ChewieR2 wrote:

 KhaoticWarri0r wrote:

I read earlier in the thread someone was stating nobody besides parents should be posting here. I disagree. While I'm not a parent, it doesn't neccesarily mean I can't agree/disagree from threads here in this section.

I read that too but I'm glad to see that it was corrected in the following posts.  I'm new here but I come from a background with some time spent in a couple of family-friendly PC gaming clans and appreciate the younglings .02 pennies from time to time.

-ChewieR2

Responsibility and maturity may come with age, but there are some phenomenal younger gamers out there who act more responsible than many so-called adults I know.  Children will respond to how they are treated; raise the bar and they will rise to meet it - lower it and they will act accordingly.  It is up to the elders to set a good example and not focus on the negative.  All views are welcome here. 

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^ Spoken like a true ambassador!   

I 100% agree with you, diver.  In fact, I don't know that I've ever disagreed with you.

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^ Spoken like a true ambassador!   

I 100% agree with you, diver.  In fact, I don't know that I've ever disagreed with you.

It was really really hard not to insert a poo joke somewhere, since, in fact, everything comes down to poo.

Oh I feel much better now.

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 Catka wrote:

I think some people are confused about the laws with regards to the ESRB.

The ESRB is a "recommendation" for parents, not law.
Some states have laws that require retailers to sell games based on the ESRB recommendations. 

As far as I know, there are no laws IN THE US stating that parents have to follow the ESRB guidelines.

Every child is different and is ready for different games at different ages.  ESRB is good advice but it can't replace a good parent.

That being said, if there is a law that states that a child can NOT play a game until a certain age then please point it out.

I agree with you but what if the partent is just as bad as the child you'll find the sometimes on XBL. A Father son team name codeblu I believe.

 Oldtimer001 wrote:

All of you are missing the point here. I have not been blasting any parents. Again, this is for those non-parents and kids that are on these forums. You guys keep blasting me because you think I'm blasting you. Please stop. I may only have just started posting on these forums a couple of days ago, but I've been reading them for a long time now. AGAIN, MY POSTINGS HAVE BEEN TOWARDS THE NON-PARENTS AND KIDS WHO ARE POSTING THREADS IN THE PARENT FORUMS. UNDERSTAND THAT PLEASE. None of my postings were anything personal to parents. Also, all of my previous postings, except this subject, were replying to people'S questions comments. If you guys are parents, great. AS I said before it is awesome that you care about your kids and what they're interacting with. I'm saying is you're not a parent, you shouldn't be on this forum.

Can I get an "AMEN" to that last sentence!! Good point my friend. Here's mine: if you are a 12yrs old playing GTA4, hit eject on the Xbox 360 right now, take the disk out and put it in the case, walk it to your mom or dad and say "I'm sorry for playing this game and sorry you bought it for me. It was a bad parental decision you made and I can't have that in my life. Thank you mom and dad for your time". Seriously though, it's a double whammy if you're 12yrs old playing GTA4 AND posting anything about GTA4 on forums. Are these parents watching over the shoulders of these kids about what they type online? We've done everything right so far with our 12yrs old daughter. The computer is in the front room, she plays kid-friendly games without the mic, etc.....

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It was really really hard not to insert a poo joke somewhere, since, in fact, everything comes down to poo.

Oh I feel much better now.

"We at the FBI are unaware of any sense of humor we might possess."  haha, that made my day diver.  I feel better as well.

 

Anyway, i don't think anyone thinks this is an exact science, but we all do what we can and what we think is best for our families and kids and in some cases for our parents.  As long as that's the intention, i think we'll be ok.

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 CSARdiver wrote:

 ChewieR2 wrote:

 KhaoticWarri0r wrote:

I read earlier in the thread someone was stating nobody besides parents should be posting here. I disagree. While I'm not a parent, it doesn't neccesarily mean I can't agree/disagree from threads here in this section.

I read that too but I'm glad to see that it was corrected in the following posts.  I'm new here but I come from a background with some time spent in a couple of family-friendly PC gaming clans and appreciate the younglings .02 pennies from time to time.

-ChewieR2

Responsibility and maturity may come with age, but there are some phenomenal younger gamers out there who act more responsible than many so-called adults I know.  Children will respond to how they are treated; raise the bar and they will rise to meet it - lower it and they will act accordingly.  It is up to the elders to set a good example and not focus on the negative.  All views are welcome here. 

Diver, wow. You wrote that very well. I'm sure these "outstanding" younger gamers are out there for sure. I can say giving a kid ages 12-16yrs old a Gold Account, rated M shooter game and a mic isn't a good combo (from what I've experienced). It spells disaster every way you look at it. I remember the day GTA4 came out and all these kids driving in the ranked race. I couldn't believe it. I'm 34 and don't use the words (cussing/racist/nasty) they used. Am I in your "elder" grouping? I join a RBSV2 T-hunt room not knowing who's the host and get bombarded with yelping, uncalled for chatter, singing and such. Then the kid host will ask me a stupid question knowing I won't have a clue what the answer is.....then boot me. But I join it from the lobby not focusing on the negative. So, what can I offer positive to this conversation? PARENTS...parent up man! Be a parent first, your kid's friend second. There's my 2 cents worth.......more like a dollar fifty.

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Diver, wow. You wrote that very well. I'm sure these "outstanding" younger gamers are out there for sure. I can say giving a kid ages 12-16yrs old a Gold Account, rated M shooter game and a mic isn't a good combo (from what I've experienced). It spells disaster every way you look at it. I remember the day GTA4 came out and all these kids driving in the ranked race. I couldn't believe it. I'm 34 and don't use the words (cussing/racist/nasty) they used. Am I in your "elder" grouping? I join a RBSV2 T-hunt room not knowing who's the host and get bombarded with yelping, uncalled for chatter, singing and such. Then the kid host will ask me a stupid question knowing I won't have a clue what the answer is.....then boot me. But I join it from the lobby not focusing on the negative. So, what can I offer positive to this conversation? PARENTS...parent up man! Be a parent first, your kid's friend second. There's my 2 cents worth.......more like a dollar fifty.

Thanks bro.  I'm pretty sure the parents of the misbehaving children will never set foot into a site or forum like this - or outside of the Oprah book club for that matter.

Realize first that any posts made here concerning what it takes to be a good parent are falling on the ears of the choir.  I've had the same experience, but it has little to do with age and everything to do with the lack of involved parents.  An involved parent can expose a child at almost any age and have positive results.  The details of your example are missing one component, that being parental involvement.  The "parents" you speak of choose to use the game system as a cheap babysitter, instead choosing their own selfish pursuits over their responsibilities as a parent.

Welcome to the choir

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Let this serve as a warning now as well. 

Threads of minors asking how to turn off parental controls will be locked immediately, or anyone who is pretending to be an adult and asking how to turn off the parental controls.

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lol I remembered when doing that crossed my mine, but I used the search button. When I saw the said "adults" weren't getting answers I figured it wasn't worth it. It was only to be able to download the WaW beta though...

Besides I set my own parental controls, but that age thing had me stumped.

It may not be a law but when you buy your kid a game you know your going to get carded for, that is hypocritical as well. Might as well give them booze and smokes too.  And being carded for video games of that nature, it is a LAW that you will be carded.

I agree Ethan,brother.But i hope you know that not all kids don't swear and stuff on live. i sure don't anyway. There's just a little percentage of those annoying,ignorant,nasty,racist-shall i continue?No,you get the point. but i hope you guys know that there i some pretty nice kids out there (A.K.A. me) that don't swear and aren't obsessed with winning and think it's cool to swear at eachother.I am tired and i think we need to shut theese kids up.

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 kingofthefire wrote:

I agree Ethan,brother.But i hope you know that not all kids don't swear and stuff on live. i sure don't anyway. There's just a little percentage of those annoying,ignorant,nasty,racist-shall i continue?No,you get the point. but i hope you guys know that there i some pretty nice kids out there (A.K.A. me) that don't swear and aren't obsessed with winning and think it's cool to swear at eachother.I am tired and i think we need to shut theese kids up.

Long days and pleasant nights.

lest we not forget me as well methinks
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 kingofthefire wrote:

I agree Ethan,brother.But i hope you know that not all kids don't swear and stuff on live. i sure don't anyway. There's just a little percentage of those annoying,ignorant,nasty,racist-shall i continue?No,you get the point. but i hope you guys know that there i some pretty nice kids out there (A.K.A. me) that don't swear and aren't obsessed with winning and think it's cool to swear at eachother.I am tired and i think we need to shut theese kids up.

Long days and pleasant nights.

I totally understand that, and I fair share of younger gamers on my FL.  What happens is a lot of sandwich generation people (no longer "kids", but not yet parents either) come into the parent's forums and accuse us of letting our kids be "that kid".  It at one point got so bad that there were several flame wars weekly.
This thread was created to show people that if they want to make a difference then they should approach parents who are not invovled in gaming at all instead of yelling at those who know gaming and govern their children responsibly.
Guys like you and the panda (while he may be mini and certainly evil ) are certainly the majority of the younger generations, i.e. good, respectful, and fun gamers.  That doesn't mean that they don't have fun talking smack, but at the end of the match they can hold their head high knowing they didn't disrespect anyone and say to all "good game."

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Yes,i know what you mean,usually i'm a little upset but when i played Halo 3 me and this guy were talking and I was not upset when i lost (about 26 games) and when he stopped i said good games,dude you rock. It's definetly fun. And i also realized over the last little while you have more fun if you take it less seriously. it's all fun! Yoppe!

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 ethanjude wrote:

Form works in Copyright Law, so he is a good "go to" guy for this stuff.

Let me be very clear, I have absolutely NO issue with kids posting in these family forums at all.  Hopefully it's a good way to help break down the barriers between adult and younger gamers.  There are a lot of threads around here that ask our opinion or say "I see it this way, what do you think?" and they lead to good discussions.  My concern had been that almost once a week we get bashed as a group for being poor parents because apparently it is our kids wrecking Live.  There are a few of us who have to repeat the same statements over and over again (which is in part in my first post) and we got tired of it.  I was hoping to deflect some of those threads from even happening.

I am all in favor of more understanding between the two gaming demographics, but am strongly opposed to ignorant accusations.  Hope that helps, and I wouldn't feel bad about posting here at all.  No one should unless they are looking to cause trouble.  Flame wars don't work in this community, and it's not tolerated.  They either get ignored or deleted very quickly.  Disagreements are fine, but flaming... well, hopefully as adults and parents we've outgrown that garbage by now.

Well I do.
Topicality here is "A forum for Dads and Moms to discuss gaming, parenting, and more" and it should be enforced. Children posting is off topic.
This forum would probably be a lot more useful to the occasional parents posting if the replies weren't filled with parenting advice from teenagers.
If we need an "Ask an adult" forum then suggest one be made. This shouldn't be it.

 UKresistance wrote:

 ethanjude wrote:

Form works in Copyright Law, so he is a good "go to" guy for this stuff.

Let me be very clear, I have absolutely NO issue with kids posting in these family forums at all.  Hopefully it's a good way to help break down the barriers between adult and younger gamers.  There are a lot of threads around here that ask our opinion or say "I see it this way, what do you think?" and they lead to good discussions.  My concern had been that almost once a week we get bashed as a group for being poor parents because apparently it is our kids wrecking Live.  There are a few of us who have to repeat the same statements over and over again (which is in part in my first post) and we got tired of it.  I was hoping to deflect some of those threads from even happening.

I am all in favor of more understanding between the two gaming demographics, but am strongly opposed to ignorant accusations.  Hope that helps, and I wouldn't feel bad about posting here at all.  No one should unless they are looking to cause trouble.  Flame wars don't work in this community, and it's not tolerated.  They either get ignored or deleted very quickly.  Disagreements are fine, but flaming... well, hopefully as adults and parents we've outgrown that garbage by now.

Well I do.
Topicality here is "A forum for Dads and Moms to discuss gaming, parenting, and more" and it should be enforced. Children posting is off topic.
This forum would probably be a lot more useful to the occasional parents posting if the replies weren't filled with parenting advice from teenagers.
If we need an "Ask an adult" forum then suggest one be made. This shouldn't be it.

i do not get it with you, u hav already made a thread about this...
what do u hav against kids and teens?
is there a problem when we aspire to the adult world?
i mean why do u take it as an insult for teens and such to post here rather than a compliment?
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UK, we are all entitled to our personal opinions. But, you will find that most of the parents, including myself, have no problem with teenagers posting in these threads. Yes, we do occasionally get an youngster that have no business in these threads. In fact we get some idiotic adults as well. But, for the most part, most of these young people are on the level. Myself, as a father of two and a Youth Pastor am glad that these young people aren't afraid to come to us and ask for advise, opinions or even bounce ideas off of us. It's actually quite refreshing. Now, parenting issues excluded, most of these young people answers questions that people post better than us old farts do. So, I guess I'm saying you should tone it down a bit because most of these young people are on the level.

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i'm not trying to be rudeYour really insulting the kids here,i mean UK your acting worse than some of the kids on xbox live. The thread title is Gamer Parents and FAMILY GAMING. Waht do you have angainst us? like panda said. And like i said We're not all bad. if you don't like it go somewhere else.

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must resist my comment......

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 UKresistance wrote:

 ethanjude wrote:

Form works in Copyright Law, so he is a good "go to" guy for this stuff.

Let me be very clear, I have absolutely NO issue with kids posting in these family forums at all.  Hopefully it's a good way to help break down the barriers between adult and younger gamers.  There are a lot of threads around here that ask our opinion or say "I see it this way, what do you think?" and they lead to good discussions.  My concern had been that almost once a week we get bashed as a group for being poor parents because apparently it is our kids wrecking Live.  There are a few of us who have to repeat the same statements over and over again (which is in part in my first post) and we got tired of it.  I was hoping to deflect some of those threads from even happening.

I am all in favor of more understanding between the two gaming demographics, but am strongly opposed to ignorant accusations.  Hope that helps, and I wouldn't feel bad about posting here at all.  No one should unless they are looking to cause trouble.  Flame wars don't work in this community, and it's not tolerated.  They either get ignored or deleted very quickly.  Disagreements are fine, but flaming... well, hopefully as adults and parents we've outgrown that garbage by now.

Well I do.
Topicality here is "A forum for Dads and Moms to discuss gaming, parenting, and more" and it should be enforced. Children posting is off topic.
This forum would probably be a lot more useful to the occasional parents posting if the replies weren't filled with parenting advice from teenagers.
If we need an "Ask an adult" forum then suggest one be made. This shouldn't be it.

I think you missed the point of the forum altogether.

While I understand your interpretation of the forum's description, I think it's a little silly to assume that it means that this is some sort of exclusive "Parent's Club"

First, the description says that it is a topic for us to discuss gaming, parenting, and more. It says nothing of who we discuss it with. It does not exclude other groups, it just implies that those are the topics that we will discuss, including their relation/connection to each other.

Second, for you to assume ANYONE on here is a parent is extremely naive. I don't know that your a parent for sure, and nothing you can say or do could convince me. Photographs and stories can be stolen from anywhere or they can be completely legitimate. If we were to say this were some exclusive Parents only section, there would still be nothing to keep Children out.

Just as we have to deal with some ignorance on LIVE, we may have to deal with some ignorance here as well. It's part of life in general that stupid people are everywhere. It is our DUTY as parents to encourage the younger generation to be better people, and there is no better way for us as Gaming Parents to reach them than to talk to them about what they enjoy. This is exactly the place for that.

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While I understand your interpretation of the forum's description

No, you clearly do not. It is not my interpretation of the forums's description, it is English grammar that lends only one interpretation.

The issue is creating exclusivity on the forums.  We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.   
The other options would be to lock a forum like this and then only allow people who have registered as parents access to it.  I think given the difficulty of proving that a person is indeed a parent would outweigh the benefits that would come from restricting this section of the boards.
Personally, I don't mind chatting with most of the kids around here as it helps bring understanding (in most cases) because we have been where these kids are; in a home where the parents don't understand the child's passion for gaming, so we help them where we can.
Is that what these particular forums were created for?  Nope, but it comes with the territory and there could be a lot worse things to come in here than what we already see.
The more I think about it, there's nothing wrong with UK wanting this board to be for "parents only", but logistically, and possibly for the betterment (albeit seemingly slight betterment) of the community as a whole it's probably that the gaming parents and family section stays as it is.

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We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

 UKresistance wrote:

We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

u are starting to sound like a really big troll and wat a baby u r,
i mean y can u not live with the fact that we are around, y dont u go join one of the parent websites, ull be glad not to see me there...

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 UKresistance wrote:

We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

   You know you could probably do something like this in your title or the first line of your post.
   *****This thread is directed towards PARENTS ONLY. Please DO NOT post in this thread if you are NOT one. Thank you.*****
   Then if you have problems with people posting in it that aren't and/or flame you or troll your thread. As in my opinion someone coming into it that disrupts the discussion the thread is intended for is trolling.  Just report them. Idk. Just an idea.

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 Unreal Butcher wrote:

 UKresistance wrote:

We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

   You know you could probably do something like this in your title or the first line of your post.
   *****This thread is directed towards PARENTS ONLY. Please DO NOT post in this thread if you are NOT one. Thank you.*****
   Then if you have problems with people posting in it that aren't and/or flame you or troll your thread. As in my opinion someone coming into it that disrupts the discussion the thread is intended for is trolling.  Just report them. Idk. Just an idea.

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 Unreal Butcher wrote:

 UKresistance wrote:

We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

   You know you could probably do something like this in your title or the first line of your post.
   *****This thread is directed towards PARENTS ONLY. Please DO NOT post in this thread if you are NOT one. Thank you.*****
   Then if you have problems with people posting in it that aren't and/or flame you or troll your thread. As in my opinion someone coming into it that disrupts the discussion the thread is intended for is trolling.  Just report them. Idk. Just an idea.

o yes, we'll all report the innocent, now wheres that button to report myself???

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 Mini Evil Panda wrote:

 Unreal Butcher wrote:

 UKresistance wrote:

We can't simply tell some people that they are not welcome on certain parts of the forums, even though they in no way fit the description of who the forum is for.

“Can’t” is not the phrase you are looking for in your sentence.

You could ask that “Members without parenting experience to please refrain from offering advice in thread topics that are clearly asking for input from other parents.

 

So the phrase you want is either “may not” denoting that you do not have the authority or permissions to do so, or the phrase is “will not” which is my personal bet.

   You know you could probably do something like this in your title or the first line of your post.
   *****This thread is directed towards PARENTS ONLY. Please DO NOT post in this thread if you are NOT one. Thank you.*****
   Then if you have problems with people posting in it that aren't and/or flame you or troll your thread. As in my opinion someone coming into it that disrupts the discussion the thread is intended for is trolling.  Just report them. Idk. Just an idea.

o yes, we'll all report the innocent, now wheres that button to report myself???

I don't believe UB  means that. If someone is flaming someone else they're not innocent. You are certainly not guilty of that. I've read almost every reply you've made to UK. I agree that all young people should be allowed on here. You should just give up replying to him. He is not going to change his opinion. That is very clear.

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