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   07-29-2008, 6:05 PM
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 TRC Solo wrote:
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WT* what??? lies!!! wt* are they doing are they ever gonna fix this shi* seriously.If microsoft knew the meaning of testing though we would never have broken 360's every other month. Yet another *** up makes me wanna just spend all my money on microsoft products


Ignorance is bliss.  Last time I checked Tecmo designed the game and Tecmo isn't Microsoft.  Programming isn't as simple as there's an issue let's quick go undo it.  Having ran an update I'm not sure if the system would allow them to "undo" the update as that would then cause problems for people who have it.  Not everyone scours the forums to find the secret clear cache buttons.  Not everyone with an XBox 360 even has a computer. 

Besides that just knowing what the problem is doesn't mean you're able to simply say yes that's the cause of the problem.  After you find the bug then you need to find the cause of the bug.

After identifying the cause of the problem you then need to work out a fix for it.

After working out a fix for it they then need to test their fix to see if that broke something else so ignorant people don't whine and complain about how the update broke their game.

Fixing one problem when dealing with programatic issues usually results in another problem.  Trying to get everything working isn't a simple 24 hour fix.  Certainly we paid for the game and they owe it to us to fix the problem, but being a jerk about it when you're clearly ignorant to what goes into the programming side of things just pisses me off.  Fixing stuff like this isn't a simple we'll release a new auto-update tomorrow morning and this will all go away.

Uh-oh. Looks like Tecmo hired themselves a lawyer.


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   07-29-2008, 6:13 PM
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No I was simply stating that they should have tested it before releasing the update and we would never be in this mess in the first place
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   07-29-2008, 6:15 PM
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 xoXD3M0NXox wrote:
No I was simply stating that they should have tested it before releasing the update and we would never be in this mess in the first place

I was referring to Solo.


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   07-29-2008, 6:23 PM
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The ONLY unexcusable and unbelievably stupid thing they didn't do, which they SHOULD, is ...

... why in the name of god is it so hard to just ERASE the last update, put on the one before, which was working FINE, so that people can actually play the game online and upload scores ?!

I can understand the need to test the new update and the DLC, but c'mon, not reverting the last update is just pure laziness in my eyes.


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   07-29-2008, 6:32 PM
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 TRC Solo wrote:
Fixing one problem when dealing with programatic issues usually results in another problem.  Trying to get everything working isn't a simple 24 hour fix.  Certainly we paid for the game and they owe it to us to fix the problem, but being a jerk about it when you're clearly ignorant to what goes into the programming side of things just pisses me off.  Fixing stuff like this isn't a simple we'll release a new auto-update tomorrow morning and this will all go away.


I disagree.  Don't get me wrong, I make my living writing code, but calling someone "ignorant" because they're pissed off the game they bought doesn't work is absurd.  I was looking forward to playing some NG2 this past weekend, but guess what?  "Developers don't work on the weekend."  (Man, I need to try that the next time there's a problem with the servers at my work!)

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   07-29-2008, 6:32 PM
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this is ridiculous. DLC is great but it has made developers LAZY. Why the *** is the "bad patch" even still available? Good lord...it would be nice if they would at least give us an update!

 

Personally, I want an explanation as to why I have to disconnect my ethernet cable for fear of downloading what is essentially a VIRUS because it will cause my game to FREEZE and not work properly.

WHY IS THE PATCH STILL UP IF IT IS BREAKING THE GAME?

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   07-29-2008, 7:02 PM
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 KurosawasGhost wrote:
WHY IS THE PATCH STILL UP IF IT IS BREAKING THE GAME?


I'd like to echo that question.

Just got a cutscene crash on Chapter 10.  I moved away from PC gaming to avoid this rubbish.
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   07-29-2008, 7:34 PM
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I wonder if this warrants a class action law suit.

Is there a lawyer in this forum?
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   07-29-2008, 7:48 PM
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It's amazing how this all got looked over, Last I heard it takes weeks for patchs to be approved by microsft for the xbox 360.
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   07-29-2008, 9:17 PM
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May be this is the problem? Huh? [:^)] May be they work to hard.... Mhhhhh...

"Itagaki evidently also sparked a chain reaction as a large number of Tecmo employees filled a class action lawsuit against the company for long hours of unpaid overtime."





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   07-29-2008, 9:21 PM
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 TRC Solo wrote:
 xoXD3M0NXox wrote:
WT* what??? lies!!! wt* are they doing are they ever gonna fix this shi* seriously.If microsoft knew the meaning of testing though we would never have broken 360's every other month. Yet another *** up makes me wanna just spend all my money on microsoft products


Ignorance is bliss.  Last time I checked Tecmo designed the game and Tecmo isn't Microsoft.  Programming isn't as simple as there's an issue let's quick go undo it.  Having ran an update I'm not sure if the system would allow them to "undo" the update as that would then cause problems for people who have it.  Not everyone scours the forums to find the secret clear cache buttons.  Not everyone with an XBox 360 even has a computer. 

Besides that just knowing what the problem is doesn't mean you're able to simply say yes that's the cause of the problem.  After you find the bug then you need to find the cause of the bug.

After identifying the cause of the problem you then need to work out a fix for it.

After working out a fix for it they then need to test their fix to see if that broke something else so ignorant people don't whine and complain about how the update broke their game.

Fixing one problem when dealing with programatic issues usually results in another problem.  Trying to get everything working isn't a simple 24 hour fix.  Certainly we paid for the game and they owe it to us to fix the problem, but being a jerk about it when you're clearly ignorant to what goes into the programming side of things just pisses me off.  Fixing stuff like this isn't a simple we'll release a new auto-update tomorrow morning and this will all go away.

While all that obvious crap maybe true, the fact is it's an issue we as the consumer should never have had to deal with.  That's the whole point of testing.  It's not supposed to be "hey lets put it out and see what works and what doesn't, we'll work from there".  Stop acting like Tecmo AND microsoft aren't to blame for this crap, Tecmo's programmers are obviously to worried about legal proceding and whatever to test.  It's an update on a Microsoft console makes absolutely no sense to believe that microsoft doesn't bare as much blame for allowing the update(and leaving the damn thing up).  Quit cutting these guys slack, none is deserved, THIS IS THEIR JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!  They get paid to program.  That's what they do.   Acting like it's all complicated leaves me like "wow really, I wasn't aware"  Nobody claimed programming to be easy, but if it's your job then do it right.  No excuses, no sympothy, it's a business, and at the moment a pretty lousy one.  You can't send a space shuttle into orbit and then check for cracks can you??

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   07-29-2008, 9:29 PM
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That goes for your little groupie too.
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   07-29-2008, 9:51 PM
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That goes for your little groupie too.

How'd you know i'm little :-)

I'm not liking this rushing of half tested patches any more then you do, one of the reasons I moved away from pc gaming in the first place. I just merely agree that once a patch is buggy, let's not rush a new one out that might cause new or even worse problems.
That aside, why they haven't yet removed the obviously bad patch is beyond me.
Also, ANY official response from either publisher or developer would be the right and sensible thing to do, and might help us understand what happened and whats being done. I think that would go a long way towards restoring the faith.

 

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   07-29-2008, 10:15 PM
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So whats the status on being able to play again has anyone had any issues lately?
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   07-29-2008, 10:17 PM
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Don't get me wrong I'm as frustrated as the next guy.  I'm on chapter 14 stuck before the Dagra Dai fight on the dual sword achievement.  Couple more fights and I get to play with a new weapon again which so far I haven't used ANYTHING other than the Dragon Sword and the Blade of the Archfiend.  My choice I know, but I'm looking forward to a new run through.  For the guy who programs for a living... yeah who knows if they were or weren't in on the weekend, but you'd know even better than most just how realisitc it would be to patch a bug nobody saw coming in 48 hours or less.

One would think a glitch as obvoius as this would have been caught in testing.  Keep in mind it is very likely that not every consumer who downloaded the patch is experiencing the same issue.  That's the thing with bugs.  They're almost never universal.  That's how stuff gets missed in testing.  The XBL Certification team does rigerous (excuse my spelling) testing on every patch before it hits the servers.  In fact my understanding is that it is a royal pain in the rear and extremely difficult to get stuff through certification.

That being said the guys posing the questions about why not just remove the corrupted update from the servers in the first place?  What about those who have already updated?  Then they won't be able to upload to the servers.  Though right now my understanding is nobody can upload to the scoreboards.  Most people don't know how to clear their cache to get rid of the update. 

On top of that rolling back an update might not even be possible for any number of reasons I can think of.  That would be a question for a dev.  In my line of work I do more testing than designing.

Everything else aside this DLC came out of nowhere.  I would have been happier if they just held onto it for another month or two to put all the nice spit and shine polish on it.  Oh and fix the framerate issue on chapter 10 while they're at it.
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   07-29-2008, 11:09 PM
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 Fresh Kills wrote:
They can't test this junk at all and why haven't they taken that bad update down? It's not the DLC that causes the problem it's the update. I don't have the DLC and cannot progress in chapter 14 with the update. So WHY is the update still up? What do you clowns do with the money we pay? You provide as little dedicated servers as possible so what do you do with the money we pay you?....Besides smoke it Indifferent [:|]
Rofl.... From a CUL of 5 to 3 after this post. You mods and M/S employees are a joke....Example being the update for this game. Truth hurt? Looks like it. You know where to stick that CUL
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   07-29-2008, 11:35 PM
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 Fresh Kills wrote:
They can't test this junk at all and why haven't they taken that bad update down? It's not the DLC that causes the problem it's the update. I don't have the DLC and cannot progress in chapter 14 with the update. So WHY is the update still up? What do you clowns do with the money we pay? You provide as little dedicated servers as possible so what do you do with the money we pay you?....Besides smoke it Indifferent [:|]

Rofl.... From a CUL of 5 to 3 after this post. You mods and M/S employees are a joke....Example being the update for this game. Truth hurt? Looks like it. You know where to stick that CUL

LOL...yeah, they locked my post...

Why is The "Update of Death" for NG2 Still Up?!?

I thought I was pretty reasonable, as I generally sympathized with their situation. What I couldn't (and still can't) understand why they are still trying to force the "Update of Death" on us.

Apparently, I must have "hit a nerve". Wink [;)]

 

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   07-30-2008, 12:08 AM
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 Fresh Kills wrote:
 Fresh Kills wrote:
They can't test this junk at all and why haven't they taken that bad update down? It's not the DLC that causes the problem it's the update. I don't have the DLC and cannot progress in chapter 14 with the update. So WHY is the update still up? What do you clowns do with the money we pay? You provide as little dedicated servers as possible so what do you do with the money we pay you?....Besides smoke it Indifferent [:|]

Rofl.... From a CUL of 5 to 3 after this post. You mods and M/S employees are a joke....Example being the update for this game. Truth hurt? Looks like it. You know where to stick that CUL

LOL...yeah, they locked my post...

Why is The "Update of Death" for NG2 Still Up?!?

I thought I was pretty reasonable, as I generally sympathized with their situation. What I couldn't (and still can't) understand why they are still trying to force the "Update of Death" on us.

Apparently, I must have "hit a nerve". Wink [;)]

nah i'm sure what you hit was yet another thread on the topic instead. Yes [Y]


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   07-30-2008, 12:13 AM
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 Fresh Kills wrote:
 Fresh Kills wrote:
They can't test this junk at all and why haven't they taken that bad update down? It's not the DLC that causes the problem it's the update. I don't have the DLC and cannot progress in chapter 14 with the update. So WHY is the update still up? What do you clowns do with the money we pay? You provide as little dedicated servers as possible so what do you do with the money we pay you?....Besides smoke it Indifferent [:|]
Rofl.... From a CUL of 5 to 3 after this post. You mods and M/S employees are a joke....Example being the update for this game. Truth hurt? Looks like it. You know where to stick that CUL

there's always a better way to express frustration on things.  plenty of members have done it in this thread alone without name calling and other immature suggestions.

i'm sure that was the reason for the CUL drop...couple that with how you just responded and i'd say it was warranted actually. Indifferent [:|]


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   07-30-2008, 1:17 AM
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What a nightmare....so close to finishing my first walkthrough and now this.

Freezing on second cut screen (after armadillos) on chapter 11 - can't even seem to skip the cut screen by usual start or other button press.

Really disappointed by this...NG has always been my fav and despite others' issue with NG2, i think it rocks.

Hurry up with the fix guys....


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   07-30-2008, 2:24 AM
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So whats the status on being able to play again has anyone had any issues lately?
I just put it in and there's not update fix, I'm still getting a freeze right before Dagra Dai. I know that I could erase all the updates for over 30 games, but I'm not going to. They broke it and they need to fix it, not make me spend my time doing a workaround.

This is so disgusting I almost don't want to finish the thing now. This is one gamer who won't be buying Ninja Gaiden 3.

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   07-30-2008, 2:30 AM
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They broke it and they need to fix it...

Bingo!

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   07-30-2008, 3:37 AM
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Dude, Mission Mode is on the market place but I'm still getting that annoying message that pops up every 2 seconds, telling me that my hard drive is disconnected. I'm at a loss for words regarding this whole mess anymore. What do I need to do to play this game as it was intended to be played?

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   07-30-2008, 6:13 AM
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Well, I too make a living writing code, not for games, but code nonetheless. And I must say that I know all too well that a fix to a major problem isn't just written in half an hour.
However, I've said it before and I'll stick to it, they have really got no excuse to force this kind of flawed product on a customer. There are plenty of examples to give where something like this could have grave consequences in business applications. Just imagine a bank's system update and all of a sudden a couple million people couldn't make anymore money transfers. No programmer's gonna get off with a pat on the back with a comforting that their job is hard ya know. A bank's obviously got many testing stages, believe me, I know. I wouldn't expect an entertainment product like a game to go about it that extremely, but it should at least catch something like this before release.
And even if it does happen, they have defenately no right to keep forcing it on us by not reverting to the previous version. You really gonna make those millions of people wait just because you don't wanna spend time to do the quick work on the rollback and make em all late paying their phone bills and get the company sued to helll and back? Stick out tongue [:P]

After all, writing a fix can take a long time, but uploading a backup of an earlier version onto XLive can't be that hard. And it wouldn't even be needed for people to know the cache clearing trick if they just program a deletion routine into the install of their previous update. First let the installer checks for the presence of the corrupt update after which it removes the earlier bad update and then reinstall the working version.
The game itself is on a DVD so it's not like anything was ever changed to the core code, which makes this a very easy thing to do as each one of these updates can be installed on a console with no updates at all installed, no matter how many previous updates have already been released.

Of course, I'm sure they'd likely have to revert their leaderboards to a previous version as well to accept connection from the previous game version and that would cost them some money, but it's their fault of course tnx to insufficient testing. Customer is king ya know.

Like I said, forcing us to keep having to download the update of death is just plain lazyness on account of the developers.
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   07-30-2008, 6:30 AM
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Well, I too make a living writing code, not for games, but code nonetheless. And I must say that I know all too well that a fix to a major problem isn't just written in half an hour.
However, I've said it before and I'll stick to it, they have really got no excuse to force this kind of flawed product on a customer. There are plenty of examples to give where something like this could have grave consequences in business applications. Just imagine a bank's system update and all of a sudden a couple million people couldn't make anymore money transfers. No programmer's gonna get off with a pat on the back with a comforting that their job is hard ya know. A bank's obviously got many testing stages, believe me, I know. I wouldn't expect an entertainment product like a game to go about it that extremely, but it should at least catch something like this before release.
And even if it does happen, they have defenately no right to keep forcing it on us by not reverting to the previous version. You really gonna make those millions of people wait just because you don't wanna spend time to do the quick work on the rollback and make em all late paying their phone bills and get the company sued to helll and back? Stick out tongue [:P]

After all, writing a fix can take a long time, but uploading a backup of an earlier version onto XLive can't be that hard. And it wouldn't even be needed for people to know the cache clearing trick if they just program a deletion routine into the install of their previous update. First let the installer checks for the presence of the corrupt update after which it removes the earlier bad update and then reinstall the working version.
The game itself is on a DVD so it's not like anything was ever changed to the core code, which makes this a very easy thing to do as each one of these updates can be installed on a console with no updates at all installed, no matter how many previous updates have already been released.

Of course, I'm sure they'd likely have to revert their leaderboards to a previous version as well to accept connection from the previous game version and that would cost them some money, but it's their fault of course tnx to insufficient testing. Customer is king ya know.

Like I said, forcing us to keep having to download the update of death is just plain lazyness on account of the developers.

Thank you. Smile [:)]

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   07-30-2008, 7:26 AM
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Downloaded and played MM today.. no problems with MM or campaign.. maybe I'm just lucky?
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   07-30-2008, 7:43 AM
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DL the MM today, played 1st 4 missions and went fine.

Tried the Dagra Dai cutscene and it STILL FREEZES! Sigh.
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   07-30-2008, 1:48 PM
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A Temporally solution will be Delete Caché... and Play offline, so the patches will not be installed (If have problems playing the "stock" game)



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   07-30-2008, 1:54 PM
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What's going on? Is everything fixed or not? Some peoples' games work, some still do not. I'm confused.

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   07-30-2008, 2:23 PM
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What's going on? Is everything fixed or not? Some peoples' games work, some still do not. I'm confused.

the mission mode DLC is back up however the freezing issue is still being looked into.


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