Ultag wrote:

 Ultag wrote:

 Scott47592 wrote:

That's the most promising manufacture date I have heard yet.  Haven't seen anything that new around South Florida yet.  Run out and get yourself a watt meter and report the results.  You owe it to the community.  If you don't you'll end up feeling really bad.



Scott

I'll get a Watt meter from work today.I'm not willing to crack it open guys,sorry.But I'll keep you posted on how many watts it draws.

Well guys,I managed to get a watt meter from work.Using the AnandTech article as reference http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152 Week lot 0831 seems to be the Falcon chip. My watt readings where the same as AnandTech give or take 1 or 2.I used Halo3 the same as the web site also.Sorry guys,I guess we will have to wait a little longer.At least we know lot 0831 in not Jasper.

 irock360ecp wrote:

really dont want to start anything here...and do understand some of you guys maybe have gone through 2,3,4,5,6,7+ ( if you have gone through that many, its user errors to!!) consoles , but just buy one , enjoy and hope for the best! reading some of these posts about how some go to 3 different wal-marts,4 targets,2 eb games, 1 gamestop......4 other stores looking for lot numbers, manu dates....watts......is a little crazy dont you think???!?!?!  we all know the 360 is the best gaming machine and has the most prob's.  i myself had a launch 360 and worked great for about 2 years then started to have the dvd tray have a mind of its own. but no RROD (hate typing that....3 red lights) and knock on wood..my halo 3 console is 1 year old, never had 1 prob (knocks on wood again!) but either just buy a extended warranty if you can at what ever store you buy one, or rely on M$ 3 year warranty on the 3 red lights (and hope you never have any other probs!)...but to drive around the state looking for lot ### and manu dates and what not is little whacked! i myself...and this is my opinion, i built a stand. i raised my 360 with 4 wooden feet (placed right under the stock rubber feet) and raised it almost 1" we all know it gets hot and the design sucks as there isnt much air flow. so i think by raising it up , allows more cool air to enter the console from the bottom vents. maybe what i havent had any probs (besides the dvd tray on my launch).....so wheter you have a opus...falcon, jasper,casper,masper,smalcon....just enjoy the sweet games out nolw and get ready for some sweet ones coming and if it craps out on you , have it replaced or repaired and hope the new one is better.....just my thoughts..

Yeah your  entitled to our own opinion but not everyone thinks that way or wants it that way. I mean if you got the money to drive around town searching for Manufacture dates on a BOX then so be it. Because all I know is that I won't have to be doing anything I'll just wait here for someone Generous enough to Post it online for all of us to be on the look out for that particular date or watts. Also if you got the money to buy a second console so be it. which i really don't mind, 2 is better than one . And then you have the people who don't have a console YET, and heard about this Chip improving the system. So why not do some reading and research on when this New and improved system hits the shelves. And where of a place is perfect to do that well "Right here" of course Xbox.com/forums.

 Ultag wrote:

Well guys,I managed to get a watt meter from work.Using the AnandTech article as reference http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152 Week lot 0831 seems to be the Falcon chip. My watt readings where the same as AnandTech give or take 1 or 2.I used Halo3 the same as the web site also.Sorry guys,I guess we will have to wait a little longer.At least we know lot 0831 in not Jasper.

 Scott47592 wrote:

 Ultag wrote:

Well guys,I managed to get a watt meter from work.Using the AnandTech article as reference http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152 Week lot 0831 seems to be the Falcon chip. My watt readings where the same as AnandTech give or take 1 or 2.I used Halo3 the same as the web site also.Sorry guys,I guess we will have to wait a little longer.At least we know lot 0831 in not Jasper.

Ultag,

Thanks for the input.  This is probably the only reliable way we can begin to figure out if Jaspers are hitting the shelves.  Nobody knows what the power draw differential will be but we do KNOW that the 65nm design will draw less power.  Of course the accuracy of the watt meter, the ability of the person using it, and the game being played can all affect the result.

Sooner or later we will know what a Jasper looks like.... but we're not there yet.  Oh well... it's just a game after all.  It's been a few weeks since I played any video game so I'm in no hurry.

Scott

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

Only by 10nm though, Jasper is by an extra 15nm (25nm smaller than Xenon/Zephyr total) which will still help out quite a bit. It will lower the RRoD percentile.

Also, personally, I have no Xbox 360 and I'd rather get the best one out there. If it means driving all over, so be it. I'd rather have a 360 that's going to last longer so I don't have to send it in for weeks.

And will someone give a post or some more info about Fusker? I asked for details about him and nobody said anything. I'm a newbie, remember? I need some help here.

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

Only by 10nm though, Jasper is by an extra 15nm (25nm smaller than Xenon/Zephyr total) which will still help out quite a bit. It will lower the RRoD percentile.

Also, personally, I have no Xbox 360 and I'd rather get the best one out there. If it means driving all over, so be it. I'd rather have a 360 that's going to last longer so I don't have to send it in for weeks.

And will someone give a post or some more info about Fusker? I asked for details about him and nobody said anything. I'm a newbie, remember? I need some help here.

Jasper isn't going to be common till around Christmas in my opinion, that also includes if there's no delays, then we could be seeing 09, but if you're going to wait that long, you may's well wait for the Valhala, heck, even the X3.

Don't be so paranoid about the failure rate, if it bothers you, get a Falcon now, change a few internal components, way presto, it's better.

all i read is "get a falcon, void your warranty". makes no sense to me. i completely understand the how people feel about getting one now and wanting to wait. its been two years since ive had one. i purchased one last night with mfg date 8-6-08. brick says 175w.  this is the fifth xbox i had . the others (1-3) got rrod within 6 months of initial purchase two years ago. i sold the last one. there are some things i like about the 360 rrod is not one. i take care of all my expensive toys and i dont spend thousands on a entertainment system to run it into the ground, including game consoles. so i decided to take a chance now falcon or jasper, and if something happens, well, thats what the 3 yr service warranty is for and perhaps then, itll be a jasper if i need one.

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

 Scott47592 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

I did not know that.  So the Falcon had an 80nm GPU.  Interesting.  From what I read, the 90 to 80nm die shrink does not incur a redesign of the chip but going down to 65nm does.  So, one has to wonder if the redesigned GPU might contain some power management features on the chip.  The slightly smaller 80nm design would not have had any new power management capabilities since it was the same as the 90nm design.  Maybe nothing like that but who knows getting heat out of the design became a BIG priority.

Still waiting for Jasper - whenever.

Scott

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

 Scott47592 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

I did not know that.  So the Falcon had an 80nm GPU.  Interesting.  From what I read, the 90 to 80nm die shrink does not incur a redesign of the chip but going down to 65nm does.  So, one has to wonder if the redesigned GPU might contain some power management features on the chip.  The slightly smaller 80nm design would not have had any new power management capabilities since it was the same as the 90nm design.  Maybe nothing like that but who knows getting heat out of the design became a BIG priority.

Still waiting for Jasper - whenever.

Scott

In the 60GB Premiums and 360's manufactured after this date have a revised Falcon, they have begun putting the memory chips on the bottom as opposed the RAM, I mean, it'll have taken them 6 months thinking of that, wait till early 09 for a Jasper.

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

 Scott47592 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

I did not know that.  So the Falcon had an 80nm GPU.  Interesting.  From what I read, the 90 to 80nm die shrink does not incur a redesign of the chip but going down to 65nm does.  So, one has to wonder if the redesigned GPU might contain some power management features on the chip.  The slightly smaller 80nm design would not have had any new power management capabilities since it was the same as the 90nm design.  Maybe nothing like that but who knows getting heat out of the design became a BIG priority.

Still waiting for Jasper - whenever.

Scott

In the 60GB Premiums and 360's manufactured after this date have a revised Falcon, they have begun putting the memory chips on the bottom as opposed the RAM, I mean, it'll have taken them 6 months thinking of that, wait till early 09 for a Jasper.

Yeah, I saw that on Ben Heck's site, we'll just have to wait and see. Jasper could be out in stores in the next month or two for all we know.

Note to Fusker: If you're going to leave a comment on this, please be clear. Don't give me this "No, it's not coming out then. I have no idea when it's coming out." stuff. I'd rather have false hope than be left in the dark. It keeps me willing to wait longer for the actual true release instead of buying something else like the T-Mobile G1. :P

 Fusker wrote:

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

 Scott47592 wrote:

 Sythedragon1985 wrote:

The Falcon has a reduced GPU die, the Jasper isn't going to do much at all.

I did not know that.  So the Falcon had an 80nm GPU.  Interesting.  From what I read, the 90 to 80nm die shrink does not incur a redesign of the chip but going down to 65nm does.  So, one has to wonder if the redesigned GPU might contain some power management features on the chip.  The slightly smaller 80nm design would not have had any new power management capabilities since it was the same as the 90nm design.  Maybe nothing like that but who knows getting heat out of the design became a BIG priority.

Still waiting for Jasper - whenever.

Scott

In the 60GB Premiums and 360's manufactured after this date have a revised Falcon, they have begun putting the memory chips on the bottom as opposed the RAM, I mean, it'll have taken them 6 months thinking of that, wait till early 09 for a Jasper.

Yeah, I saw that on Ben Heck's site, we'll just have to wait and see. Jasper could be out in stores in the next month or two for all we know.

Note to Fusker: If you're going to leave a comment on this, please be clear. Don't give me this "No, it's not coming out then. I have no idea when it's coming out." stuff. I'd rather have false hope than be left in the dark. It keeps me willing to wait longer for the actual true release instead of buying something else like the T-Mobile G1. :P

I tell i how it is :-). I know for a fact an august made console will not be a jasper. September manf. date I am trying to confirm either way. You are prob looking at the month of Oct. or Nov. for the first falcon citing, this due to inventory turn slowing down. I will confirm tomorrow about September manf. consoles.

 Fusker wrote:

I tell i how it is :-). I know for a fact an august made console will not be a jasper. September manf. date I am trying to confirm either way. You are prob looking at the month of Oct. or Nov. for the first falcon citing, this due to inventory turn slowing down. I will confirm tomorrow about September manf. consoles.

I hope that parents start realizing Christmas is coming soon; er, wait...

Did I just hope for Christmas advertisements in Mid September?

In the u.k. sales have been very slow for the 360 so much so many stores like argos/zavvi/currys/dixon's/tesco not only have plenty of stock of hdmi arcades with the falcon they also have a tonne of the 60gb falcons.

Now for the shocker many still have the 20gb x box/elites with pro dates of early 07 in stock, imo it could be a long time before we see jaspers on our shelves even with the recent price cut.

 da PaRtYcRaShEr wrote:

In the u.k. sales have been very slow for the 360 so much so many stores like argos/zavvi/currys/dixon's/tesco not only have plenty of stock of hdmi arcades with the falcon they also have a tonne of the 60gb falcons.

Now for the shocker many still have the 20gb x box/elites with pro dates of early 07 in stock, imo it could be a long time before we see jaspers on our shelves even with the recent price cut.

thats crazy. when i got my arcade two nights ago, i had to call 4 or 5 stores before i found one and it was thier last one.

 MJF3719 wrote:

 Fusker wrote:

I tell i how it is :-). I know for a fact an august made console will not be a jasper. September manf. date I am trying to confirm either way. You are prob looking at the month of Oct. or Nov. for the first falcon citing, this due to inventory turn slowing down. I will confirm tomorrow about September manf. consoles.

I hope that parents start realizing Christmas is coming soon; er, wait...

Did I just hope for Christmas advertisements in Mid September?

 Fusker wrote:

I tell it how it is :-). I know for a fact an august made console will not be a jasper. September manf. date I am trying to confirm either way. You are prob looking at the month of Oct. or Nov. for the first falcon citing, this due to inventory turn slowing down. I will confirm tomorrow about September manf. consoles.

What about Missouri....???

lol.

 I really don't mind waiting but I just know i'll be getting desperate by mid-November , can see it now...lol.

 PARALYZED CELLS wrote:

What about Missouri....???

lol.

 I really don't mind waiting but I just know i'll be getting desperate by mid-November , can see it now...lol.

 Scott47592 wrote:

Fusker,

Thanks for the info.  I assumed as much.  Sales are slowing due to the economy and the natural industry trends during the pre-Christmas months so the inventories would clear slower also.  I'll still wait on Jasper.  Maybe we'll start to see them in late October.  Of course that depends on where you are.  If you are out in the middle of Montana... you won't see them there Jaspers for quite a spell. 

Scott

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

 Scott47592 wrote:

Fusker,

Thanks for the info.  I assumed as much.  Sales are slowing due to the economy and the natural industry trends during the pre-Christmas months so the inventories would clear slower also.  I'll still wait on Jasper.  Maybe we'll start to see them in late October.  Of course that depends on where you are.  If you are out in the middle of Montana... you won't see them there Jaspers for quite a spell. 

Scott

Well, according to Microsoft, sales went up 100 percent during the first week they price dropped the Xbox 360, and you usually see people buying more consoles right before Christmas starting in October-ish.

The proof is in the chart. http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=X360&reg1=America&cons2=X360&reg2=America&cons3=X360&reg3=America&start=39026&end=39453

Economy problems or not. Arcade Xbox 360s will still sell. They're only $200 and make a great alternative for a Wii for Christmas so why wouldn't they? So it seems like you'd see Jasper in the Arcade first.

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

Whatever you say. I still believe the reason a lot of people bought a Wii was because it seemed the most family fun for one, and because it was the cheapest console you could get out there.

That's the reason I bought one even, it was cheapest and came with a game.

 Fusker wrote:

I highly doubt price is the only thing considered when buying a video game system.

 Fusker wrote:

 OutwarLackey123 wrote:

Whatever you say. I still believe the reason a lot of people bought a Wii was because it seemed the most family fun for one, and because it was the cheapest console you could get out there.

That's the reason I bought one even, it was cheapest and came with a game.

That is the Walmart strategy what you just described,  Low cost to beat out the competition. Does it work? Of course it does look how successful walmart is. The problem with that logic is not everything can be bought on the low cost method.

People i would assume by video game systems for their entertainment value, not just because its cheap. The fact that the Wii was 249.99 compared to the other systems of 400 and 600 definitly did not hurt its position, but I feel many swallowed up the wii because of how different it was. It was something new that has not been done in the past to such a degree, and for its price was definitly a great deal. It showed great promise and has delivered on it. The price was to entice interest, the actual system gameplay got them to buy it.

I highly doubt price is the only thing considered when buying a video game system.

I agree the nintendo done well with the wii, it sold lots as it was like toy of the year imo see long term problems for it.

I don't think half the people who bought a wii are true or even casual gamers rather people who were curious or swept up in the hype so i can't see them buying much software for the system before it ends up gathering dust at the side of the sofa.

I recently watched an advert for wii big beach sports and the games looked exactly like the other games they've released you even do the same actions with the remote and the graphics looked the same (not surprised)

And theres that new wario game out as well a £34 2d platformer it looks crap like something you would have bought back in 95. When i watched that advert i almost want the wii to fail.

 Patrickmen93 wrote:

Anyone have new infos ?
I found only this today.Maybe this guy has a Jasper

http://www.360drives.com/profile/3611

Hmm but I don't thinks so....

Last time I checked It was called JASPER.....not CASPER....lol.