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   05-15-2009, 2:27 PM
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Re: Goku v.s. Superman
 IwillKILLurGOD wrote:

Superman has this. Here's why:

No feats in DB/DBZ/DBGT show Goku with speed or strength that can match Superman. It doesn't matter what they say or what it appears, since it varies episode to episode. Saying something is "faster than light" is untrue except for Instant Transmission, mainly because they can make their beams go at varying speeds, so there's nothing to say Goku can shoot beams or move faster than light. Let's not forget how many times a base human has knocked Goku or any DB character on their quantum singularity, regardless of what their powerlevel is.

Superman really depends on what version you use him. Say you go with Silver Age Superman, someone who's strong enough to juggle planets. Can Goku match the strength of that? No, not a chance. One hit and Goku would be blown apart essentially. And Superman does have feats that show how fast he is. He has flown out of a black hole, travelled through time, flown across the world within seconds, etc. And that's not even during his most powerful times.

Hell, if you go with someone like Superman Prime, imagine those feats plus someone who can punch through dimensions.

Goku doesn't have a chance in hell, regardless of form, mainly because his forms never showed him doing much. And in a battle, you can't ASSUME anything, you can only go with what has been shown.



Freiza is capable of destroying a planet with his death ball, by GT Goku has surpassed Freiza 1000 times over. Heck, Cell and Freiza were both trying to defeat him at the same time, both of which were in their final forms. Goku was not only in his base form but had also been reduced to a child's body and was still capable of toying with them quite easily.

Goku can move extremely quickly in battle when he wants to, this is probably most apparant when Hercule is trying to watch him fight Cell but can't see a single thing; it then moves to a scene of the two fighting at a relatively normal pace. This shows that they actually slow it down to some extent so we can actually tell what is happening, were as it's obvious they're still moving super fast because Hercule can't see them.

"Let's not forget how many times a base human has knocked Goku or any DB character on their quantum singularity, regardless of what their powerlevel is."
Erm... maybe in Dragonball but i don't think anyone in here is comparing Kid Goku to Superman...

"Hell, if you go with someone like Superman Prime, imagine those feats plus someone who can punch through dimensions."
Well Gotenks has screamed his way through dimensions and SSJ3 Gotenks is much weaker than Goku at his max....

I'm starting to get the impression you don't know much about the dragonball franchise at all

And i'm pretty sure everyone is talking about modern age superman.



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   05-15-2009, 2:40 PM
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 jeffmanjoe wrote:
Superman would win HEY HEY!!!!   please dont rant cuz i have an explanation.

Spirit bomb demolish: Goku needs the energy of other people to make a spirit bomb. They dont need a reason to give energy to him so why bother?
Spirit Bomb wouldn't harm Superman anyway, it only harms evil beings. He could still make use of a spirit bomb by absorbing it though. The rules on taking the energy are a bit vague, when he fought Freiza he took energy from some deer for god sake, it's not like they know what's going on. But later on he has to ask for energy, which shows an obvious lack of consistancy.

Assuming he needed to ask for energy he could have Hercule ask for him, as he's far more popular than Goku.
Superman would be losing to ss4 Goku BUT... it takes up loads of ki! Ha ha! anyway... Goku will fight but defuse and then Superman (sadly) will beat him senseless.
Goku has proven he can stay in his SSJ4 form for long periods of time, he's fought entire battles in the past as SSJ4 so why would this be any different? He has trouble staying in the form in the video games but that is purely for gameplay and balance reasons alone.
Gogeta SS4 with 100X bing bang kamehameha can kill him though. Thats what your mixing him up with. SS1 ultimate will be even match for a long time. Where will Goku find Kryptonite? Superman will be hitting him. Instant transmission? superman is faster than light.  Catch up, Freeze, Goku break free, kamehameha, batman survives and on and on..... dadadada, OOH looks theres Vegeta! lets fuse! Halfway through the dance Superman Punches vegeta. kills goku. Vegeta praises him and they have coffee. Or tea. Whatever floats your boat.
1.I wouldn't want to drink tea or cofee with someone who just punched me.
2.Goku wouldn't need kryptonite or fusion anyway

Find the dragonballs, wish Goku back, and veg, Goku and Supes Live cool lives witnessing the events of the world, ending world hunger and poverty( somehow... its Goku Vegeta and Superman, they can do anything) and stop conflict and war!




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   05-25-2009, 6:21 PM
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 H0rr0r Sc0pe wrote:

Freiza is capable of destroying a planet with his death ball, by GT Goku has surpassed Freiza 1000 times over. Heck, Cell and Freiza were both trying to defeat him at the same time, both of which were in their final forms. Goku was not only in his base form but had also been reduced to a child's body and was still capable of toying with them quite easily.


Maybe so, but again, to argue with them doing battle, you have to go with feats that they have accomplished. Otherwise it's just a web of what can's and what can'ts they do.

Goku can move extremely quickly in battle when he wants to, this is probably most apparant when Hercule is trying to watch him fight Cell but can't see a single thing; it then moves to a scene of the two fighting at a relatively normal pace. This shows that they actually slow it down to some extent so we can actually tell what is happening, were as it's obvious they're still moving super fast because Hercule can't see them.


Which isn't that hard to do apparently. Even lower levels they were moving faster than human eyes could see them. Nothing to compare them to the speed of Superman who has flown across the universe within seconds.

I'm starting to get the impression you don't know much about the dragonball franchise at all


I've watched it since before DBZ even made it's way here to the States. I've watched every episode, it all just depends on how people want to compare these battles.

And i'm pretty sure everyone is talking about modern age superman.


From the looks of most of the comments on this thread, most people aren't even aware that there are different takes on Superman. And there was no specification, which could mean that Goku in GT doesn't count since most don't find that canon.
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   05-25-2009, 8:17 PM
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 IwillKILLurGOD wrote:

Maybe so, but again, to argue with them doing battle, you have to go with feats that they have accomplished. Otherwise it's just a web of what can's and what can'ts they do.
I honestley don't see how it isn't credible, if he's capable of toying around with a being that can blow up an entire planet, no, 2 beings that are capable of destroying planets and both at the same time, while in his weakest state imaginable then he could quite easily do the same. Infact he could do much much more.


Which isn't that hard to do apparently. Even lower levels they were moving faster than human eyes could see them. Nothing to compare them to the speed of Superman who has flown across the universe within seconds.
Now that you mention it, i'm pretty sure they were capable of moving this fast as early as Dragonball, Goku's power has been multiplied by over a million compared to what it was then, meaning he's considerably faster too.

To be honest some of Supermans feats are pretty retarded, i mean he juggled planets? how the hell do you juggle a planet because there is no gravity to bring the planet back down -_- it's a perfect example of poor comic writing. Thankfully they saw sense after a while.

I've watched it since before DBZ even made it's way here to the States. I've watched every episode, it all just depends on how people want to compare these battles.


From the looks of most of the comments on this thread, most people aren't even aware that there are different takes on Superman. And there was no specification, which could mean that Goku in GT doesn't count since most don't find that canon.
Well that really depends if you're a fan of the anime or the manga, GT isn't cannon to the manga  at all, heck neither is Brolly, either of the Garlics, Super Android 13 etc. The thing that i always found weird is that the majority of DBZ fans haven't even so much as glanced at the manga but have watch the entire anime through start till finish but still insist any additions to the anime arn't cannon. Well they are, just not cannon to the manga.

I do believe Superman Prime isn't cannon either btw.



When Vegitto was fighting Super Buu, just the very fact that the two were fighting was enough to start distorting space it self, imagine what SSJ4 Goku would be capable of if he even tried.




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   06-20-2009, 12:25 PM
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Goku for the win.
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   06-20-2009, 12:28 PM
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 R IE IF IL IE X wrote:
Goku for the win.


Lol all the serious discussion, with facts and statistics, then this comes along.

It made me lol. I like it

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   06-20-2009, 12:41 PM
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 H0rr0r Sc0pe wrote:
 R IE IF IL IE X wrote:
Goku for the win.


Lol all the serious discussion, with facts and statistics, then this comes along.

It made me lol. I like it

LoL, I just don't like to overcomplicate things. Especially a discussion over fictional characters. Stick out tongue [:P]
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   06-21-2009, 11:58 PM
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Goku cuz he has way more strengths and powers. all superman can do is shoot lasers for his which goku can easily reflect
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   06-22-2009, 5:21 PM
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 xxXNinjaHeroXxx wrote:
Goku cuz he has way more strengths and powers. all superman can do is shoot lasers for his which goku can easily reflect



Hopefully you are being...sarcastic

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   06-22-2009, 5:48 PM
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yep Yes [Y]
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   07-01-2009, 2:51 AM
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Wow, you guys put a lot of time, thought, and effort into comparing two fictional characters. But in case you havent noticed, its all about the writers. They can just decide that Goku is stronger and faster or vice versa. I mean its all imaginary. Why they hell are you even trying to compare what could not EVER possibly be proven wrong or right? Its NOT REAL! lol man.
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   07-01-2009, 3:03 AM
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They bored like the rest of us simple
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   07-01-2009, 3:52 AM
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 XFaulty CameraX wrote:
Wow, you guys put a lot of time, thought, and effort into comparing two fictional characters. But in case you havent noticed, its all about the writers. They can just decide that Goku is stronger and faster or vice versa. I mean its all imaginary. Why they hell are you even trying to compare what could not EVER possibly be proven wrong or right? Its NOT REAL! lol man.
Exactly! Stick out tongue [:P]
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   07-01-2009, 3:58 AM
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 XFaulty CameraX wrote:
Wow, you guys put a lot of time, thought, and effort into comparing two fictional characters. But in case you havent noticed, its all about the writers. They can just decide that Goku is stronger and faster or vice versa. I mean its all imaginary. Why they hell are you even trying to compare what could not EVER possibly be proven wrong or right? Its NOT REAL! lol man.
its real for me, if i can do kamehameha's in my dreams imagine what goku could do.
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   07-01-2009, 4:04 PM
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lol ok. What if you couldn't controll it and blast everything ?
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   07-04-2009, 8:30 AM
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 xxXNinjaHeroXxx wrote:
lol ok. What if you couldn't controll it and blast everything ?


Lol

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   07-04-2009, 5:05 PM
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lol i serious what someone like hey and your like hey then BAM you blow him up with a kama wave
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   08-22-2009, 11:29 AM
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always goku win because he is best and its fighiting skill is more
and he doesnot lose his fight like meCool [H]
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   08-22-2009, 9:23 PM
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How about Goku vs. Superman Prime??????????????????????

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   08-23-2009, 4:24 AM
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ok to kill this instantly and put it to rest outside of what wizard thinks bcuz there people 2... Superman golden age might stand a chance against goku.... superman now would get owned by goku...literally i dont think goku would fight he'd probably send kuririn if not him goten... let me explain briefly..... batman said it best when wonder woman told superman she would totally kick his azzz... she told superman and i quote im a trained warrior of combat i could totally beat you... superman replied but i got super speed... wonder woman replied yes but i have combat instincts.... superman said batman what do you think.... batman said you would not like the answer i would give you... in other words in a serious one on one goku would own superman... hes strong but he's still flesh and blood... goku's chi is almost clost to magic supermans weakness magic... he can absorb the suns rays but a fully concentrated kamehameha at arms lengths distance dead aimed at supermans heart. not ...going to survive..... secondly... in hand to hand supermans not a real fighter either...goku's a shaolin martial artist who's probably at rank of grand lord because he's already exceeded normal physical limits... if goku went ecvil sprinkled krptonite dust on his fist and bust superman in his moutth goodbye world hellooo jebus...
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   09-19-2009, 4:54 AM
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If superman kills Goku then Goku can be wished back and kick his a*s*s. And remember Goku can turn Supersayin 4 Superman can turn into Clark Kent. lol

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   09-28-2009, 9:17 PM
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 FirstCru5ader wrote:

If superman kills Goku then Goku can be wished back and kick his a*s*s. And remember Goku can turn Supersayin 4 Superman can turn into Clark Kent. lol



^^lol win.

ok well as battles draw out doesnt goku get stronger plus the longer the battle goes on what happens when  both get tired, it only took goku 1 min to regain energy to fight kid buu again plus he can draw energy from the entire galaxy as long as there is life(ppl, flowers, animals etc) um this is all in SSJ1 2,3,4 obv enhance speed n strenght but what other feats can he do in them. he also has the instant transmission and the ability to shoot beams which he has full control over and should he need to run sumwhere supes has no way of finding him while he regains his strenght for the next round. if that doos happen then goku being a SAIYAN comes back stronger each time he loses a fight...if supes has to run tho goku can sense him where ever he would go....


 supes from what i heard dont need the sun like he used to and is prolly faster running and flying but is he rly stronger??? that i dont know but he can run through a black hole someone said? i thot only the flash could do that lol or did he just punch through one?

well all i can say is both r broken n it rly depends on how u wanna interpret it. DC will never let supes' lame quantum singularity lose from what i hear lately adn he appearantly beat hulk in a crossover though it was oted by fans...thats the other debate ppl say hulk has limitless power cuz of his rage lol but thats for another discussion
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   11-04-2009, 8:26 PM
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Richard Simmons can take them both down simultaneously.
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   11-11-2009, 6:52 AM
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lol just throw this in there but goku gets stronger after every battle, its in his genes for the race, is mentioned in the series frequently but if im not mistaken superman only gets his power from the sun, well goku has his powers anywhere he goes

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