Superman TAS wrote:

If people are not capable of doing a SEARCH for existing web browser threads - then they don't deserve one

Simple fact - this has been going on and on for 3 and a half years - and there's still no browser.

You folks don't get it - after 3 and a half years, you have nothing new to add - you're simply re-hashing a dead subject. Anything that can be discussed, has been discussed. A search will show all of this, but you folks just simply do not want to

 Marksman134 wrote:

 Superman TAS wrote:

If people are not capable of doing a SEARCH for existing web browser threads - then they don't deserve one

Simple fact - this has been going on and on for 3 and a half years - and there's still no browser.

You folks don't get it - after 3 and a half years, you have nothing new to add - you're simply re-hashing a dead subject. Anything that can be discussed, has been discussed. A search will show all of this, but you folks just simply do not want to

Sorry for the double post but I have to comment on the this. 

You say anything that can be discussed has been discussed, doesn't that mean that they should just shut down any and all forums, kill all phones, and shut down the internet? If we shouldn't discuss old topics and all topics are old why are you here?

You the SEARCHER should be bringing yourself up-to-date to everything that has been discussed.

That way - you can just simply say "I would like a Web Browser too" instead of adding your own reasons why you think it would be great - only to be shot down because your reasons are actually 3 years old and you didn't feel like going through all the several hundred pages of search results

That the kicker right there - people are more than welcomed to their wishes - so long as they understand that wishes remain NON-logical. As soon as folks try to put THEIR version of logic to back it up on why it should come true, there's almost always going to be someone else with a higher understanding of that same logic

That's what is killing this wish - Real World Logic

Until there is a 100% secure browser that does not require AntiVirus or any 3rd party Security Software, or until ALL CyberCrime is removed - this wish just simply is not possible

And if you want to discuss this further - I'm just simply going to refer you to the 3.5 years worth of threads where the bulk of this argument has already been discussed

You can't change the Declaration of Independence, you have to accept it. Same deal here - after 3 long years, it's just simply not going to happen

 Superman TAS wrote:

You the SEARCHER should be bringing yourself up-to-date to everything that has been discussed.

That way - you can just simply say "I would like a Web Browser too" instead of adding your own reasons why you think it would be great - only to be shot down because your reasons are actually 3 years old and you didn't feel like going through all the several hundred pages of search results

That the kicker right there - people are more than welcomed to their wishes - so long as they understand that wishes remain NON-logical. As soon as folks try to put THEIR version of logic to back it up on why it should come true, there's almost always going to be someone else with a higher understanding of that same logic

That's what is killing this wish - Real World Logic

Until there is a 100% secure browser that does not require AntiVirus or any 3rd party Security Software, or until ALL CyberCrime is removed - this wish just simply is not possible

And if you want to discuss this further - I'm just simply going to refer you to the 3.5 years worth of threads where the bulk of this argument has already been discussed

You can't change the Declaration of Independence, you have to accept it. Same deal here - after 3 long years, it's just simply not going to happen

 Superman TAS wrote:

You the SEARCHER should be bringing yourself up-to-date to everything that has been discussed.

That way - you can just simply say "I would like a Web Browser too" instead of adding your own reasons why you think it would be great - only to be shot down because your reasons are actually 3 years old and you didn't feel like going through all the several hundred pages of search results

That the kicker right there - people are more than welcomed to their wishes - so long as they understand that wishes remain NON-logical. As soon as folks try to put THEIR version of logic to back it up on why it should come true, there's almost always going to be someone else with a higher understanding of that same logic

That's what is killing this wish - Real World Logic

Until there is a 100% secure browser that does not require AntiVirus or any 3rd party Security Software, or until ALL CyberCrime is removed - this wish just simply is not possible

And if you want to discuss this further - I'm just simply going to refer you to the 3.5 years worth of threads where the bulk of this argument has already been discussed

You can't change the Declaration of Independence, you have to accept it. Same deal here - after 3 long years, it's just simply not going to happen

Microsoft WE WANT A WEB BROWSER ! ! ! (LOCKED)

surf the web on your 360 link inside

How about adding a web browser!!

web browser

i want web browser

Wish for web browser and external blue-ray drive

Web Browser? (LOCKED)

Does anyone think they are hiding a web browser?

Since you folks want a web browser so badly, I'm sure you won't mind explaining what exactly you intend to do with it, what sites you're going to visit.

Come on - it's not too hard. If you're going to use it for YouTube, Facebook, or MySpace - say so.

If you intend to use it because you don't have a computer or to replace your computer (Or because you can't use your parents' computer), then be aware that you may not get your wish since the XB360 was designed from day 1 to be connected to a Media Center PC, and Microsoft has been pushing this Marketing Tool since before the XB360 came out

You folks stand a much greater chance of specific web site wishes coming true - Why you might ask? Because even though the Wii and PS3 have a browser, they are vulnerable to hacks and phishing

Microsoft’s Xbox 360 is more secure than either Wii or Sony’s PlayStation 3

Ok – so now we’ve established that for as wonderful as it is to have a Browser on a Game Console, there are also serious concerns. What can be done about it? Well, for now, all the consumer can do is Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks, but it still doesn’t change the fact that their browsers are still vulnerable.

With a PC - steps can be taken to secure and protect it.

Even Cell Phones and PDAs can be attacked, but unlike a Console Browser, Protection software can be installed

So what’s the message here? A browser needs software installed in order to protect it. That pretty much leaves the Wii out in the cold, while there is some hope for the PS3 (it is after all, a computer)

Meanwhile, the XB360 is still more secure because it does not have a browser

Wait a minute, there is a browser just for XB360's MCE and it’s 100% safe to the XB360 since the Media Center PC does the actual browsing.

So – for those not wanting a Media Center PC, maybe you should re-evaluate the reasons for not wanting it?

If cost is an issue - there are some low-end Desktops with Vista Home Premium - Media Center is built in

If cost is really an issue, and / or you don't want to part with your existing PC, you can check to see if you can upgrade your OS only for a fraction of the cost of getting a low-end Vista Home Premium PC

Now – let me tell you what I did. When I bought my XB360 two years ago, My PC had Windows XP Professional – no Media Center. For the next year, I slowly upgraded my existing PC (CPU and Memory separate upgrades) Then almost a year after I had my XB360, I bought Windows Vista Ultimate OS only, and installed it on my existing PC.

Now I am enjoying the full benefits of MCE, and I very much like using Media Center plugins on my XB360 – like My Netflix, MCE Weather, MCE Auction, and MCE RRS.

So – while folks are wishing for the XB360 to have a web browser, they do not fully see why it does not have one already, and that there are other options available to still get what they want. I hope those folks wishing for a browser finds this post informative, and educational.

 Superman TAS wrote:

Here's my old Copy & Paste (Copied from http://forums.xbox.com/26749483/ShowPost.aspx) , but it's clear you have two choices - MCE or Specific Web Enabled Content

 Slugs91 wrote:

Xbox live has been going for a number of years now, and is the biggest online console community, yet despite this, it's still missing NUMEROUS features that even it's competitors have picked up on, and this is absolutely ridiculous. In this thread I'm just going to highlight the main three that having been pissing me off lately.


No internet Browser - Despite Microsoft being the only console developer with it's very own Internet Browser, why is it that it doesn't have it's own web browser on XBL, despite the PS3, Wii, and even the NDSL having an internet browser. I find this extremely hard to believe, and I don't see why time hasn't been invested into making this a reality on XBL.

Group/ List Messaging - This is particurlarly annoying when, if you're in my position, and you're trying to message your entire clan in relation to clan activities. Instead of just having a list where all clan members are instantly messaged, instead you have to cycle through your entire friends list, just to be able to highlight everyone, and then check the list 3 or 4 times to make sure you get everyone. And if you're using xbox.com, it gets even better as everytime you add someone to the message list, the page refreshes. What joy!

Clan support - Why is it that we can't organise people into clans, can't have clan tags or any means of identifying ourselves other then spending 800 mp on getting a gamertag change. I mean I find it absolutely ridiculous that Microsoft haven't the means to be able to allow clans to have some sort of means to identify themselves, or to communicate easily.


If anyone has any thoughts on this, let me know :)

 GR33NV1llA1N wrote:

BUT IT IS ALSO USED TO SHOP SO I DO AGREE WIT SOME OF THA THINGS LIKE A BROWSER .... for ex. it should b necessary because
 
1. They are the designers of windows . 
2. They are P.C. developers.

Also , you can save a lot of energy too.

 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.
The other stuff you mentioned I could care less about. Sorry, but that is my opinion.

 Notoriious BAM wrote:

Internet browser

Pros:

• N/A

Cons:

• Defeats the purpose of having a PC/Laptop.
• Make the lazy person, alot more lazy

Group messaging

Pros:

• Send it to select amount of people, instead of retyping same message more then once

Cons:

• Spam

Clan support

• Isn't 'Party Chat' good enough?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for group messaging, you can send a message to more then one person, but not from the console.

 WCF plussy cat wrote:

 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.
The other stuff you mentioned I could care less about. Sorry, but that is my opinion.

So...We are only meant to do one action on each respected item? i guess I can no longer watch movies on my computer or Xbox. I must go buy a DVD player. I cannot lay down on my sofa, i must sit upright on it. I cannot take pictures with my cellphone, i must only use it to place calls. I cannot use a camera to record videos, I must purchase a Camcorder.

See? Does that really make sense? your opinion is poorly brought forth and just utterly stupid.

Sorry, but that is MY opinion.

 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.

 WCF plussy cat wrote:

 Temhotabot wrote:

No, we don't need a web browser on the xbox. That is why I have a computer. I have my xbox for GAMING and my computer for internet browsing.
The other stuff you mentioned I could care less about. Sorry, but that is my opinion.

So...We are only meant to do one action on each respected item? i guess I can no longer watch movies on my computer or Xbox. I must go buy a DVD player. I cannot lay down on my sofa, i must sit upright on it. I cannot take pictures with my cellphone, i must only use it to place calls. I cannot use a camera to record videos, I must purchase a Camcorder.

See? Does that really make sense? your opinion is poorly brought forth and just utterly stupid.

Sorry, but that is MY opinion.

 Temhotabot wrote:

The Xbox is designed specifically for gaming, a pc is designed for other applications unless you buy a gaming pc like alienware. Just because someone is too lazy to go to the computer to do their browsing doesn't mean we should have the app added to the xbox. Before you know it people are gonna be too lazy to look out the window to see how the weather is and will want Weather Bug on live too. I posted because this is a public forum and he was asking for opinions. He got mine, he got yours.

 AltruismIsDead wrote:

I am not here to support either side, since I mainly do all my browsing, XBL message sending etc on my Macbook when I am on XBL. But I also have friends that don't have a PC and use the Wii/PS3 for browsing on the internet.

But my question is, has PS3, Wii or the NDS consoles been exploited by viruses yet since they all have web browsers? I went to google up some answers but haven't found any confirmation on this subject, just people asking questions (like myself) and other people laughing and saying that such and such system will get bricked/hacked/etc because they have web browsers. Otherwise I think the whole myth about the Xbox getting a virus if it had a web browser just boils down to it being a "Microsoft" product and susceptible to viruses since Windows OS' are.

While the answers can be found with a search - the short answer is YES - it has been PROVEN that the Wii and PS3 are susceptible to viruses, in fact there was a proof of concept with the Wii - Twice!

It's not a hoax that hackers will target any Microsoft Browser and OS to try to gain unauthorized entry, which is exactly why MS is strongly enforcing the ToU to prevent people from hacking or modding the XB360.

If you look very carefully at the ToU you agreed to, and if you fully understand how browsers work, then you will come to see that a browser would just invite hordes more people to violate the ToU. Worst of all, they wouldn't even be aware they were violating the ToU - since they were "just browsing" (to sites they're not even aware are dangerous)

Again - folks need to fully understand how things work, and not just stop at what they are happy with

Part of that understanding is how internet security works - there's tons of material on this subject that people simply do not read.

 AltruismIsDead wrote:

If you could provide links to some sites that have information about the PS3/Wii being capable of getting viruses etc that would be greatly appreciated since my search results just bring up forum questions.

I would personally think that while nothing is quite "impossible" to do, something like this would be a stretch (as in getting a virus). In order for this to happen wouldn't one need a Xbox dev kit to basically create an executable virus program then a person would not only have to download it but then run and install it somehow through their 360 (which is how most PC's get viruses)?

It's been years since I've been active in programming so this is basically from prior knowledge.

A virus can be written for any OS

Took me a while to find an existing thread with the answers to your questions, seeing how they were answered a couple of years ago

But just in case the old "Copy & Paste reply" is not sufficient, do a google search on "wii opera vulnerability" to show the Proof of Concept. Bottom line - viruses exploit vulnerabilities as a method to get in undetected

While MS is getting better and better with browser security, IE still has more vulnerabilities than the other browsers, and they're not going to use a 3rd party browser when they can use their own 1st party browser

Bottom line - everything being discussed now has already been discussed at great lengths a long time ago - you can either choose to accept this, or you can choose to search out the truth yourself and come to the same conclusion.

Since you want a web browser so badly, I'm sure you won't mind explaining what exactly you intend to do with it, what sites you're going to visit.

Come on - it's not too hard. If you're going to use it for YouTube, Facebook, or MySpace - say so.

If you intend to use it because you don't have a computer or to replace your computer (Or because you can't use your parents' computer), then be aware that you may not get your wish since the XB360 was designed from day 1 to be connected to a Media Center PC, and Microsoft has been pushing this Marketing Tool since before the XB360 came out

You folks stand a much greater chance of specific web site wishes coming true - Why you might ask? Because even though the Wii and PS3 have a browser, they are vulnerable to hacks and phishing

Microsoft’s Xbox 360 is more secure than either Wii or Sony’s PlayStation 3

Ok – so now we’ve established that for as wonderful as it is to have a Browser on a Game Console, there are also serious concerns. What can be done about it? Well, for now, all the consumer can do is Avoiding Social Engineering and Phishing Attacks, but it still doesn’t change the fact that their browsers are still vulnerable.

With a PC - steps can be taken to secure and protect it.

Even Cell Phones and PDAs can be attacked, but unlike a Console Browser, Protection software can be installed

So what’s the message here? A browser needs software installed in order to protect it. That pretty much leaves the Wii out in the cold, while there is some hope for the PS3 (it is after all, a computer)

Meanwhile, the XB360 is still more secure because it does not have a browser

Wait a minute, there is a browser just for XB360's MCE and it’s 100% safe to the XB360 since the Media Center PC does the actual browsing.

So – for those not wanting a Media Center PC, maybe you should re-evaluate the reasons for not wanting it?

If cost is an issue - there are some low-end Desktops with Vista Home Premium - Media Center is built in

If cost is really an issue, and / or you don't want to part with your existing PC, you can check to see if you can upgrade your OS only for a fraction of the cost of getting a low-end Vista Home Premium PC

Now – let me tell you what I did. When I bought my XB360 two years ago, My PC had Windows XP Professional – no Media Center. For the next year, I slowly upgraded my existing PC (CPU and Memory separate upgrades) Then almost a year after I had my XB360, I bought Windows Vista Ultimate OS only, and installed it on my existing PC.

Now I am enjoying the full benefits of MCE, and I very much like using Media Center plugins on my XB360 – like My Netflix, MCE Weather, MCE Auction, and MCE RRS.

So – while folks are wishing for the XB360 to have a web browser, they do not fully see why it does not have one already, and that there are other options available to still get what they want. I hope those folks wishing for a browser finds this post informative, and educational.

 Superman TAS wrote:

 AltruismIsDead wrote:

Snip.

A virus can be written for any OS

Took me a while to find an existing thread with the answers to your questions, seeing how they were answered a couple of years ago

But just in case the old "Copy & Paste reply" is not sufficient, do a google search on "wii opera vulnerability" to show the Proof of Concept. Bottom line - viruses exploit vulnerabilities as a method to get in undetected

While MS is getting better and better with browser security, IE still has more vulnerabilities than the other browsers, and they're not going to use a 3rd party browser when they can use their own 1st party browser

Bottom line - everything being discussed now has already been discussed at great lengths a long time ago - you can either choose to accept this, or you can choose to search out the truth yourself and come to the same conclusion.