This must mean they'll also get rid of "unauthorized" HDDs as well. Anybody who tried the cheap shortcut to upgrade their drives better think of a plan B, fast!

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I say we all dump this junk, find a way to emulate the 360 only titles, buy ps3s and send letters to MS telling them why. They are just backing us into a corner.

This was posted in another section, but for those who haven't seen it, there is apparently a fix in the pipe for those who've been locked out.

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 Bunta san wrote:

This was posted in another section, but for those who haven't seen it, there is apparently a fix in the pipe for those who've been locked out.

SO hopefully it'll work for all versions then, bit light on the specifics but at least datel arent abandoning customers and saying tough luck, unlike MS

 Coffeenator wrote:

 xDeadshot wrote:

 ignorant? watch what you say to me kid

i dont care what the reason and why would you go to someone elses house to play games

i play at home on my xbox and thats it

all im saying is i support microsoft in anything they want to do its there show so let them play it
we are nothing more then guests in it

Hmmm you are either trolling at this point or clueless

BTW I'm probably old enough to be your grandpa.

what is trolling?

anyway read what i said i dont know why im getting a bunch of people calling me names and downing me all i said

was i support microsoft i could care less about external memory and someone even said i live in my basement

i live with my gurl and she don't play games she hates games she whines even when i play them

grandpa? i doubt it i'm 28 years of age unless your really old

man i see why nobody posts here unless i have a problem i think i wont post at all nothing but jerks in here uh-huh

If Datel would have made there memory cards the right way in the first place, MS would not have had to disable them.  The key work that most of you are missing is "unauthorized" is this so hard to understand.
So Datel is now doing the right thing and fixing there problem.  
In stead of being pissed at MS you should be Pissed at the company that made the cards in the first place, talk about being ignorant, you guys take the cake!

That's funny since there's no problems with the cards as they are. Even if they wanted to be "Authorized" I doubt Microsoft would let them. They simply will not authorize any storage devices so they won't have any competition, honestly tell me one hd or mu that's not made by Microsoft.

@deadshot The reason people are downing you is because they were rightfully pissed at what microsoft did. Since you don't know about the situation at hand you were called ignorant. I apologize I'm not nearly as mad as I was. The main reason I'm infuriated is because MS has the nerve to say they are blocking the cards because of cheating, when its obvious that its for their budget. Talk about customer satisfaction.

 xDeadshot wrote:

what is trolling?

anyway read what i said i dont know why im getting a bunch of people calling me names and downing me all i said

was i support microsoft i could care less about external memory and someone even said i live in my basement

i live with my gurl and she don't play games she hates games she whines even when i play them

grandpa? i doubt it i'm 28 years of age unless your really old

man i see why nobody posts here unless i have a problem i think i wont post at all nothing but jerks in here uh-huh

Not everybody's situation is the same....
If you live in an area with little or no broadband then external storage is very handy.
If you have a collection of DLC and want to take it to a friends house to play co-op on his, then external storage is handy as you don't have to download it again.
If you want to backup your save games so that you have a backup in case of either being stupid and deleting it or your hard drive dies then external storage is useful.

To not acknowledge other people's views when they have valid points and listening to them when they point out where your points may be lacking is a sign of maturity.

Anyway the way you were talking you sounded like an 16-18 year old ... your still young enough to be my oldest ... he's not willing to see that there are valid viewpoints other than his either.   To be fair it was not till I was in my late 20s when I started seeing how things were not as black & white as I thought that they were.

I was the one that said something to the effect that you live in your parents basement ... I'll apologize for that as it was uncalled for.

I understand the part of where your coming from wanting to stop cheating, but the thing is you don't need a memory unit to do that.  You just need to detach your Official Xbox Hard Drive plug in the Offical Xbox Data transfer cable that comes with the 120GB upgrade and plug it into your PC and use a bit of software off the internet to move data on & off the drive.

BTW it's not microsoft's system ... it's my system as I paid for the Xbox and the Xbox Live, and I was not required to read and sign a contract before I got either of them, so in some places such contracts are considered null and void as they try to changed the terms of purchase after the purchase agreement has been executed.  IANAL, YMMV, etc.

That said I do stay in the spirit of the ToS, if you read the ToS you may find that you, like many people are using unauthorized devices to access the Xbox Live service.   AFAIK none of the following devices officially authorized and are all required to access the Xbox Live service though your Xbox 360...

1. Cable, DSL and Wireless Modems
   
2. Networking Cables (I supposed you could consider the cable that shipps with the Xbox authorized)
   
3. Home Routers and Firewalls
4. Television Set or other Display device

So the "using an unauthorized device to access the service" rule instantly causes all users to be in violation of the ToS so all should be banned if you go with the letter of the law so to say.

I agree that people using modded profiles & games, glitching and whatever else one can do to make gameplay not fun for others or stealing content should be banned.  Banning memory devices because they *may* be used for ill by a *few* people is not right without something significant to back up that the primary or only use of a device is for ill.

@deadshot The reason people are downing you is because they were rightfully pissed at what microsoft did. Since you don't know about the situation at hand you were called ignorant. I apologize I'm not nearly as mad as I was. The main reason I'm infuriated is because MS has the nerve to say they are blocking the cards because of cheating, when its obvious that its for their budget. Talk about customer satisfaction.

   I agree. The ONLY reason Microsoft is locking out the 3rd party MU (Datel) is because they made a GREAT product at a reasonable price. I mean, why would I want to buy just one MU that is expandable with cheap SD cards, when I can buy an overpriced 512MB card? I mean think of ALL of the downloadable content I can fit on 512MB!  (blunt sarcasm)

Thanks Microsoft. Thanks again for reminding the consumer that they will buy what you make for them, not what they actually want to buy. I think SONY had the same buisiness plan when they launched the PS3. Do what's right and either drop the price of your memory units and hard drives, or give us what we want. The next console generation is just around the corner...

 DeviateRogue wrote:

@deadshot The reason people are downing you is because they were rightfully pissed at what microsoft did. Since you don't know about the situation at hand you were called ignorant. I apologize I'm not nearly as mad as I was. The main reason I'm infuriated is because MS has the nerve to say they are blocking the cards because of cheating, when its obvious that its for their budget. Talk about customer satisfaction.

I agree. The ONLY reason Microsoft is locking out the 3rd party MU (Datel) is because they made a GREAT product at a reasonable price. I mean, why would I want to buy just one MU that is expandable with cheap SD cards, when I can buy an overpriced 512MB card? I mean think of ALL of the downloadable content I can fit on 512MB!  (blunt sarcasm)

Thanks Microsoft. Thanks again for reminding the consumer that they will buy what you make for them, not what they actually want to buy. I think SONY had the same buisiness plan when they launched the PS3. Do what's right and either drop the price of your memory units and hard drives, or give us what we want. The next console generation is just around the corner...

Um, I thought the big dashboard update with the facebook and twitter stuff was going to be the one that broke the 3rd party memory cards.  But maybe it was the little update we got earlier this week?  My Datel Memory Max isn't seen by my 360 anymore, ever since this last little update.

So was I mistaken about the timing of when they were going to break the 3rd party MUs, or was MS so excited to **** us off that they pushed out that part of the update early?  sigh.

 DeviateRogue wrote:

That's funny since there's no problems with the cards as they are. Even if they wanted to be "Authorized" I doubt Microsoft would let them. They simply will not authorize any storage devices so they won't have any competition, honestly tell me one hd or mu that's not made by Microsoft.

@deadshot The reason people are downing you is because they were rightfully pissed at what microsoft did. Since you don't know about the situation at hand you were called ignorant. I apologize I'm not nearly as mad as I was. The main reason I'm infuriated is because MS has the nerve to say they are blocking the cards because of cheating, when its obvious that its for their budget. Talk about customer satisfaction.

DeviateRogue knows.

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 JWSpeed wrote:

If Datel would have made there memory cards the right way in the first place

Are you serious they worked fine until the update they were better than the official ones!

I have two one is a datel and one is an official overpriced one

I suspect you dont have either and that leads me to think about your motives on this thread

 xDeadshot wrote:

i support microsoft i could care less about external memory

If you dont care why come in an cause trouble, if you dont understand other peoples problems or care about what theyre saying then of course your gonna get negative replies, what did you expect?

 Khyron wrote:

Um, I thought the big dashboard update with the facebook and twitter stuff was going to be the one that broke the 3rd party memory cards.  But maybe it was the little update we got earlier this week?  My Datel Memory Max isn't seen by my 360 anymore, ever since this last little update.

So was I mistaken about the timing of when they were going to break the 3rd party MUs, or was MS so excited to **** us off that they pushed out that part of the update early?  sigh.

I imagine that it was slipped in as part of the patch to add "Wireless Adapter WPA2 support" either intentionally or by accident.  The only notification that Major Nelson gave as part of this issue was as part dashboard update.

Adding WPA2 support probably required an updated to the kernel on the 360 and the "fix" to disable non-offical memory units was already integrated when they merged in the WPA2 support and so this updated killed the memory cards before it was "official" supposed to.

I could also belive that the WPA2 update was just to disguise this update so catch modders unaware as apprently this past week a good number of 360s were banned from the system as being modded (mostly systems modded to allow playing copied games).


On a somewhat related topic ....

Now I'm curious about what happens when somebody sells a modded Xbox to GameStop or some other used game place and another person buys it.  Is it possible to get the system unbanned? Do the used game stores check for such things so they don't sell people what is essentially a useless console?  I can understand MS not wanting modded consoles to be resold and am curious if anybody knows.

 Coffeenator wrote:

 Khyron wrote:

Um, I thought the big dashboard update with the facebook and twitter stuff was going to be the one that broke the 3rd party memory cards.  But maybe it was the little update we got earlier this week?  My Datel Memory Max isn't seen by my 360 anymore, ever since this last little update.

So was I mistaken about the timing of when they were going to break the 3rd party MUs, or was MS so excited to **** us off that they pushed out that part of the update early?  sigh.

I imagine that it was slipped in as part of the patch to add "Wireless Adapter WPA2 support" either intentionally or by accident.  The only notification that Major Nelson gave as part of this issue was as part dashboard update.

Adding WPA2 support probably required an updated to the kernel on the 360 and the "fix" to disable non-offical memory units was already integrated when they merged in the WPA2 support and so this updated killed the memory cards before it was "official" supposed to.

I could also belive that the WPA2 update was just to disguise this update so catch modders unaware as apprently this past week a good number of 360s were banned from the system as being modded (mostly systems modded to allow playing copied games).

I had forgotten that I didn't do the latest update on my old Xbox.  So I tested the Datel MU and it worked fine.  As soon as I did the update, the Xbox doesn't see the Datel MU anymore.  So yep, they killed 3rd party MUs in that last little update. 

Hopefully the Datel fix isn't something MS can break again.

Thanks MS, appreciate how you treat your customers!

 JWSpeed wrote:

If Datel would have made there memory cards the right way in the first place, MS would not have had to disable them.  The key work that most of you are missing is "unauthorized" is this so hard to understand.
So Datel is now doing the right thing and fixing there problem.  
In stead of being pissed at MS you should be Pissed at the company that made the cards in the first place, talk about being ignorant, you guys take the cake!

 

The only difference between authorized and unauthorized memory cards is a stamp on the packaging. That’s it. There’s nothing wrong with the way that Datel made their (please take not of that word, it’s the one you use when showing possession) memory cards. Microsoft is *** over thousands of paying customers simply to spite Datel because Datel made other, unrelated products that MS disapproves of. The key “work” is not unauthorized, it’s “childish.”

 

 Coffeenator wrote:

Now I'm curious about what happens when somebody sells a modded Xbox to GameStop or some other used game place and another person buys it.  Is it possible to get the system unbanned? Do the used game stores check for such things so they don't sell people what is essentially a useless console?  I can understand MS not wanting modded consoles to be resold and am curious if anybody knows.

 

Nope, you’re just out of luck. Check out the Account suspensions and feedback forum. This comes up a lot, and it's funny watching people who have put osbscene things in their profile, or send someone harassing messages (unaware that at a user's request, the XBox team can read said messages) swear up and down that they did nothing wrong.

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 WraithTDK wrote:

Nope, you’re just out of luck. Check out the Account suspensions and feedback forum. This comes up a lot, and it's funny watching people who have put osbscene things in their profile, or send someone harassing messages (unaware that at a user's request, the XBox team can read said messages) swear up and down that they did nothing wrong.

I can understand MS not unbanning an Xbox that they have determined is modded even if there is a different owner as they have no way of determining if it is actually a different person (possibly a different CC acct) or if the new owner would take advantage of it.

Maybe I'll have to have a chat with the local gamestop people to see if they actually check if the used Xbox systems they buy are checked to see if they are banned and what they do if they do check and they are selling them to consumers.

All a normal game advisor will check to see is if the unit works by plugging it in, and thats when they're not busy. An informed manager might ask you if its banned but they don't hook them up to the internet.

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 Bunta san wrote:

All a normal game advisor will check to see is if the unit works by plugging it in, and thats when they're not busy. An informed manager might ask you if its banned but they don't hook them up to the internet.

So it's buyer beware, and check the return policy.
Of course that's SOP or should be buying used.

I'm more mad at M$ than ever. I don't see why they must control all Xbox-related items on the market. They are wasting their time on this. Why don't they ban the 10 year olds with rapidfire controllers or the people who use gamesave hacks to cheat in online games? They'll probably ban me for having a WD 250GB HDD or for using different thermal compound on my CPU and my GPU. I'm just about sick of this. I'm actually considering flashing my xbox and playing MW2 to protest. M$ has enough money, they don't need to be forcing people to buy their products in order to play their games. What happend if M$ cut off all games not made by their studios?

 XBGM3R wrote:

Yeah, I am loyal xbox console gaming console since 2002. Now, thats what I really **** off at MS will disable the unauthorized MU for Xb360. I refusing to get update for my F$%*ing system via firmware.. I MEAN IT! otherwise I will get used the OEM MS 20GB HDD for online such as multi-players and others. I can switch ones of MS HDD, one storage device is for gaming saves, back up files, etc.. and other storage device for online.. thats simple..

lol. yea, try that. lemme know how it works out for you.  that MU is dead once that update rolls out: if you update that 360 youre Mu is useless, wont matter what hdd you have hooked up to it after the fact.

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maybe i'm slow or something but how can people cheat , mod or steal with a memory card? can somebody please explain how you could've done that before the update.

 DeviateRogue wrote:

That's funny since there's no problems with the cards as they are. Even if they wanted to be "Authorized" I doubt Microsoft would let them. They simply will not authorize any storage devices so they won't have any competition.

FWIW...I'm one of the proud owners of a now bricked Datel 2GB MU.

I think the only reason MSFT has to ban them, is the ability to use them with a PC via the included USB adapter, opening the door to modding, etc.

If they were designed by Datel, like the XBOX MUs, I don't think there would be an issue.

Come on...even though I assume the vast majority of us use them within the scope of the ToS, I can see where MSFT may need to step in to close a wide open door to abuse.

Now Datel needs to step up and give us replacment MUs that meet MSFTs requirements.

To meet "Microsoft's requirements", Datel will have to open up the checkbook, then sigh, and give it to Microsoft, along with any credit cards and bank accounts that it owns.

There are no hardware requirements that make Datel MUs "unauthorized" according to MS.

It's about licensing.

Licensing, heh, is about money.

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