Why do people thing Shaq cause the league to put in zone defense? Has it be said or something? I thought it was put in because of the lack of mid range jump shooting and that pure fans were not tuning it into the games? Plus the fact that the way our pros play (3 or drive) that we were losing a step in international play and that by making our guys shoot the mid range shop it would force us away from the two man game or solely depending on the superstar or even played like Charles and Shaq that would dribble so long trying to jock for position on the post...

 Just Nasty86 wrote:

Sadly sometimes people refuse to admit that basketball is in fact a team sport. At times the NBA can seem like a one man show, but when it's all said and done it takes a true team effort to win.

Kobe is great, but he can't work miracles, not even Jordan would have led that Lakers team to the playoffs. You cannot tell me that the Lakers squad two years ago was better than the likes of Ron Harper, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley, Stever Kerr, and Toni Kucoc. I don't care how good Jordan was fact remains he always had one heck of a squad around him and would not have won 6 rings without that type of All Star supporting cast. It's a team sport. I know it's easy to forget about the guys around him because the media only focused on MJ, but you have to realize that he did have a great group of players with him.

That lineup blows the doors off the likes of Odom, Mihm, Butler, Sasha, and George.

If Jordan made his players so much better then why does he only average a single assist over Kobe?

btw when Jordan retired for a year, these so called bad players that Jordan made incredibly better went 55-27 without him, and won in the first round of the playoffs.

Nasty when I said the Bulls of 90-93 thats Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, MJ, and John Paxon! That is a miracle. And I ain't even gonna name you who was on the bench cause I'm not sure if you even watched professional ball then. Study up, do your homework. Jordan invented the term role player cause he made them that, that's how great he made the players around him. And in his prime he could have done it with those Lakers you mentioned. 

   I'll never forget 72-10 that's untouchable, and comparing their first threepeat with their second is like comparing apples and oranges. But MJ didn't have to make all those players great some already where. Rodman came to the Bulls as the best rebounder in the league, with 2 rings on his hand. Pip had been made already. Like I said, I'm not a hater. Kobe is great, he's only 28, he's still got time to improve and elevate his game to make the others around him better. Although I don't see it happening Kobe can still win a championship even without Shaq.

Well Horace Grant and Pippen were great back then. But, it's cool I'm not trying to take anything away from MJ, I know he'll always be seen as the #1 player ever. I just think Kobe is a lot closer to him then people say he is, but difference in opinion is one of the many things that makes the world go round.

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 Just Nasty86 wrote:

Well Horace Grant and Pippen were great back then. But, it's cool I'm not trying to take anything away from MJ, I know he'll always be seen as the #1 player ever. I just think Kobe is a lot closer to him then people say he is, but difference in opinion is one of the many things that makes the world go round.

theres no way you can even compare kobe bryant to MICHAEL JORDAN!

thats just wrong.

 

 

 twothreejumper wrote:

 Just Nasty86 wrote:

Sadly sometimes people refuse to admit that basketball is in fact a team sport. At times the NBA can seem like a one man show, but when it's all said and done it takes a true team effort to win.

Kobe is great, but he can't work miracles, not even Jordan would have led that Lakers team to the playoffs. You cannot tell me that the Lakers squad two years ago was better than the likes of Ron Harper, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley, Stever Kerr, and Toni Kucoc. I don't care how good Jordan was fact remains he always had one heck of a squad around him and would not have won 6 rings without that type of All Star supporting cast. It's a team sport. I know it's easy to forget about the guys around him because the media only focused on MJ, but you have to realize that he did have a great group of players with him.

That lineup blows the doors off the likes of Odom, Mihm, Butler, Sasha, and George.

If Jordan made his players so much better then why does he only average a single assist over Kobe?

btw when Jordan retired for a year, these so called bad players that Jordan made incredibly better went 55-27 without him, and won in the first round of the playoffs.

Nasty when I said the Bulls of 90-93 thats Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scottie Pippen, MJ, and John Paxon! That is a miracle. And I ain't even gonna name you who was on the bench cause I'm not sure if you even watched professional ball then. Study up, do your homework. Jordan invented the term role player cause he made them that, that's how great he made the players around him. And in his prime he could have done it with those Lakers you mentioned. 

   I'll never forget 72-10 that's untouchable, and comparing their first threepeat with their second is like comparing apples and oranges. But MJ didn't have to make all those players great some already where. Rodman came to the Bulls as the best rebounder in the league, with 2 rings on his hand. Pip had been made already. Like I said, I'm not a hater. Kobe is great, he's only 28, he's still got time to improve and elevate his game to make the others around him better. Although I don't see it happening Kobe can still win a championship even without Shaq.

 Dont forget kerr, williams and longley too

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 YOCSTL wrote:

Why do people thing Shaq cause the league to put in zone defense? Has it be said or something? I thought it was put in because of the lack of mid range jump shooting and that pure fans were not tuning it into the games? Plus the fact that the way our pros play (3 or drive) that we were losing a step in international play and that by making our guys shoot the mid range shop it would force us away from the two man game or solely depending on the superstar or even played like Charles and Shaq that would dribble so long trying to jock for position on the post...

 because that is what happened!!!

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MJ or DR J

Lebron James do tha math take any great player from any era and compare them to leborn at 21 to any of them no one has ever been that good that young.  its scary to think how good hes going to become.  take jordan two years out of high school theres no way he could do what leborn did. kobe, t-mac, magic, bird none of them could.

The Lebron at 20-21 doen not work for me because he did not accomplish what Magic did at 20 and that is win a ring. Don't get me wrong Lebron is a beast and a good player but their are tons of talented men that if they were allowed to play right after highschool could have shocked the world like Lebron...Wilt of example would have been a dominate rookie/highschool or even the Big O because they were playing a different game than the pros...All that being said you can't knock a player because of his era, and I don't mean to do that in this case but at age 20 Magic had a ring and an MVP FINALS award...Shoot, Lebron was lght years ahead of his class but with Wades championship and finals MVP he close that gap real quick and if he get another one this year the we will have a Peyton v Brady discussion in basketball. So to even but the unproven Lebron in this discussion is to early and only time will tell, because for me in order to be great you have to meet criteriors like championship, impact on the game, impact on your team, dynasty (prove you are dominate), and do you make your teammates better and Lebrom on has 2 of the foour (Impact on team and making teammates better) and first has to come out of his franchise as the most dominate player then the league, then all-time status...in due time for the youmg fella...btw, if he continue to do stuff like walk of the court early like he did last week then character could cause a setback in how he is viewed...remeber we all had Scottie Pippen as a first ballot Hall of Famer but after his display of poor choices in Chicago and Portland we now even dout his worthiness...

 

Don't let ESPN cloud you judgement

 

 

 YOCSTL wrote:

The Lebron at 20-21 doen not work for me because he did not accomplish what Magic did at 20 and that is win a ring. Don't get me wrong Lebron is a beast and a good player but their are tons of talented men that if they were allowed to play right after highschool could have shocked the world like Lebron...Wilt of example would have been a dominate rookie/highschool or even the Big O because they were playing a different game than the pros...All that being said you can't knock a player because of his era, and I don't mean to do that in this case but at age 20 Magic had a ring and an MVP FINALS award...Shoot, Lebron was lght years ahead of his class but with Wades championship and finals MVP he close that gap real quick and if he get another one this year the we will have a Peyton v Brady discussion in basketball. So to even but the unproven Lebron in this discussion is to early and only time will tell, because for me in order to be great you have to meet criteriors like championship, impact on the game, impact on your team, dynasty (prove you are dominate), and do you make your teammates better and Lebrom on has 2 of the foour (Impact on team and making teammates better) and first has to come out of his franchise as the most dominate player then the league, then all-time status...in due time for the youmg fella...btw, if he continue to do stuff like walk of the court early like he did last week then character could cause a setback in how he is viewed...remeber we all had Scottie Pippen as a first ballot Hall of Famer but after his display of poor choices in Chicago and Portland we now even dout his worthiness...

 

Don't let ESPN cloud you judgement

 

 

Without a doubt, let's wait at least 6-7 more years. Cause something just doesn't sound right with saying the world champion Cleveland Cavaliers. Try to say it out loud with a straight face.... see what  I mean.

tha post says greatest player of all time not greatest champion of all time if you compare lebron on his talent alone he's better than anyone.  example kobe has 3 rings but he's not a better player than lebron.  and kobes older compare them both at 21 it aint even close.

 Da Ankle Breaka wrote:

tha post says greatest player of all time not greatest champion of all time if you compare lebron on his talent alone he's better than anyone.  example kobe has 3 rings but he's not a better player than lebron.  and kobes older compare them both at 21 it aint even close.

 LJ is a great player but with that being said he has a long way to go, many more years of b-ball before u can call the best.

maybe someday , but not today!!!

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 Da Ankle Breaka wrote:

tha post says greatest player of all time not greatest champion of all time if you compare lebron on his talent alone he's better than anyone.  example kobe has 3 rings but he's not a better player than lebron.  and kobes older compare them both at 21 it aint even close.

 

My opinion is that all of the guys in the NBA are great players when you campare their GOD given ability to NORMAL humans...So when you group all of that talent you new Player of the week, month, year, All Star selections and CHAMPOINSHIP to seperate the grossly talented from the Greatest of All Time. You should look at the whole body of work and them tally up the score and make a choice. So as of NOW the greatest of all time when you add it all up (titles, all stars selections, all pro teams, MVPS, impact on the game, worldwide impact, skills and the "it" factor) MICHAEL JORDAN is the GOAT it is close depending on where you live,if you saw his games, if you can be unbias and judge the body of work and it is MJ...MJ's off the court empire should tell you that everybody wanted a piece of this guy and all of that was because he coulD flat out play and worked at being the best!

Now will Lebron get there maybe, if I was a betting man I would say yes...but not now...and if you all want to have another run for a decade like MJ had then we should not push Lebron or he might burst under the pressure (i.e. Penny, Kobe, Vince Carter, TMAC) let it happen folks let it happen and enjoy it so when he retires we can have another 5 year let down full of lockouts and poor games...

 

I'm assuming you mean PROFESSIONAL, so I won't mention Earl Manigault

Julius Erving, the great and wondrous "Dr. J," was the dominant player of his era, an innovator who changed the way the game was played. He was a wizard with the ball, performing feats never before seen: midair spins and whirls punctuated by powerful slam dunks. Erving was one of the first players to make extemporaneous individual expression an integral part of the game, setting the style of play that would prevail in the decades to follow. A gracious, dignified, and disciplined man, Erving was the epitome of class and an ideal ambassador for the game.

Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1993); NBA champion (1983); NBA MVP (1981); All-NBA First Team (1978, '80, '81, '82, '83); All-NBA Second Team (1977, '84); 11-time All-Star (1977-87); All-Star MVP (1977, '83); J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award (1983); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
ABA Honors: ABA champion (1974, '76); ABA MVP (1974, '76); co-MVP (1975); All-Star First Team (1973, '74, '75, '76); All-Star Second Team (1972)

In his final season, he became the third professional player, after Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, to score more than 30,000 career points

Year Ag Tm  Lg     G   MP   FG  FGA  3P  3PA   FT  FTA  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST STL BLK  TO  PF  PTS
+---------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
 1972 21 VIR ABA   84 41.8 10.8 21.7 0.0  0.2  5.6  7.5  5.7 10.0 15.7  4.0         4.1 3.1 27.3
 1973 22 VIR ABA   71 42.2 12.6 25.4 0.1  0.3  6.7  8.6  3.7  8.5 12.2  4.2 2.5 1.8 4.6 2.8 31.9
 1974 23 NYA ABA   84 40.5 10.9 21.3 0.2  0.5  5.4  7.1  3.1  7.6 10.7  5.2 2.3 2.4 4.1 3.2 27.4
 1975 24 NYA ABA   84 40.5 10.9 21.5 0.3  1.0  5.8  7.2  3.4  7.5 10.9  5.5 2.2 1.9 3.6 3.0 27.9
 1976 25 NYA ABA   84 38.6 11.3 22.3 0.4  1.2  6.3  7.9  4.0  7.0 11.0  5.0 2.5 1.9 3.7 2.6 29.3
 1977 26 PHI NBA   82 35.9  8.4 16.7           4.9  6.3  2.3  6.1  8.5  3.7 1.9 1.4     3.1 21.6
 1978 27 PHI NBA   74 32.8  8.3 16.4           4.1  4.9  2.4  4.1  6.5  3.8 1.8 1.3 3.2 2.8 20.6
 1979 28 PHI NBA   78 35.9  9.2 18.7           4.8  6.4  2.5  4.7  7.2  4.6 1.7 1.3 4.0 2.7 23.1
 1980 29 PHI NBA   78 36.1 10.7 20.7 0.1  0.3  5.4  6.8  2.8  4.6  7.4  4.6 2.2 1.8 3.6 2.7 26.9
 1981 30 PHI NBA   82 35.0  9.7 18.6 0.0  0.2  5.1  6.5  3.0  5.0  8.0  4.4 2.1 1.8 3.2 2.8 24.6
 1982 31 PHI NBA   81 34.4  9.6 17.6 0.0  0.1  5.1  6.7  2.7  4.2  6.9  3.9 2.0 1.7 2.6 2.8 24.4
 1983 32 PHI NBA   72 33.6  8.4 16.3 0.0  0.1  4.6  6.0  2.4  4.4  6.8  3.7 1.6 1.8 2.7 2.8 21.4
 1984 33 PHI NBA   77 34.8  8.8 17.2 0.1  0.3  4.7  6.3  2.5  4.4  6.9  4.0 1.8 1.8 3.0 2.8 22.4
 1985 34 PHI NBA   78 32.5  7.8 15.8 0.0  0.2  4.3  5.7  2.2  3.1  5.3  3.0 1.7 1.4 2.7 2.6 20.0
 1986 35 PHI NBA   74 33.4  7.0 14.7 0.1  0.4  3.9  5.0  2.3  2.7  5.0  3.4 1.5 1.1 2.9 2.6 18.1
 1987 36 PHI NBA   60 32.0  6.7 14.2 0.2  0.9  3.2  3.9  1.9  2.5  4.4  3.2 1.3 1.6 2.6 2.3 16.8

OH Yeah, he was also the guy JORDAN grew up pretending he was on the court.

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I see your Dr. J and raise you these questions...

Would you say Dr. J (in his era) was more dominate than Larry Bird? And if you think he was was it a close 2nd? Who is a close second to MJ, including Dr, J?

Can your Dr. J shoot, dribble, defend, make others better, and win champoinships better than Jordan, Magic, or Larry Bird?

Is your Dr. J more athletic than Jordan, Wilkens, Oscar, or could he just dunk?

Didn't it take other Hallmof Fame guys on Dr. J's team to win the championship? And didn't he lose in the playoffs constanltly to other Hall of Fame guys.

Don't get me wrong the Dr. was a good player and exciting, but really his all around game was constanlty up for debate during his era...

Also here are the names of others that played in his era and you tell me if it would be easy to draft Dr. J over them:

Kareem

Magic

Bird

Moses

Earl

Finger roll

Wilt

Bing

Lenny Wilken

Thomas

McHale

Dominque

Barkley

Worthy

The New Your 70's backcourt

The Lakers backcourt

 

PG..Oscar Robertson

SG..Michael Jordon

SF..Larry Bird

PF..Bill Russel

C..Wilt Chamberlin

 

No Doubt About It.....Although Magic Johnson, Kareem, and Pistol Pete should be there...

 YOCSTL wrote:

I see your Dr. J and raise you these questions...

Would you say Dr. J (in his era) was more dominate than Larry Bird? And if you think he was was it a close 2nd? Who is a close second to MJ, including Dr, J?

Can your Dr. J shoot, dribble, defend, make others better, and win champoinships better than Jordan, Magic, or Larry Bird?

Is your Dr. J more athletic than Jordan, Wilkens, Oscar, or could he just dunk?

Didn't it take other Hallmof Fame guys on Dr. J's team to win the championship? And didn't he lose in the playoffs constanltly to other Hall of Fame guys.

Don't get me wrong the Dr. was a good player and exciting, but really his all around game was constanlty up for debate during his era...

Also here are the names of others that played in his era and you tell me if it would be easy to draft Dr. J over them:

Kareem

Magic

Bird

Moses

Earl

Finger roll

Wilt

Bing

Lenny Wilken

Thomas

McHale

Dominque

Barkley

Worthy

I'l see your questions, and raise you these answers.....

 

Can your Dr. J shoot, dribble, defend, make others better, and win champoinships better than Jordan, Magic, or Larry Bird?

Perhaps you didn't know that Doc was the ALL-TIME steals leader when he retired......( see stats above)

Did you just question Doc's athleticism?????

What skill is Jordan most known for again??

You ask if he made his teammates better...he made a basketball GENERATION better......ask Jordan who he pretended to be on the playground.

In 1974( his ABA title year and  first of his 3 consecutive MVP awards),  he ranked sixth in the league in assists and third in both steals and blocked shots while winning a scoring title

Would you say Dr. J (in his era) was more dominate than Larry Bird? And if you think he was was it a close 2nd? Who is a close second to MJ, including Dr, J?

Jordan NEVER beat the powerhouse teams in a series such as the Celtics and Lakers  of that era, and NONE of the teams after 1990(Jordan's title's era) are considered top 10 all time except for his Bulls, so who was he winning titles against?.......

Didn't it take other Hall of Fame guys on Dr. J's team to win the championship? And didn't he lose in the playoffs constanltly to other Hall of Fame guys.

Doc won the 74' title WITHOUT another all-star on the roster, the only player to do so......

No NBA title team ever won a title without 2 all-stars

Jordan had Pippen, Shaq had Kobe, Olajuwon had Drexler, Bird had McHale, Russel had Cousy, Robinson had Duncan, Kareem had Magic, Hayes had Unseld....all top 50 in NBA history. Keep checking and let me know.

here are the names of others that played in his era and you tell me if it would be easy to draft Dr. J over them

I'm glad you mentioned draft. Erving is one of only (4) college players all time to average 20+ pts. and 20+ rebounds in a season and the only to do it twice, which happened to be his only 2 years as a starter. As a coach, where would you draft someone capabale of unique performances like that from a SG/SF position?

I'll leave you with a Jordan quote...

"I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis and Elgin Baylor, there never would have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."
Michael Jordan

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Funny thing.....

Peopl are jocking Jordan only because he was made the face of the league after Doc's departure. Doc was the league icon before Magic and Bird whom Jordan succeeded. Had Magic not retired in his prime because of HIV, how many more titles would he have won?

 Jordan's Bulls got to coast in a severly weakened Eastern Conference after Atlanta, Boston, Detroit and Philly began  to rebuild. The Cavaliers, Knicks and Pacers( Jordan's main rivalries in the East) were celler dwellers during Jordan's first 7 seasons.

Robert Horry has only averaged 7.5 points per game and 5.0 rebounds per game in his career, but has 6 titles like Jordan. Reggie Miller and Horry both are more reknown as being clutch in playoff games than Jordan is. Are they better? Not IMO, but someone else would argue that of these 3 players, which would you NOT want with the ball in their hands with the game on the line in the final seconds of a playoff/finals game.

I grew up watching and playing basketball, and Doc was my favorite. I loved watching Jordan play too. I will say that Jordan was the most promoted athlete ever with Bo Jackson second.

This discussion will be biased towards Jordan in these forums because, because MOST of the xbox generation never saw anyoone else play.

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 SeanHazz1 wrote:

Funny thing.....

Peopl are jocking Jordan only because he was made the face of the league after Doc's departure. Doc was the league icon before Magic and Bird whom Jordan succeeded. Had Magic not retired in his prime because of HIV, how many more titles would he have won?

Do you remember the 90-91 Finals? Earvin's championship days were gone because of MJ.

 Jordan's Bulls got to coast in a severly weakened Eastern Conference after Atlanta, Boston, Detroit and Philly began  to rebuild. The Cavaliers, Knicks and Pacers( Jordan's main rivalries in the East) were celler dwellers during Jordan's first 7 seasons.

The West's dominance didn't begin until after the strike shortened season of 98-99.
Compare east vs. west records from 90-98, you'll see.

Robert Horry has only averaged 7.5 points per game and 5.0 rebounds per game in his career, but has 6 titles like Jordan. Reggie Miller and Horry both are more reknown as being clutch in playoff games than Jordan is. Are they better? Not IMO, but someone else would argue that of these 3 players, which would you NOT want with the ball in their hands with the game on the line in the final seconds of a playoff/finals game.

You're right.

I grew up watching and playing basketball, and Doc was my favorite. I loved watching Jordan play too. I will say that Jordan was the most promoted athlete ever with Bo Jackson second.

Me too, but Julius knows who the best ever is.

This discussion will be biased towards Jordan in these forums because, because MOST of the xbox generation never saw anyoone else play

.Except me.

 twothreejumper wrote:

 SeanHazz1 wrote:

Funny thing.....

Peopl are jocking Jordan only because he was made the face of the league after Doc's departure. Doc was the league icon before Magic and Bird whom Jordan succeeded. Had Magic not retired in his prime because of HIV, how many more titles would he have won?

Do you remember the 90-91 Finals? Earvin's championship days were gone because of MJ.

 Jordan's Bulls got to coast in a severly weakened Eastern Conference after Atlanta, Boston, Detroit and Philly began  to rebuild. The Cavaliers, Knicks and Pacers( Jordan's main rivalries in the East) were celler dwellers during Jordan's first 7 seasons.

The West's dominance didn't begin until after the strike shortened season of 98-99.
Compare east vs. west records from 90-98, you'll see.

Robert Horry has only averaged 7.5 points per game and 5.0 rebounds per game in his career, but has 6 titles like Jordan. Reggie Miller and Horry both are more reknown as being clutch in playoff games than Jordan is. Are they better? Not IMO, but someone else would argue that of these 3 players, which would you NOT want with the ball in their hands with the game on the line in the final seconds of a playoff/finals game.

You're right.

I grew up watching and playing basketball, and Doc was my favorite. I loved watching Jordan play too. I will say that Jordan was the most promoted athlete ever with Bo Jackson second.

Me too, but Julius knows who the best ever is.

This discussion will be biased towards Jordan in these forums because, because MOST of the xbox generation never saw anyoone else play

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MJ beat a health Magic for his first title...

 

Doc was not the face of the NBA have you heard of West? Doc was the face of the ABA, the bankrupt ABA...Doc was the face of revolution and the new game (the game that was present on the blacktop but banned from the NBA) and that means something too. Don't get me wrong the doc is a great player, but is lack of all around game keeps him from being the best...could the Doc play point for a year like MJ...can the Doc handle the ball like a PG

 

Reggie Miller and Horry were never more clutch than Mike Jordan....I belive MJ had more 4th qtr compbacks than them both and clutch was redefined by MJ because he could be clutch on the defense (Malone strip is one that come to mind) Face it MJ changed the game by being the frst GAURD to dominate the way he did...the first GAURD to win championship...keep in mind the Dr. is considered a big and other gaurd needed their bigs to win championships. As fer as Horry...never make the mistake to think Horry was the teams goto guy...remember Shaq and Kobe and Duncan...Horry just hit the shot like Kerr and Paxson before him. Now Reggie is clutch but when you needed it he did not get it...to win championships his clutch evaporated against Shaq and he gave Detroit a championship when Price caught hin from behind to perserve a win...clutch means nothing if you do not get the ring...or its not a valued, would you agree?

 

Doc was good but not as good an all around player as other all time greats. ALL AROUND

 YOCSTL wrote:

MJ beat a health Magic for his first title...

 

Doc was not the face of the NBA have you heard of West? Doc was the face of the ABA, the bankrupt ABA...Doc was the face of revolution and the new game (the game that was present on the blacktop but banned from the NBA) and that means something too. Don't get me wrong the doc is a great player, but is lack of all around game keeps him from being the best...could the Doc play point for a year like MJ...can the Doc handle the ball like a PG

 

Reggie Miller and Horry were never more clutch than Mike Jordan....I belive MJ had more 4th qtr compbacks than them both and clutch was redefined by MJ because he could be clutch on the defense (Malone strip is one that come to mind) Face it MJ changed the game by being the frst GAURD to dominate the way he did...the first GAURD to win championship...keep in mind the Dr. is considered a big and other gaurd needed their bigs to win championships. As fer as Horry...never make the mistake to think Horry was the teams goto guy...remember Shaq and Kobe and Duncan...Horry just hit the shot like Kerr and Paxson before him. Now Reggie is clutch but when you needed it he did not get it...to win championships his clutch evaporated against Shaq and he gave Detroit a championship when Price caught hin from behind to perserve a win...clutch means nothing if you do not get the ring...or its not a valued, would you agree?

 

Doc was good but not as good an all around player as other all time greats. ALL AROUND

 yes

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Dr. J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbm6b-6gvpo

 

Michael Jordan

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFxXSXGd4hs

 

View then tell me who is better

 

 

Dr. J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbm6b-6gvpo

 

Michael Jordan

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFxXSXGd4hs

 

View then tell me who is better

 

 

Another name I'd like to put in the hat is "Bernard King"! This guy was the perfect baller! Due to injuries he wasn't able to show his true dominance! But, the guy was a monster! One of the best!

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LAKERS (became fan when KAREEM joined)
COWBOYS (became fan around '74)
YANKEES (Became fan when REGGIE joined)