Bigalski wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 Bigalski wrote:

How is it a cowards way?  A cowards way is using glitches or exploits to increase your score, not legitimate farming methods.  There are no time limits in the game which is the probelm in the first place.    If they put the time limits back in for NG2S, that should help a lot but only if they can fix the exploits people are using now.

You said your score with the Claws is 56 million but on the leaderboard it's 46.

Hi Bigalski, can I ask you a question about your score? Now by no means do I doubt that your score is legit but I do wonder what has consumed so much time? You are better than me and I fought every enemy and did all the ToV's aswell but it took you something like 7 hours longer. That is quite a lot, so I wonder where that time went?

I would say at least 3 to 4 hours of that time was me putting the game on pause during some long farming sessions.  Since there's no chapter time limit bonus to speak of, time doesn't matter.  The main point is that I fought every fight and all the TOVs.

It's not about the ET's, it's about getting single hit UT's which is what can take so long.  A lot of what I did on my first run may sound excessive but I did it to show a point which is basically the lack of time limits, a little bit of know how, and a lot of patience can give good karma results.  Here are a few examples.

CH4 TOV which has the zombies and beetles.  Each beetle can take 3 to 4 single hit Gleaming Blade UT's.  The trick is to know how far to get in front of them and only hit 1 beetle with a 1 hit UT which means there's a lot of jumping around to get where you need.  I took a few breaks in that fight.

CH9 beetles.  Imagine doing single hit GB's on beetles before and after you drop down until the Worm boss.  More breaks.

TOVs that have the big worms can take a lot of single hit KG UT's.  I used the Scythe for the most part and missed out on tons of points.

Some of the TOVs that I have on video take around 30 minutes due to farming.

Did you know that if you shoot off a leg of the cannon zombies that you can get 12 to 15 single hit KG UT's?  It may sound simple but remember it keeps shooting at you as well as any others that around so timing is important.

If I knew now what I didn't know then on my first playthrough, 70 million is easily possible and over 80 on a second playthrough if somebody really wanted to put in the time.  Some people say it's cheap but which sounds easier and to be honest, more cheap.  Going through TOV4 in 5 minutes with the Scythe and blasting your way through it without being touched or trying to single hit UT every enemy in the challange in 3 hours?

If anybody wants to know anything about karma, just ask.  I have no secrets and I've made a lot of videos on how to get karma.  If I did a second playthrough karma run, all I would use is the level 3-4 DS, level 3 Lunar, level 1 Scythe, level 1 KG, and the WS.  People can play the game however they want but IMHO, a legit karma run is far from cheap and far from easy.  I just hope they add time limits in NG2S.

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

Hi Bigalski, ok that is quite clear. By the way I didn't mean that karma farming is easy but the fact that it's possible to karmafarm a single enemy that many times (and no I did not know that) is a bit cheeky of the game. The way I see it, that should not be the way to a very high score in this game. Like you I prefer the time limit bonus for each fight (discounting the lousy timebonus at the end of a chapter).
It all sounds like a bit of a chore to me (not taking away any of the skill that is required to pull it off). Since I'm not completely unskilled in this game I think I could get away with a couple of your suggestions. But 3 hours for a ToV that can be done in 5 minutes, ouch, I don't think I'm up for that (about 45 minutes for the last ToV was more than enough). To describe it as cheap was perhaps the wrong choice of words of me. I should have said that I think it's a pitty that it works that way (like the green essence; just a bad idea). I meant no disrespect to the people who do this and kudos to them for pulling it off.
I just think it takes the pace and the fun out of the game (for me). I don't care enough about scoring and leaderboards to put myself through a chore I don't have fun with. I'm on a second karmarun because I think I can do better than my first one (around 46,5 mil). And I learned that without knowing I did skip some enemies, like the waterdemons in Ch.5 that appear when you get the skull off the boat (Thanks Mkadt for pointing that one out).
I hope I can break the 50 mil mark and get a few more kills with what I know now.

One question about the Ch.4 ToV beetles (it's the next one up on my current karmarun); you say they can take 4 Gleaming blades. If I'm not mistaken that's 4 x 2000 = 8000 karma. But if I use a Lv2 UT with the Scythe I get 5000 UT score plus 3000 instakill bonus (also 8000). Granted that it's virtually impossible to single them out with the Scythe UT but like I said before I don't think I have the patience to do em 1 by 1.

Anyway, thanks for your elaborate answer and all the info!

 Bigalski wrote:

Here's one other tip to keep in mind.  Never use the regular shurikens to stun an enemy because if one connects, you lose the ability to get an Instant Kill.

 Bigalski wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

Hi Bigalski, ok that is quite clear. By the way I didn't mean that karma farming is easy but the fact that it's possible to karmafarm a single enemy that many times (and no I did not know that) is a bit cheeky of the game. The way I see it, that should not be the way to a very high score in this game. Like you I prefer the time limit bonus for each fight (discounting the lousy timebonus at the end of a chapter).
It all sounds like a bit of a chore to me (not taking away any of the skill that is required to pull it off). Since I'm not completely unskilled in this game I think I could get away with a couple of your suggestions. But 3 hours for a ToV that can be done in 5 minutes, ouch, I don't think I'm up for that (about 45 minutes for the last ToV was more than enough). To describe it as cheap was perhaps the wrong choice of words of me. I should have said that I think it's a pitty that it works that way (like the green essence; just a bad idea). I meant no disrespect to the people who do this and kudos to them for pulling it off.
I just think it takes the pace and the fun out of the game (for me). I don't care enough about scoring and leaderboards to put myself through a chore I don't have fun with. I'm on a second karmarun because I think I can do better than my first one (around 46,5 mil). And I learned that without knowing I did skip some enemies, like the waterdemons in Ch.5 that appear when you get the skull off the boat (Thanks Mkadt for pointing that one out).
I hope I can break the 50 mil mark and get a few more kills with what I know now.

One question about the Ch.4 ToV beetles (it's the next one up on my current karmarun); you say they can take 4 Gleaming blades. If I'm not mistaken that's 4 x 2000 = 8000 karma. But if I use a Lv2 UT with the Scythe I get 5000 UT score plus 3000 instakill bonus (also 8000). Granted that it's virtually impossible to single them out with the Scythe UT but like I said before I don't think I have the patience to do em 1 by 1.

Anyway, thanks for your elaborate answer and all the info!

It is cheeky of the game plus I hate the fact that they don't have time limits and is the reason I don't really look at the score as much as I look  at the kills.

Some of it is a chore and is the reason I would put the game on pause.  The other side to that is that some of it is a challenge to see if I can milk a fight for all it's worth.

The whole randomness of the green essence is the main reason I don't like to play MM.

Since I'm an old school NG player, UT means 5000 and ET means 2000.  You get 3 to 4 5000 UT's from a single hit GB on the beetles before it dies.  Also you don't get an Instant Kill on the beetles.  IIRC, I scored around 1.8 million on that TOV.  3 million is possible if you have the level 1 KG using the method I described on the zombies.  Of course I didn't have it since it was my first playthrough.

Here's one other tip to keep in mind.  Never use the regular shurikens to stun an enemy because if one connects, you lose the ability to get an Instant Kill.

 Bigalski wrote:

It is cheeky of the game plus I hate the fact that they don't have time limits and is the reason I don't really look at the score as much as I look  at the kills.

Some of it is a chore and is the reason I would put the game on pause.  The other side to that is that some of it is a challenge to see if I can milk a fight for all it's worth.

The whole randomness of the green essence is the main reason I don't like to play MM.

Since I'm an old school NG player, UT means 5000 and ET means 2000.  You get 3 to 4 5000 UT's from a single hit GB on the beetles before it dies.  Also you don't get an Instant Kill on the beetles.  IIRC, I scored around 1.8 million on that TOV.  3 million is possible if you have the level 1 KG using the method I described on the zombies.  Of course I didn't have it since it was my first playthrough.

Here's one other tip to keep in mind.  Never use the regular shurikens to stun an enemy because if one connects, you lose the ability to get an Instant Kill.

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 Bigalski wrote:

It is cheeky of the game plus I hate the fact that they don't have time limits and is the reason I don't really look at the score as much as I look  at the kills.

Some of it is a chore and is the reason I would put the game on pause.  The other side to that is that some of it is a challenge to see if I can milk a fight for all it's worth.

Well if it's fun to do I don't mind; must've done the ch.10 stairsfight about 50 times. For fun (making baitballs), weaponpractice and karmastrategies.
But doing ch.9 like you described and then suffer an unfortunate death by the worm....well, ouch! (guess talisman on is mandatory)

The whole randomness of the green essence is the main reason I don't like to play MM.

HEAR HEAR.

Since I'm an old school NG player, UT means 5000 and ET means 2000.  You get 3 to 4 5000 UT's from a single hit GB on the beetles before it dies.  Also you don't get an Instant Kill on the beetles.  IIRC, I scored around 1.8 million on that TOV.  3 million is possible if you have the level 1 KG using the method I described on the zombies.  Of course I didn't have it since it was my first playthrough.

Ok, I was obviously mistaken.
Well, some of the advise I surely will at least try if for no other reason than that I defenitly want to beat my old score. Can't use the Scythe advise anymore because it's my main weapon and allready at Lv3. But the only reason I used to upgrade the KG was for the beetles and the wormboss in ch.9. I won't this time. Gonna have to find another easy way to beat the wormboss though cuz the Lv.2 UT from a fully upgraded KG totally pwns it and was pretty much my safe passage through there on my runs. (and I don't want to use the windninpo glitch)

Here's one other tip to keep in mind.  Never use the regular shurikens to stun an enemy because if one connects, you lose the ability to get an Instant Kill.

Yeah, I picked that one up from one of your earlier posts. I hardly ever used them anyway. Only time I sometimes use em now is when I wanna OT some leftover delimbed IS ninjas and really don't wanna risk a suicide attack. (I have been surprised by those %^*&^%$#!) But the instakill bonus is gone on those guys anyway.

I wonder if can have your thoughts on the following; A bunch of ninjas or waterdemons come for me that can be instakilled with a Lv.2 Scythe (or WS). Do I try to UT them individually or UT an as big as possible group? I tend to go for the latter as specially with IS ninjas it's hard to find the time to charge a Lv2 UT unless there is essence. But to get essence I have to kill 2 first on which I lose points then. And if I kill only 1 with that UT I have to kill another regularly  for another essence.
But if I kill em as a group I get at least spreebonus and instakill for all of them but only 1x 5000 for the UT.

What is your take on that situation?

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

yea i totally agree but heres my problem with that these beetles shouldnt even be on masterninja theres a reason youre playing on masterninja its because you want the biggest challenge possible jumping away from harmless beetles to do a 2000 ut is not what i call being a masterninja its what i call a booster heres the problem the game is way to easy theres easy enemies scattered throughout the game when there should be nothing but the hardest challenges in the game its like they reverted back to the original you know only 1 group of enemies i hoping on sigma they have more of a mix like they did in black fiends & black spider ninja together and heres my other problem you talk about using the lvl 1 kg to increase your score off of 2000 uts man that is being cheap this is ninja gaiden not mario kart people like you ruin the games you dont really play them you just look for ways to exploit the game so you can boost your score to look good without all those easy parts youd just be an ordinary player with no skill but everyone thinks youre good because of your karma score which you know i have no problem with but i mean lets get something strait take away all your exploits of the game and your not even close to my scores i can hang with you and take like 10 less hours to beat the game yea of course i killed the beetles with the ws who wouldnt but my hi scores also come from the fact i can get alot of killing sprees and ots i could easily put up a 80 mil score but im a true masterninja who plays strait up im not a booster like you so im really hoping on sigma they fix the uots situation so people like you just cant sit around looking for ways to boost your score im sure if the game was on an even playing field youd just be another name it takes skill to play ninja gaiden it doesnt take skill to just sit around exploiting the game for every little cheap trick im not saying your a weak player its just your style is very cheap to me id like to see what you can do playing strait up thats all well if you wanna reply go ahead im always interested in what people have to say peace

LEGENDARY NINJA

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

Yeah, I picked that one up from one of your earlier posts. I hardly ever used them anyway. Only time I sometimes use em now is when I wanna OT some leftover delimbed IS ninjas and really don't wanna risk a suicide attack. (I have been surprised by those %^*&^%$#!) But the instakill bonus is gone on those guys anyway.

I wonder if can have your thoughts on the following; A bunch of ninjas or waterdemons come for me that can be instakilled with a Lv.2 Scythe (or WS). Do I try to UT them individually or UT an as big as possible group? I tend to go for the latter as specially with IS ninjas it's hard to find the time to charge a Lv2 UT unless there is essence. But to get essence I have to kill 2 first on which I lose points then. And if I kill only 1 with that UT I have to kill another regularly  for another essence.
But if I kill em as a group I get at least spreebonus and instakill for all of them but only 1x 5000 for the UT.

What is your take on that situation?

 Bigalski wrote:

I would use the WS as much as possible since you get IKs, KSs, UTs, and can usually follow it up with an OT.  After you OT, you can always GT  and OT to get your second yellow.  Using the WS can be very dangerous though so you might want to use the Scythe to get things going.

 Bigalski wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

yea i totally agree but heres my problem with that these beetles shouldnt even be on masterninja theres a reason youre playing on masterninja its because you want the biggest challenge possible jumping away from harmless beetles to do a 2000 ut is not what i call being a masterninja its what i call a booster heres the problem the game is way to easy theres easy enemies scattered throughout the game when there should be nothing but the hardest challenges in the game its like they reverted back to the original you know only 1 group of enemies i hoping on sigma they have more of a mix like they did in black fiends & black spider ninja together and heres my other problem you talk about using the lvl 1 kg to increase your score off of 2000 uts man that is being cheap this is ninja gaiden not mario kart people like you ruin the games you dont really play them you just look for ways to exploit the game so you can boost your score to look good without all those easy parts youd just be an ordinary player with no skill but everyone thinks youre good because of your karma score which you know i have no problem with but i mean lets get something strait take away all your exploits of the game and your not even close to my scores i can hang with you and take like 10 less hours to beat the game yea of course i killed the beetles with the ws who wouldnt but my hi scores also come from the fact i can get alot of killing sprees and ots i could easily put up a 80 mil score but im a true masterninja who plays strait up im not a booster like you so im really hoping on sigma they fix the uots situation so people like you just cant sit around looking for ways to boost your score im sure if the game was on an even playing field youd just be another name it takes skill to play ninja gaiden it doesnt take skill to just sit around exploiting the game for every little cheap trick im not saying your a weak player its just your style is very cheap to me id like to see what you can do playing strait up thats all well if you wanna reply go ahead im always interested in what people have to say peace

LEGENDARY NINJA

If you want me to try and take you serious, use some punctuation.  Trying to read what you write is becoming bothersome.

I've said it before and if you understand the game so good, you would know it's a 5000 UT, not a 2000 ET.  At least try and get your facts straight before you start belittling someone.  Don't blame the player, blame Team Ninja for not putting time limits in the game.  You play the game the way you want, I'll play it the way I want.

You say I have no skill but I have over 4300 kills which means I fought all the fights and TOVs in the game.  How is that not having skill?  Also doing all the UT's a have to do, I don't blue essence from killing enemies like you would just fighting through it.  Again, try and get your facts straight.

Your comment about your scores vs time really doesn't make sense.  Think about it before you respond back.

If you want to bring up comparisons other than NG2, then please tell me your scores on NG, NGB, and NGS.

Also, upload your Falcon Talon score so I can beat it.

 Bigalski wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

yea i totally agree but heres my problem with that these beetles shouldnt even be on masterninja theres a reason youre playing on masterninja its because you want the biggest challenge possible jumping away from harmless beetles to do a 2000 ut is not what i call being a masterninja its what i call a booster heres the problem the game is way to easy theres easy enemies scattered throughout the game when there should be nothing but the hardest challenges in the game its like they reverted back to the original you know only 1 group of enemies i hoping on sigma they have more of a mix like they did in black fiends & black spider ninja together and heres my other problem you talk about using the lvl 1 kg to increase your score off of 2000 uts man that is being cheap this is ninja gaiden not mario kart people like you ruin the games you dont really play them you just look for ways to exploit the game so you can boost your score to look good without all those easy parts youd just be an ordinary player with no skill but everyone thinks youre good because of your karma score which you know i have no problem with but i mean lets get something strait take away all your exploits of the game and your not even close to my scores i can hang with you and take like 10 less hours to beat the game yea of course i killed the beetles with the ws who wouldnt but my hi scores also come from the fact i can get alot of killing sprees and ots i could easily put up a 80 mil score but im a true masterninja who plays strait up im not a booster like you so im really hoping on sigma they fix the uots situation so people like you just cant sit around looking for ways to boost your score im sure if the game was on an even playing field youd just be another name it takes skill to play ninja gaiden it doesnt take skill to just sit around exploiting the game for every little cheap trick im not saying your a weak player its just your style is very cheap to me id like to see what you can do playing strait up thats all well if you wanna reply go ahead im always interested in what people have to say peace

LEGENDARY NINJA

If you want me to try and take you serious, use some punctuation.  Trying to read what you write is becoming bothersome.

I've said it before and if you understand the game so good, you would know it's a 5000 UT, not a 2000 ET.  At least try and get your facts straight before you start belittling someone.  Don't blame the player, blame Team Ninja for not putting time limits in the game.  You play the game the way you want, I'll play it the way I want.

You say I have no skill but I have over 4300 kills which means I fought all the fights and TOVs in the game.  How is that not having skill?  Also doing all the UT's a have to do, I don't blue essence from killing enemies like you would just fighting through it.  Again, try and get your facts straight.

Your comment about your scores vs time really doesn't make sense.  Think about it before you respond back.

If you want to bring up comparisons other than NG2, then please tell me your scores on NG, NGB, and NGS.

Also, upload your Falcon Talon score so I can beat it.

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 whoa man lets get something strait i never said you didnt have any skill

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

without all those easy parts youd just be an ordinary player with no skill

 Bigalski wrote:

Nice job JAH doing that but why didn't you go for 5000 UT's on the downed zombies?

 Bigalski wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 whoa man lets get something strait i never said you didnt have any skill

Sure you said it.  It's right here from an earlier post.

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

without all those easy parts youd just be an ordinary player with no skill

Believe what you want to believe since it really doesn't matter.  As for any karma challenge, we'll wait until NG2S comes out and hope there are time limits to make things equal.

o my bad i guess i did lol well i was probably drunk youre a great player but the ultimate test of skill comes from infinite evil now if you wanna challenge me in that then lets go any1 can beat 3 or 4 enemies at once and if i recall correctly you were no where to be seen on the infinite evil challenges now dont get me wrong im not saying you cant do it when they first came out i myself was not interested in playing on acolyte but i still got some top 10 scores and i didnt use the herb you get when you beat fiend genshin and i got a ? 4 ya if cool is my 56 mil w/ talons really the #1 score i cant remember i havent been able to look at the leaderboards which sucks peace

 

 

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Nice job JAH doing that but why didn't you go for 5000 UT's on the downed zombies?

 GOGO 101 wrote:

Me!!! Not sure I havent really watched many peoples NC. But I have seen Black Ice's chapter 1 Master Ninja  so I vote for him.

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

@ Bigalski, Mkadt but also Zoj and others, thanks a lot for all the advice on the karmarun. I finally finished my karmarun and beat the crap out of my old score with about 16 mil. thanks to all your karmatips.
Bigalski, I now fully understand what was so time consuming; ch.9 took me 5,5 hours (with breaks) and just ToV 9 took me 3,5 hours (with breaks) to karmafarm the all worms with a Lv.1 KG for a total of 3,5 mil. karma. I'm a bit annoyed though that I have fewer kills than my previous run but there were a few points were I had retreat to certain spot for karma advantage but therefore despawning some enemies. Since this was a karmarun I chose for karma. One example is Ch.3 when you jump in the pit where purple van Gelfs and bugs spawn (just before the Tov). I ran back all the way to the savepoint near the shaft and the body with arrows and all the van Gelfs would gather at the top; each van Gelf can take a truckload of lv.1 arrows (at least 20) and with a free refill of arrows I made a truckload of karma that way but the downside was I despawned all the bugs (of which there are quite a few).
The lv.1 arrows are a very good but very very dangerous way to collect karma by the way, because most of the non-ninja enemies (wolves, demons, dragons) can all take most if not all (and the some) of your lv.1 arrows. So I always tried to keep the last one of a group unharmed to empty my arrows in them. Trouble is most of those enemies can kill you with 1 attack and I suffered numerous times for that.
The other big karmasource were the chainsaw zombies; shoot off their leg and 1 hit them with the KG's UT. I would have never thought of that Bigalski, that was a great tip!

Kudos guys!

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

Well, to be honest I didn't know either. I thought I did pretty well on my first karmarun where I just killed everything as fast as possible with as many UTs as I could. But I didn't use any of the karmafarming strategies I used on my last run. Most of those strategies I learned here on the forum from people like Bigalski, Mkadt and yourself and it's much appreciated!

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

Well, to be honest I didn't know either. I thought I did pretty well on my first karmarun where I just killed everything as fast as possible with as many UTs as I could. But I didn't use any of the karmafarming strategies I used on my last run. Most of those strategies I learned here on the forum from people like Bigalski, Mkadt and yourself and it's much appreciated!

your a solid ninja your giving me to much credit im sure you would have figured it out but thx thwhat was your final score?

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

Well, to be honest I didn't know either. I thought I did pretty well on my first karmarun where I just killed everything as fast as possible with as many UTs as I could. But I didn't use any of the karmafarming strategies I used on my last run. Most of those strategies I learned here on the forum from people like Bigalski, Mkadt and yourself and it's much appreciated!

your a solid ninja your giving me to much credit im sure you would have figured it out but thx thwhat was your final score?

My final score was 62.76 mil. 

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

Well, to be honest I didn't know either. I thought I did pretty well on my first karmarun where I just killed everything as fast as possible with as many UTs as I could. But I didn't use any of the karmafarming strategies I used on my last run. Most of those strategies I learned here on the forum from people like Bigalski, Mkadt and yourself and it's much appreciated!

your a solid ninja your giving me to much credit im sure you would have figured it out but thx thwhat was your final score?

My final score was 62.76 mil. 

nice score man how many kills did you have?

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

no prob man i only wish there were more players like you who understand how to run gaiden it would make for an interesting karma run peace

Well, to be honest I didn't know either. I thought I did pretty well on my first karmarun where I just killed everything as fast as possible with as many UTs as I could. But I didn't use any of the karmafarming strategies I used on my last run. Most of those strategies I learned here on the forum from people like Bigalski, Mkadt and yourself and it's much appreciated!

your a solid ninja your giving me to much credit im sure you would have figured it out but thx thwhat was your final score?

My final score was 62.76 mil. 

nice score man how many kills did you have?

That was the only disappointing part, I think it was only 4217, where my previous run was over 4300. I know I missed a few enemies for karma advantage but I still hoped I would have a few more kills than that.
But I have no idea where the guys who have 4500 or so kills found them.

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

yes i see your point i ve been trying to find those kills as well my max is 4400 but i think i finally found the extra hundred or 2.on ch 1and 2 the raesetsu fight there are at least 20 is ninjas on ch 1 and 30 on ch 2 you have 2 kill them b4 raesetsu or you lose the kills.then on ch5 when you run thru the gate and like 10 werewolves appear if you dont kill them fast enough you miss out on the other 15.right before you fight the water dragon on ch 5 there are those fish right well if you wonder around enough there are like 70 in that water temple.i also discovered if you always have full items you know potions wotevr u get in the game i 4got i havent played in so long when you open a chest fish come out instead of items.but heres the hardest 1 if you can somehow save all your ninpo items after the ch11 TOV when you fight those is ninjas the fight where muramasa interrupts it,there are alot of kills there on my talon score the 1 i havent uploaded yet i killed at least 200 of them i kept using ninpo and getting ninpo from them i had almost 1 million just from killing them,thats not counting all the IK and KS.theres only 1 thing i think that will keep me from having 4600 kill with the claws and thats on ch 14 right before you fight genshin and there all those water creatures sorry idk what they are called but ive tried so many different things i cant kill them all have you been able to kill them all if so any advice would be appreciated peace ssl

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

yes i see your point i ve been trying to find those kills as well my max is 4400 but i think i finally found the extra hundred or 2.on ch 1and 2 the raesetsu fight there are at least 20 is ninjas on ch 1 and 30 on ch 2 you have 2 kill them b4 raesetsu or you lose the kills.then on ch5 when you run thru the gate and like 10 werewolves appear if you dont kill them fast enough you miss out on the other 15.right before you fight the water dragon on ch 5 there are those fish right well if you wonder around enough there are like 70 in that water temple.i also discovered if you always have full items you know potions wotevr u get in the game i 4got i havent played in so long when you open a chest fish come out instead of items.but heres the hardest 1 if you can somehow save all your ninpo items after the ch11 TOV when you fight those is ninjas the fight where muramasa interrupts it,there are alot of kills there on my talon score the 1 i havent uploaded yet i killed at least 200 of them i kept using ninpo and getting ninpo from them i had almost 1 million just from killing them,thats not counting all the IK and KS.theres only 1 thing i think that will keep me from having 4600 kill with the claws and thats on ch 14 right before you fight genshin and there all those water creatures sorry idk what they are called but ive tried so many different things i cant kill them all have you been able to kill them all if so any advice would be appreciated peace ssl

Thanks mate.
And about those big fish in the bloodpool. I wouldn't know how to kill em with the claws but with the Scythe they're a piece of cake and tons of karma, but that's not gonna do you any good when you're on a claws-run. Sorry. Gut it out with the gatling and items and refill at Muramasu afterwards is about the best I can think of. It's gonna cost you but at least you get the kills.

 zoj mastaninja wrote:

lol the gatling gun does nothin against them theres to many well maybe it does but evrytime i tried they would just eat me up,and once you enter i dont think you can go back i think

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

That was the only disappointing part, I think it was only 4217, where my previous run was over 4300. I know I missed a few enemies for karma advantage but I still hoped I would have a few more kills than that.
But I have no idea where the guys who have 4500 or so kills found them.

 Xx JAH xX wrote:

@ Bigalski, Mkadt but also Zoj and others, thanks a lot for all the advice on the karmarun. I finally finished my karmarun and beat the crap out of my old score with about 16 mil. thanks to all your karmatips.
Bigalski, I now fully understand what was so time consuming; ch.9 took me 5,5 hours (with breaks) and just ToV 9 took me 3,5 hours (with breaks) to karmafarm the all worms with a Lv.1 KG for a total of 3,5 mil. karma. I'm a bit annoyed though that I have fewer kills than my previous run but there were a few points were I had retreat to certain spot for karma advantage but therefore despawning some enemies. Since this was a karmarun I chose for karma. One example is Ch.3 when you jump in the pit where purple van Gelfs and bugs spawn (just before the Tov). I ran back all the way to the savepoint near the shaft and the body with arrows and all the van Gelfs would gather at the top; each van Gelf can take a truckload of lv.1 arrows (at least 20) and with a free refill of arrows I made a truckload of karma that way but the downside was I despawned all the bugs (of which there are quite a few).
The lv.1 arrows are a very good but very very dangerous way to collect karma by the way, because most of the non-ninja enemies (wolves, demons, dragons) can all take most if not all (and the some) of your lv.1 arrows. So I always tried to keep the last one of a group unharmed to empty my arrows in them. Trouble is most of those enemies can kill you with 1 attack and I suffered numerous times for that.
The other big karmasource were the chainsaw zombies; shoot off their leg and 1 hit them with the KG's UT. I would have never thought of that Bigalski, that was a great tip!

Kudos guys!

 Mkadt wrote:

I could get you on another karma run and cause you to be upset knowing the info now instead of before the karma run.. by letting you know that instead of using the KG on the zombies.. you can take one leg off and dump 20 arrows for 1000 points a shot and then use an OT for 3000 on the same zombie you dumped 20 arrows in .. LOL Same goes for the Van Gelfs.

The flying red dragons in chapter 12 can take 20 arrows a piece and then be UT'd  for 5000... You can delimb a ninja with the WS then jump on his head and use a level 1 charged WS for 2 or more times for 1000 then OT'd for 3000.. You even have time to do this with some of the Van Gelfs against DD.

OOps!! LOL On a side note though.. awesome score you have now.