about #4 which has more actually wud help unlike ur pointless 1-3. how about we just get better players and keep improving like the league has been (slowly)  but seriously wtf does it matter if we call it soccer????? wtf does that matter lol!

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 DontDoThat2Them wrote:

 Hirstyuk wrote:

Stop wingeing, ffs I don't care that people have a go at the MLS - lets be honest it's a 2 bit league which cannot compare to the premiership and spain etc, I wouldn't care if people had a go at the premership because i love it and thats all that counts, the MLS is what it is a 2nd rate football nation which we can offload has-beens to eg. david beckham for millions of pounds.

YOU WANT TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS OTHER FOOTBALL NATIONS???

THEN....

1. stop calling football ((soccer)) you've even got beckham saying it lol.

2. make football the number 1 sport in the usa - (only usa citizens can do that)

3. give us something out of the usa football wise and ffs dont say B.MCBRIDE lmao...

finally we don't have a go at other leagues ie n.ireland,malta etc because no other nation moans about it

 

how about #4 which has more actually wud help unlike ur pointless 1-3. how about we just get better players and keep improving like the league has been (slowly)  but seriously wtf does it matter if we call it soccer????? wtf does that matter lol!

STOP BUYING OUR HASBEENS 30 odd year olds then - get a solid youth academy set up and start bringing in some good talent - ffs do u want every other nation to wipe ur *** for you??? nobody helped the uk or spain etc. the only reason beckham went to usa is because he thought his england playing days were over and he wanted a fat pay cheque b4 retirement....

The reason the rest of the world doesnt like the MLS is simple most people in the United States make fun of Football-Soccer as a whole so why would anyone care a about a league thats in a country that doesnt respect the sport? Those people who say American Football sux you are just as ignorant as the people who make fun of European Football. American Football is one of the best sports ever people should try to understand the game rather than just decide to hate it just because it has the same name as a sport in Europe and the rest of the world. The US national team is no were near as bad as some people say i would put them around Mexico level and they have been getting better over the last couple years and i can see them pulling of some upsets over teams like England and France i mean if anyone has kept track of them lately they drew with Argentina last month and kept a close game with Spain only losing 1-0 so people shouldnt dismiss the U.S. team so easily.

TORONTO FC!!!!!!!

 

Yeah MLS is brutal. I hate and love watching it.. haha
I would definitely not watch any american teams by themselves because I'm just used to watching good teams.  haha :)
The only reason I watch it is to support my friends in the TFC. They're amazing footballers and would destroy me on the field.

I wish Canada had a soccer team. lol

 Hirstyuk wrote:

Stop wingeing, ffs I don't care that people have a go at the MLS - lets be honest it's a 2 bit league which cannot compare to the premiership and spain etc, I wouldn't care if people had a go at the premership because i love it and thats all that counts, the MLS is what it is a 2nd rate football nation which we can offload has-beens to eg. david beckham for millions of pounds.

YOU WANT TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS OTHER FOOTBALL NATIONS???

THEN....

1. stop calling football ((soccer)) you've even got beckham saying it lol.

2. make football the number 1 sport in the usa - (only usa citizens can do that)

3. give us something out of the usa football wise and ffs dont say B.MCBRIDE lmao...

finally we don't have a go at other leagues ie n.ireland,malta etc because no other nation moans about it

 

This is for your "calling it soccer" comment.

This is from Greg Lalas' column on cnnsi.com,

Slamming American soccer -- and American soccer fans -- is a great pastime for many non-American fans, particularly Anglos who are subconsciously bitter that their national team can't even qualify for the Euro Championship. One of their favorite insults is some variation of this: "Americans will never be good at football -- and, yes, it's called 'football,' you stupid ***."

But the truth is the word "soccer" derives from "association football," the game's original name, as opposed to "rugby football." In other words, it's a British word. The haters really hate when you point this out.

 I DragoN l wrote:

The reason the rest of the world doesnt like the MLS is simple most people in the United States make fun of Football-Soccer as a whole so why would anyone care a about a league thats in a country that doesnt respect the sport? Those people who say American Football sux you are just as ignorant as the people who make fun of European Football. American Football is one of the best sports ever people should try to understand the game rather than just decide to hate it just because it has the same name as a sport in Europe and the rest of the world. The US national team is no were near as bad as some people say i would put them around Mexico level and they have been getting better over the last couple years and i can see them pulling of some upsets over teams like England and France i mean if anyone has kept track of them lately they drew with Argentina last month and kept a close game with Spain only losing 1-0 so people shouldnt dismiss the U.S. team so easily.

Those bashing soccer in the United States do so because they couldn't make one run down the field in pursuit of the ball with two defenders draped on their back, without collapsing on the field and having a heart attack. It would also require them to get up off the couch.

 MonkRug wrote:

 Hirstyuk wrote:

Stop wingeing, ffs I don't care that people have a go at the MLS - lets be honest it's a 2 bit league which cannot compare to the premiership and spain etc, I wouldn't care if people had a go at the premership because i love it and thats all that counts, the MLS is what it is a 2nd rate football nation which we can offload has-beens to eg. david beckham for millions of pounds.

YOU WANT TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS OTHER FOOTBALL NATIONS???

THEN....

1. stop calling football ((soccer)) you've even got beckham saying it lol.

2. make football the number 1 sport in the usa - (only usa citizens can do that)

3. give us something out of the usa football wise and ffs dont say B.MCBRIDE lmao...

finally we don't have a go at other leagues ie n.ireland,malta etc because no other nation moans about it

 

This is for your "calling it soccer" comment.

This is from Greg Lalas' column on cnnsi.com,

Slamming American soccer -- and American soccer fans -- is a great pastime for many non-American fans, particularly Anglos who are subconsciously bitter that their national team can't even qualify for the Euro Championship. One of their favorite insults is some variation of this: "Americans will never be good at football -- and, yes, it's called 'football,' you stupid ***."

But the truth is the word "soccer" derives from "association football," the game's original name, as opposed to "rugby football." In other words, it's a British word. The haters really hate when you point this out.

You are correct that the word soccer does derive from Association Football, it was first used in the late 19th century but was rarely used by the majority. Soccer is a slang term such as rugger for rugby, the fact that North america is the only area in the world where there is a point blank refusal to call the sport by its proper term is what kind of annoys people.

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