Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

Does anyone know which full 360 games are confirmed native 1080p? (non-arcade titles)

Did you look at the list above .

So there's only 2?

That is known . 720p is in most games .

"I really dont thinlk Microsoft will fix this issue" - What do you mean? Like i said then 1920 x 1200 is one of the most common resolutions these days. Not every monitor has 1:1 pixel mapping so a 1920 x 1200 resolution (even if it's 1080p with black bars) is needed. And not everyone can put their Xbox 360 behind a TV be it because of money or space.

And adding just black bars to an already ready resolution wouldn't really be hard.

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

Does anyone know which full 360 games are confirmed native 1080p? (non-arcade titles)

Did you look at the list above .

So there's only 2?

That is known . 720p is in most games .

that sucks... what about ps3? do you know how many native 1080p games there are?

 Vince604 wrote:

that sucks... what about ps3? do you know how many native 1080p games there are?

You would need to go to the PS3 forums for that answer, not here

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 Superman TAS wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

that sucks... what about ps3? do you know how many native 1080p games there are?

You would need to go to the PS3 forums for that answer, not here

whatever

1080p doesn't seem worth it as a lot of people have 720p HDTV's and games wouldn't run and therefor look as good with the higher resoltuion.

But 720p can easily be changed to 1080p (like it already is). So now just add black bars to 1080p (or 720p that is stretched to 1080p) and make it 1920 x 1200.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

1080p doesn't seem worth it as a lot of people have 720p HDTV's and games wouldn't run and therefor look as good with the higher resoltuion.

But 720p can easily be changed to 1080p (like it already is). So now just add black bars to 1080p (or 720p that is stretched to 1080p) and make it 1920 x 1200.

I can appreciate that you want another Option for the Settings of Resolution when Connected with the VGA but "just adding black bars" (Letterbox) is not a Format Resolution. Resolution is the active lines that are part of the Picture, not a Format for determining what is "boxed" out.

In other words, it might be considered false advertisement to say it "Supports 1920 x 1200" and then just give you a Letter Box frame around everything. Think of how people would react if it said "1920 x 1200" on the Settings under VGA and then people tried it only to get a Letter Box. 

It took MS almost two years to add most of the VGA Support it has now. Just don't expect MS to go jumping on and adding more anytime soon. They might do something like this in the future but then again they might not ever. Instead of Wishing (and waiting) for a possible future supported idea, you might want to go out and just get an HDTV (or different Monitor).

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It's not like it has to advertise "Supports 1920 x 1200". So just adding black bars should  be fine, becuse it's also easy. And i already talked about geetting a new monitor or a HDTV. 1920 x 1200 is one of the most common resolutions these days.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

It's not like it has to advertise "Supports 1920 x 1200". So just adding black bars should  be fine, becuse it's also easy. And i already talked about geetting a new monitor or a HDTV. 1920 x 1200 is one of the most common resolutions these days.

And you have to understand - that getting an actual HDTV is the best solution, I still stand behind that as well

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from saving your hard earned money for the 2 or 3 years it would take to buy an actual HDTV, less time than that if you get a smaller HDTV

But you have to be willing to compromise. And so far, you don't want to. You want MS to give into you and give you what you want - but what are you going to do if or when they do not? What we're trying to say is that sometimes, you have to give into the best recommended solution, even if you do not like it

Remember - you're not the only one with financial issues - lots of people are feeling it, they all save for what they want, even if it takes them years to get it. Sorry to say, but you're no different.

That's not trying to start a fight - that's showing that there are more people who share the same financial problems as you do - and what they are doing about it.

Again - there's nothing wrong with this wish, but you do have to prepare for the very real possibility of this wish not coming true for a while, if it even does. If you don't prepare, you're only setting yourself up for greater disappointment if the wish does not come true, as you keep justifying why the wish should come true

You do not have any control over the wish coming true any more than anyone one else not on the XB360 development team, you do however have control over yourself and your ability to save money with a goal in mind

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 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

It's not like it has to advertise "Supports 1920 x 1200". So just adding black bars should  be fine, becuse it's also easy. And i already talked about geetting a new monitor or a HDTV. 1920 x 1200 is one of the most common resolutions these days.

"Advertise" or "Supports" are both subjective and one in the same in this case. If there was a System Setting that stated 1920 x 1200 (right at the bottom of all the other VGA Resolutions)  and it only added a Letter Box, people would complain about this. I can here it now, "this is M$ trying to give it to us again".

You might see simply adding a Letterbox to correct an Un-Supported Format as a solution, others will see it as "false" Resolutions or claims of Support. It either Supports the Resolution Formats "Displayed" or it does not.

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 Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

Does anyone know which full 360 games are confirmed native 1080p? (non-arcade titles)

Did you look at the list above .

So there's only 2?

That is known . 720p is in most games .

that sucks... what about ps3? do you know how many native 1080p games there are?

There are over 26 that are known . A (1) All Pro Football 2K7 B (1) [ps] Blast Factor C (2) [ps] Calling All Cars College Hoops 2K7 D (1) The Darkness F (3) Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer [ps] flOw Full Auto 2 Battlines G (0) H (2) Harry Potter [ps] High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition I (0) J (0) K (0) L (1) [ps] LocoRoco Cocoreccho! M (2) Marvel Ultimate Alliance [ps] Mesmerize™: Distort (Playstation Eye) MLB The Show N (3) NBA ‘07 NBA 2K7 Ninja Gaiden O (0) P (4) Pirates of the Carribean [ps] PixelJunk™ Monsters [ps] PixelJunk™ Racers [ps] Piyotama R (0) S (2) Street Home Court [ps] Super Stardust HD T (2) Transformers The Movie [ps] Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection U (0) V (1) Virtua Tennis 3

Well. I bought the Xbox 360 for 700$ when it launched (it cost 700 in my country) and i pay for Live so would just adding black bars to a current resolution really hurt them?

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Seriously, 1920 x 1200 is one of the the common resoltution these days. Please, Microsoft needs to support this. Is it actually that hard? There pictures don't have to be even full-screen. Just put it so i can put it on and it would put 1920 x 1080 resolution, but just adds black bars.  My monitor doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping so i can't do it myself.

So please, add 1920 x 1200 resolution - i can just have black bars - can't be that hard. So many people have this resolution, i'm sure i'm not the only one.

Single step scaling is ideal because it will minimize scaling errors. However, I don't know if there's enough bandwidth to output 1920 x 1200 and multi-channel audio.

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 Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

 ML KioncWarlord wrote:

 Vince604 wrote:

Does anyone know which full 360 games are confirmed native 1080p? (non-arcade titles)

Did you look at the list above .

So there's only 2?

That is known . 720p is in most games .

that sucks... what about ps3? do you know how many native 1080p games there are?

Higher res doesn't equal better visuals

One you've passed certain level, resolution becomes secondary (the same applies to color)

http://forums.xbox.com/28946070/ShowPost.aspx

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 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Well. I bought the Xbox 360 for 700$ when it launched (it cost 700 in my country) and i pay for Live so would just adding black bars to a current resolution really hurt them?

Sorry that you had to pay that much but at that price (depending on Currency Exchange of where you live) it sounds a little overpriced. The price you paid for it though is neither here nor there, neither does paying for a Gold Account.

I do have a question though, are you using the HDMI Cable for your Connection or a VGA Cable? If you are using HDMI you will only get the standard Resolutions of 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

If you are using a VGA Cable you will get a handful of Supported Resolutions (sorry I have not used mine in a while and don't want to Post with inaccurate Resolutions). The point was though, if you use the VGA Cable and select a Resolution lower of what that is on the Monitor, I thought it gave a Letter Box to the Screen Image it does not fill. Like I said, I have not used mine in a while and I might be wrong on this but I could try it again for accurate results if want.

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The Xbox 360 supports numerous VESA timings via HDMI, DVI and VGA.

Unfortunately, there's no manual control to switch between CEA and VESA timings. Maybe they should added during next spring update.

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 LostKauz wrote:

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Well. I bought the Xbox 360 for 700$ when it launched (it cost 700 in my country) and i pay for Live so would just adding black bars to a current resolution really hurt them?

Sorry that you had to pay that much but at that price (depending on Currency Exchange of where you live) it sounds a little overpriced. The price you paid for it though is neither here nor there, neither does paying for a Gold Account.

I do have a question though, are you using the HDMI Cable for your Connection or a VGA Cable? If you are using HDMI you will only get the standard Resolutions of 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

If you are using a VGA Cable you will get a handful of Supported Resolutions (sorry I have not used mine in a while and don't want to Post with inaccurate Resolutions). The point was though, if you use the VGA Cable and select a Resolution lower of what that is on the Monitor, I thought it gave a Letter Box to the Screen Image it does not fill. Like I said, I have not used mine in a while and I might be wrong on this but I could try it again for accurate results if want.

He has a non HDMI 360, so he's using VGA.

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 Superman TAS wrote:

 LostKauz wrote:

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He has a non HDMI 360, so he's using VGA.

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought but it almost sounds like HDMI Resolutions type "behavior" (he Posted earlier with 720p, 1080i, 1080p, only capable with HDMI). But then in his recent Replies he stated he purchased the Xbox 360 near or at the launch which created some confusion for his Set-Up. If it's a Launch Console it has to be VGA to go to a Monitor.

This is why I asked for him to Reply. Did you use VGA (I thought I remember you stated you did once), if so what happens when a Lower Res then what the Monitor is capable of is picked. Does it Letter Box or simply stretch the screen out. I have one buried somewhere and I'm just feeling lazy to find it right now.

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 LostKauz wrote:

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought but it almost sounds like HDMI Resolutions type "behavior" (he Posted earlier with 720p, 1080i, 1080p, only capable with HDMI). But then in his recent Replies he stated he purchased the Xbox 360 near or at the launch which created some confusion for his Set-Up. If it's a Launch Console it has to be VGA to go to a Monitor.

This is why I asked for him to Reply. Did you use VGA (I thought I remember you stated you did once), if so what happens when a Lower Res then what the Monitor is capable of is picked. Does it Letter Box or simply stretch the screen out. I have one buried somewhere and I'm just feeling lazy to find it right now.

I did use VGA a little more than a year and a 3/4 ago before I upgraded to my current monitor (Gateway 24" HD Display with HDMI) - I wasn't very happy with the way my old monitor (Gateway 22" FPD2275W - no HDMI, but it did have 1:1 Aspect Ratio correction) handled 720p over VGA - it totally messed up the picture and was unviewable - no exaggeration. I was able to duplicate this by setting the PC to 720p over VGA with the same results. I wound up using Component 1080i

So while I do feel for him - I took matters into my own hands and upgraded my monitor for better viewing instead of waiting almost an entire 2 years for 16:10 support. Spent an entire income tax return to get it too - but as I said, I have little complaints until I can actually get my big screen HDTV

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Yes, i use VGA. I also have HDMI for my monitor, but my 360 doesn't support HDMI. And new one costs a lot (i could only dream about buying a Arcade for somethinf as cheap as 200$ or just turning it in or whatever).

I am trying to find a solution for myself, but it would still be great if Microsoft supported 1920 x 1200.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Yes, i use VGA. I also have HDMI for my monitor, but my 360 doesn't support HDMI. And new one costs a lot (i could only dream about buying a Arcade for somethinf as cheap as 200$ or just turning it in or whatever).

I am trying to find a solution for myself, but it would still be great if Microsoft supported 1920 x 1200.

They might, but they might not. All I'm saying is, you have to be prepared with another plan just in case they might not, not matter how strongly you feel how "easy" it is for them to do

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Well. My other solution is buying a new Xbox 360 with HDMI. And i guess i will slowly start to collect the money for it. Then again if will take few years maybe even. So i'm pretty much gonna rely on Microsoft here. After all - why is this Wish list here anyway then?

Wait until fall next year.

MS may release a small-factor version of the X360

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That sure is some waiting.

My 360 will prolly RROD before that and since there is no warranty here i'm gonna get a new one with HDMI. Still - it would be nice if they supported one of the most common resolutions today.

As I've said before, it may not be possible

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Does Microsoft usually responds to these wishlists anyway? Would be great if they'd say anything how easy it would be to add just black bars to a resolutions etc.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Does Microsoft usually responds to these wishlists anyway? Would be great if they'd say anything how easy it would be to add just black bars to a resolutions etc.

The past history speaks for itself - folks have been actively wishing for 16:10 support pretty much ever since the XB360 was launched, and that wish finally got a response with the NXE Update.

Before that, folks wished for 1080p over Component - That wish got a response several months later

What I'm trying to say - is that even if MS was planning on granting this wish - you have to be patient - it's not going to happen right away, and can indeed take several months

MS isn't going to release an update just do your wish can come true - they're going to combine a whole lot of other wishes & updates as well.

I got the latest update with Facebook, Twitter, Last.fm, and MSNBC - but I don't have a VGA cable anymore to test if this wish was granted or not - you're just gonna have to wait. And if it doesn't come true with this update, you're gonna have to wait until the next one

But no - Microsoft usually does not post comments on wishes - because then people would take them as promises and fully expect them to be fulfilled in the next update, or get very upset for not fulfilling that promise. That's pretty much the main reason why they don't post on how easy or difficult it would be to fulfill wishes

Aside from the technical wish itself, it must be approved. And the Techs who makes wishes possible are not in a position to grant or authorize the wish - there's a big long procedure that involves technical, public relations, management, finance, etc etc

No one person at MS is going to comment on wishes because no one person is responsible for making wishes come true - it is a very big group effort

Again - it comes down to you're gonna have to wait, and it may take a long time

I feel for you - but as I said, you should have a "Plan B" ready just in case MS does not fulfill this wish

There's other ways you get Plan B to work - you can sell something you don't need anymore in order to help fund your new XB360 or HDTV - but it requires creativity on your part.

Every time I upgrade to a newer device, my old device is sold on e-bay to help cover the cost of the new device. In some cases – I sell the old device before I buy the new device

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i have 1920 x 1200, just changed from 1680 x 1050

my problem now is before they added black lines to my 1680 x 1050 to make it work. however with my 1920 x 1200

they only option is 1920 x 1080. now thats fine, however they don't put black bars in. so my monitor stretches the picture by 120 pixels.


it would be fine if my monitor could take the source and show it "as is" but it cant. so what i want is the 360 to put out 1920 x 1200 with black bars so its 1920 x 1080


can this not be done?

EDIT: wow superman. way to be a nob. mr i think i know about monitors XD fool

 russian box wrote:

i have 1920 x 1200, just changed from 1680 x 1050

my problem now is before they added black lines to my 1680 x 1050 to make it work. however with my 1920 x 1200

they only option is 1920 x 1080. now thats fine, however they don't put black bars in. so my monitor stretches the picture by 120 pixels.


it would be fine if my monitor could take the source and show it "as is" but it cant. so what i want is the 360 to put out 1920 x 1200 with black bars so its 1920 x 1080


can this not be done?

That is what is being wished - but you have to bear in mind that it took Microsoft 3 years to grant the original 16:10 support wish - it's not up to us to deciede what is simple to grant, and what isn't.

All we can do is hope for the best (Wish Comes True), and prepare for the worst (Wish Not Come True) - That's all I'm pointing out

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Can't edit my post again so...


You can’t just say to somebody BUY A HD TV DER!!!!!

He already has an expensive monitor which is actually better than the so mentioned HD TV

You go on about them as if there amazing. all they are is crappy computer monitors.

This guy already has a computer monitor which can do the rez the xbox puts out and then some, and this is where the problem comes. STREATCHING

HDMI on a computer monitor? That’s like a man with a boobjob. What’s going on there? It’s a TV? It’s a monitor? Its crap?

...go to a ps3 forum for that question. how elitist are you? some people here have both and have knowledge of both games. working in a computer game shop or taking in interest in that type of thing means people here will/might know the answer about 1080p ps3 games so stop bullying.


another thing. Saying it can do 1920 x 1200 and putting black bars won’t be a problem, as they already do that for  1680 x 1050.

 

The guy is not asking for a stupid size. It’s a HD width.

It’s just the height that’s a problem.




@superman   i get that i can't just type somthing on here and EXPECT it done. im just adding that i am also wanting it to not look stretched on my new setup, i am also in no way *** at MS to pull there finger out!!! OMG 3 YEARS! >:(