russian box wrote:

Can't edit my post again so...


You can’t just say to somebody BUY A HD TV DER!!!!!

He already has an expensive monitor which is actually better than the so mentioned HD TV

You go on about them as if there amazing. all they are is crappy computer monitors.

This guy already has a computer monitor which can do the rez the xbox puts out and then some, and this is where the problem comes. STREATCHING

HDMI on a computer monitor? That’s like a man with a boobjob. What’s going on there? It’s a TV? It’s a monitor? Its crap?

...go to a ps3 forum for that question. how elitist are you? some people here have both and have knowledge of both games. working in a computer game shop or taking in interest in that type of thing means people here will/might know the answer about 1080p ps3 games so stop bullying.


another thing. Saying it can do 1920 x 1200 and putting black bars won’t be a problem, as they already do that for  1680 x 1050.

 

The guy is not asking for a stupid size. It’s a HD width.

It’s just the height that’s a problem.




@superman   i get that i can't just type somthing on here and EXPECT it done. im just adding that i am also wanting it to not look stretched on my new setup, i am also in no way *** at MS to pull there finger out!!! OMG 3 YEARS! >:(
 

I was in the same boat several years ago - I've had 16:10 support since the latter half of 2006 - long before MS granted this wish (Last year)

An excellent example of Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst. All I can say, is that folks need to do their product research before they actually buy the product, and make sure that they're going to happy with both the Pros and the Cons - Otherwise they're just going to wind up spending more money getting the product they really want

And you know what - I'm just as guilty as what I just said - I purchased three Computer Monitors since 2006 - each one better than the previous, and only sold one - the one that was completely unable to properly display16:9.
No - It's not easy at all. But in all fairness, one of the monitors was purchased as an upgrade from 22" to 24" and included HDMI - all while the XB360 officially did not support 16:10

It comes right back to what I've been saying this whole time - Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst. And in preparing for the worst - do be sure to do the product research and do be 100% sure that the product you want will deliver the results you want.

Otherwise - you're going to be disappointed because you assumed and expected it to work, and it didn't. And then your only other option is to hope & pray that someone else fixes the problem for you - when it might have been avoided when fully researching the product

Sorry to say - it's a Life Lesson

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russian box speaks the truth.

Anyway - since this is quite simple but needed update i guess my mission is to keep this thread from being buried away so Microsoft could see it and start planning it into a future update.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

russian box speaks the truth.

Anyway - since this is quite simple but needed update i guess my mission is to keep this thread from being buried away so Microsoft could see it and start planning it into a future update.

Again I have to point out - It's simple to you

If it really was so simple - it would have happened a long time ago.

If it's not in this next update, it's pointless to SPAM to keep the thread alive, and it's against the rules

Why else do you think I've been saying "Hope for the Best, but prepare for the Worst"

I do want to see this wish come true - it's a reasonable wish. What's not reasonable is what you're doing

You're gonna to have to give it time - I'd say wait until the next update is Officially released. If the wish isn't granted, then bring this thread back to life again. And update it maybe once every month or so. But every other day just to "keep it alive" isn't going to help

You have to be reasonable too - and you have to acknowledge that there are other solutions, even if they do cost money – That is also the truth

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just put it on 1920x1080 and set your monitor to not stretch it (1:1 ratio). my friend's monitor is 1920x1200 and when i play my xbox on it, i set it to 1:1 and it just puts black bars on the top and bottom instead of stretching it out.

Not all monitors have 1:1 ratio. Althought mine has it can't do it for some reason for 360 (i guesss it only takes HDMI over 1:1).

my friend's is hooked up using an hdmi cable as well and there's no problem

You need a newer xbox for that. The guys who bought the console when it first game out and put their faith in Microsoft don't get HDMI. And only few monitors have 1:1 pixel mapping.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

You need a newer xbox for that. The guys who bought the console when it first game out and put their faith in Microsoft don't get HDMI. And only few monitors have 1:1 pixel mapping.

And as I said - in cases like that, you'll have to do some research to find a better solution

I'll give you a hand since you're not doing this research yourself

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=xbox+360+HDMI+converter&oe=UTF-8&cid=626370122741838654&sa=title#p

It's not going to be as good as direct HDMI, but it might very well be better than what you've got now

Again - it's a matter of "Hope the wish comes true, but be prepared in case it doesn't"

Another saying is "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"

If you're going to keep limiting your options, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment

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There is no way to buy this from my country.

 Lenny Lilac wrote:

my friend's is hooked up using an hdmi cable as well and there's no problem

I'm not commenting on the abundance of ignorance and typos, fighting etc in this thread... @.@

I'm using HDMI to DVI but easily could be doing HDMI straight to the monitor. The Samsung monitor I'm using though doesn't have HDMI but since it has no speakers, HDMI to DVI is the best with PC monitors.

Why? Superman TAS, the reason 1920x1200 is important AS mentioned, is that a 24 inch (for example|) digital monitor is a fraction the cost of an HDTV. And as far as 360 goes, it's pretty much a good size for personal use. It's closer to you than the TV (so the screen size is sometimes the same relative size or bigger) and has a slightly higher resolution if it matters.

Point is, 1920x1200 compatibility would be nice but the extra couple of lines isn't going to make any real difference. Though 360 can do 1080p, it isn't the sweet spot for it yet. 360 is designed for 720p just as Xbox was. While it can do 1080p, who cares? It isn't universal and for now makes no difference to graphics and gameplay, gamers or game makers.

It would only matter for movies, which only recently play at higher than 720p on Xbox 360... legitimately anyway.

AND HDMI like 1080p also isn't universal. It isn't a standard where Xbox is concerned. If you don't have HDMI there's no way to get 1080p out of Xbox 360. I'm of the opinion that until the next Xbox, 1200 lines of resolution make no difference. Until MS supports digital for video only like Displayport, they are making no real commitment to supporting cheap digital PC monitors. As always I find that saddening. But besides that, going off topic, where's the cheap digital audio solution?

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 LZIM wrote:

 Lenny Lilac wrote:

my friend's is hooked up using an hdmi cable as well and there's no problem

I'm not commenting on the abundance of ignorance and typos, fighting etc in this thread... @.@

I'm using HDMI to DVI but easily could be doing HDMI straight to the monitor. The Samsung monitor I'm using though doesn't have HDMI but since it has no speakers, HDMI to DVI is the best with PC monitors.

Why? Superman TAS, the reason 1920x1200 is important AS mentioned, is that a 24 inch (for example|) digital monitor is a fraction the cost of an HDTV. And as far as 360 goes, it's pretty much a good size for personal use. It's closer to you than the TV (so the screen size is sometimes the same relative size or bigger) and has a slightly higher resolution if it matters.

Point is, 1920x1200 compatibility would be nice but the extra couple of lines isn't going to make any real difference. Though 360 can do 1080p, it isn't the sweet spot for it yet. 360 is designed for 720p just as Xbox was. While it can do 1080p, who cares? It isn't universal and for now makes no difference to graphics and gameplay, gamers or game makers.

It would only matter for movies, which only recently play at higher than 720p on Xbox 360... legitimately anyway.

AND HDMI like 1080p also isn't universal. It isn't a standard where Xbox is concerned. If you don't have HDMI there's no way to get 1080p out of Xbox 360. I'm of the opinion that until the next Xbox, 1200 lines of resolution make no difference. Until MS supports digital for video only like Displayport, they are making no real commitment to supporting cheap digital PC monitors. As always I find that saddening. But besides that, going off topic, where's the cheap digital audio solution?

I completely agree - if you read all the posts, you would see that I'm currently using a 24" Gateway computer monitor

However - I did say that it is still no substitute for an actual HDTV - because there will be other things to complain about that MS has no control over

Again - While I do see this wish as technically possible, folks should not expect this wish to come true because it's simple - that's just setting yourself up for disappointment

Again - the phrase "Hope the wish comes true, prepare for alternatives in case it does not" comes to mind. It's the second part that seems to be getting avoided, and putting the responsibility squarely on MS shoulders - that's being set up for disappointment should the wish not come true

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Btw. I wonder if my monitor could do the 1:1 pixel mapping for 360 (that would fix anything) if the cable would just be different? Maybe get a simple adapter that changes the end? Or is it the 360 signal that doesn't let it use 1:1 for some reason.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Btw. I wonder if my monitor could do the 1:1 pixel mapping for 360 (that would fix anything) if the cable would just be different? Maybe get a simple adapter that changes the end? Or is it the 360 signal that doesn't let it use 1:1 for some reason.

You can try, but I haven't had any luck a couple years ago when connecting my XB360 to the monitor using VGA to HDMI or VGA to DVI cables, since both are going from an analog signal to a digital signal

Which is exactly why I recommended that HDMI converter earlier - it might actually be much better than a "standard" converter cable, since it is specifically designed for the XB360 sans HDMI

Again - I think it's your monitor - since I had my XB360 connected through Component, VGA, and HDMI, and 1:1 worked on all inputs

Your monitor might only allow 1:1 through HDMI, which does make sense

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Actually i tried with my computer which connects thru DVI and it had 1:1.

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Actually i tried with my computer which connects thru DVI and it had 1:1.

So what's wrong with using 1080p over VGA then if the monitor does indeed have 1:1 - that should do the exact same thing you are wishing for

Unless analog signals is what your problem may be - since both DVI and HDMI are digital signals and are much "cleaner"

What happens when you try connecting your computer to your monitor using the VGA cable, then set the resolution to 1920x1080? Since the monitor has 1:1, it should be displaying black bars on top & bottom

If this works, then there is no reason why the XB360 should not work as well.

However - If you are able to duplicate the problem on 1920x1080, then your monitor is having a problem rendering a 1:1 analog signal

You should see what you can do about getting that HDMI analog-to-digital converter linked to earlier - because IF Microsoft does not fulfill this wish and IF you are unwilling and/or unable to get a new XB360 with an HDMI port, this may be your only answer. You have to have a back-up plan, and be willing to implement it

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 Superman TAS wrote:

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

Actually i tried with my computer which connects thru DVI and it had 1:1.

So what's wrong with using 1080p over VGA then if the monitor does indeed have 1:1 - that should do the exact same thing you are wishing for

Unless analog signals is what your problem may be - since both DVI and HDMI are digital signals and are much "cleaner"

What happens when you try connecting your computer to your monitor using the VGA cable, then set the resolution to 1920x1080? Since the monitor has 1:1, it should be displaying black bars on top & bottom

If this works, then there is no reason why the XB360 should not work as well.

However - If you are able to duplicate the problem on 1920x1080, then your monitor is having a problem rendering a 1:1 analog signal

You should see what you can do about getting that HDMI analog-to-digital converter linked to earlier - because IF Microsoft does not fulfill this wish and IF you are unwilling and/or unable to get a new XB360 with an HDMI port, this may be your only answer. You have to have a back-up plan, and be willing to implement it

It isn't supposed to give him the option if the connection isn't digital (1080p)

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 LZIM wrote:

It isn't supposed to give him the option if the connection isn't digital (1080p)

I'm confused - to which device are you referring to?

The XB360 is capable of outputting 1920x1080 over VGA (Analog) - it always has been

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/default.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360prosystem/highdefdetails.htm

The only factor that may be a limitation would be the monitor itself, in which case what I have already said is proven to correct. Which brings me back to my suggestion of either getting the HDMI Analog-to-Digital converter; or a new XB360 with an HDMI port

There's really not much of an option left if this wish does not come true, and you can't assume that it will come true just because you want it to. Sorry - but that's the cold truth.

Why else do you think I've been saying "You have to have a back-up plan, and be willing to implement it"

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That's what i'm thiking about. My monitor has 1:1. And it supports 1:1 for both DVI and HDMI so far. But my 360 doesn't seem to work over it. So i need to make sure if it is 360's problem or my monitor's VGA problem. But the thing is that i don't have an adapter. Actually i do have one but the pins are little bit different and it doesn't work. So am i gonna have to buy a new one just for this?

 Juustuveeretaja wrote:

That's what i'm thiking about. My monitor has 1:1. And it supports 1:1 for both DVI and HDMI so far. But my 360 doesn't seem to work over it. So i need to make sure if it is 360's problem or my monitor's VGA problem. But the thing is that i don't have an adapter. Actually i do have one but the pins are little bit different and it doesn't work. So am i gonna have to buy a new one just for this?

You're making less and less sense - are you talking about a DVI-to-VGA adapter that comes with video cards? you can not use that with the XB360 - because it's designed to go from Digital to Analog, not the other way around

Just connect your PC to your monitor with a standard VGA cable, set the PC resolution to 720p and 1080p and see if the monitor adds black bars on the top & bottom while still looking nice. Since it's not working on the XB360, I'm going to guess it won't work with the PC as well.

This will 100% prove or disprove that the problem is with the monitor itself

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