YOCSTL wrote:

Dr. J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbm6b-6gvpo

 

Michael Jordan

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFxXSXGd4hs

 

View then tell me who is better

 

 

MAGIC JOHNSON

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 MO MOSS wrote:

 YOCSTL wrote:

Dr. J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbm6b-6gvpo

 

Michael Jordan

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFxXSXGd4hs

 

View then tell me who is better

L OL!!! MO MOSS that made my day...

MAGIC JOHNSON

 

MO MOSS that made my day...I want to say for the record that I think all of the all time greats rolled into one is the greatest player of all TIME!....

I personally like MJ but if others are chosen as the greatest then I have no problem especially if I was 67 years old and said the Big O

 

 

 YOCSTL wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

 YOCSTL wrote:

Dr. J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbm6b-6gvpo

 

Michael Jordan

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OFxXSXGd4hs

 

View then tell me who is better

L OL!!! MO MOSS that made my day...

MAGIC JOHNSON

 

MO MOSS that made my day...I want to say for the record that I think all of the all time greats rolled into one is the greatest player of all TIME!....

I personally like MJ but if others are chosen as the greatest then I have no problem especially if I was 67 years old and said the Big O

 

 

 good vids had fun watching them thanks!!!

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D-Wade is the best

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UMMM the magic man of course, what other nba player in history could play all 5 spots and still be effective? Not only was he surronded by all stars but he raises their respective games.

Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje..cant believe nobody watches enough basketball to realize this..

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 PPK DYSLEXIC wrote:

michale jordan or tmac

tmac is mad but if i had to put 1 it would be bnoit benjaman...jks

 

tmac--wtf

more like jordan, bird, chamberlin, magicc johnson, kareem

--those r the best

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

When you ask a question like this, you have to look at alot of things.Like, the other players doing your favorite players era. The kind of player your favorite player was,what he could do for his size Ect.

Jordan was a great crunch time player,young so he had spring in his legs Ect.

But who did he pattern his sytle after?=Julius Ervin  

I say the best players in the Nba was anyone who skills force the Nba to make Rules and change the way the game was played period.

Who made the Nba, put in a Shot clock?

Who made the Nba, redo all Rims?

Who made the Nba, put in the 3 point line or gave them the idea?

Who made the Nba, raise the rim?

Who made the Nba start calling Fouls?

Who was the only player to play on a broken leg? Sorry got carried away

You get the picture, please post any I've forgotten about and answer these question.  

Oh almost forgot do not forget about Connie Hawkins. The man who past hurt his career

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 CleveAkABig wrote:

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

When you ask a question like this, you have to look at alot of things.Like, the other players doing your favorite players era. The kind of player your favorite player was,what he could do for his size Ect.

Jordan was a great crunch time player,young so he had spring in his legs Ect.

But who did he pattern his sytle after?=Julius Ervin  

I say the best players in the Nba was anyone who skills force the Nba to make Rules and change the way the game was played period.

Who made the Nba, put in a Shot clock?

Who made the Nba, redo all Rims?

Who made the Nba, put in the 3 point line or gave them the idea?

Who made the Nba, raise the rim?

Who made the Nba start calling Fouls?

Who was the only player to play on a broken leg? Sorry got carried away

You get the picture, please post any I've forgotten about and answer these question.  

Oh almost forgot do not forget about Connie Hawkins. The man who past hurt his career

You know the "who did he pattern his game after" argument is very weak...EVERYBODY patterns their game after a childhood hero but then their style and personality shine in the end. And this is not just in sports but in any occupation...so I guess the kid who decides to run for president because of his like for a president can never be better than that President?

And how old are you all who are saying Dr. J..I am 32 and maybe why I said MJ...just curious....

 CleveAkABig wrote:

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

When you ask a question like this, you have to look at alot of things.Like, the other players doing your favorite players era. The kind of player your favorite player was,what he could do for his size Ect.

Jordan was a great crunch time player,young so he had spring in his legs Ect.

But who did he pattern his sytle after?=Julius Ervin  

I say the best players in the Nba was anyone who skills force the Nba to make Rules and change the way the game was played period.

Who made the Nba, put in a Shot clock?

Who made the Nba, redo all Rims?

Who made the Nba, put in the 3 point line or gave them the idea?

Who made the Nba, raise the rim?

Who made the Nba start calling Fouls?

Who was the only player to play on a broken leg? Sorry got carried away

You get the picture, please post any I've forgotten about and answer these question.  

Oh almost forgot do not forget about Connie Hawkins. The man who past hurt his career

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In my lifetime, the best player I have seen is Michael Jordan so I can never go against him.

 justGiveMeATAG wrote:

In my lifetime, the best player I have seen is Michael Jordan so I can never go against him.

 who care about your lifetime!!!!!!!!! lol your lifetime
 kidds r funny !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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in the nba?  mike jordan.

in the history of the world?  earl 'the goat' manigault.

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I'm glad you brought up the Doc.

 

I grew up watching Dr. J, that guy was amazing, he made the game of basketball look like a combination of all sports: finesse, style, grace, strength, rough, psychological.....etc.  The Dr. was the first to actually make basketball truly entertaining.  Without him, there would not be an MJ, Kobe, Vinsanity, Rodman, Magic, Wade, T-Mac, LeBron..... etc., and yet more of a complete player (though MJ without a doubt is great).

 

What I mean is that the above mentioned players bring in their own way what the Dr. so expectacularly brought, yet these guys have to give up attibute(s) in defense, in offense, or both to be spectacular, the Dr. didn't.

 

I have yet to see any NBA player bring so much change (though MJ comes pretty close) so spectacularly like he did.

 

Yos, thanks for the link to the Dr. J and MJ videos, awesome.  Highlights of the Dr. still amaze, yet, how many can replicate them?

 SouljahSlim410 wrote:

PG- Magic

SG- MJ

SF- Larry Legend

PF- Charles Barkley (Denis Rodman)

C- Shaq / Wilt / or Kareem its a tough call

You also need a defensive player in any team. 

I'm not liking Rodman's decisions off court, but when he was on the court he had everyone on lock down. also, he had the skills of boxing out anyone (maybe a player like shaq) and getting rebounds lol!!!!

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in the nba?  mike jordan.

in the history of the world?  earl 'the goat' manigault.

Yep.  So good he couldn't make it to the NBA. 

MJ, Magic, Wilt the man scored 100!

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Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

 The Don Bingy wrote:

Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

 

Dude you need to seriously need to check your little playschool NBA Greatest Recap. First off the NBA today is all about a 2-3 year hype. Player comes in they off the bat compare him to one of the greats before they even accomplish the first thing (LEBRON!). They don't even deserve this treatment until they prove themself. The reason that players scored limited pts. in the hay day is because they played as a team not like A.I. who runs down and shoots 30-40 shots and hits like10-15. Any more they focus a team around 1 or 2 players instead of playing competitive like they used to. 

 The Don Bingy wrote:

Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

You are a moron.

 The Don Bingy wrote:

Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

Wow, that was a couple of mins of my life wasted.

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 The Don Bingy wrote:

Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

Is this Corey Magette?

 YOCSTL wrote:

 CleveAkABig wrote:

I'm going to make this short and sweet.

When you ask a question like this, you have to look at alot of things.Like, the other players doing your favorite players era. The kind of player your favorite player was,what he could do for his size Ect.

Jordan was a great crunch time player,young so he had spring in his legs Ect.

But who did he pattern his sytle after?=Julius Ervin  

I say the best players in the Nba was anyone who skills force the Nba to make Rules and change the way the game was played period.

Who made the Nba, put in a Shot clock?

Who made the Nba, redo all Rims?

Who made the Nba, put in the 3 point line or gave them the idea?

Who made the Nba, raise the rim?

Who made the Nba start calling Fouls?

Who was the only player to play on a broken leg? Sorry got carried away

You get the picture, please post any I've forgotten about and answer these question.  

Oh almost forgot do not forget about Connie Hawkins. The man who past hurt his career

You know the "who did he pattern his game after" argument is very weak...EVERYBODY patterns their game after a childhood hero but then their style and personality shine in the end. And this is not just in sports but in any occupation...so I guess the kid who decides to run for president because of his like for a president can never be better than that President?

And how old are you all who are saying Dr. J..I am 32 and maybe why I said MJ...just curious....

http://www.nba.com/history/players/erving_bio.html

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 YOCSTL wrote:

 The Don Bingy wrote:

Nobody ever seems to get this right.  Most of the time it breaks down into a Jordan / Kobe debate.  What the real problem is, the question is so poorly defined.  How do you measure the greatest?  The player with the most accomplishment, or the player with the better skills?

 

I have always been a HUGE Magic Johnson fan.  I would love to say he's GOAT, but I know that's wrong.  Side note to the guy who said Jordan's first title came against a healthy Magic:  Magic had a hamstring injury that series and shouldn't have been playing, Byron Scott wasn't, James Worthy played half the games at about 1/3 of his usual self....the Lakers were rolling at the right time and would've cruised through the Bulls except for injuries in the playoffs.  Point is, as much as I'd love to say Magic was the greatest, he wasn't....Jordan was better.  The thing is, it hasn't stopped with Jordan.  The game has continued to evolve.

 

Who's the Greatest of All Time?  Right now, it's probably Kobe Bryant; but it will probably be Lebron pretty soon, or maybe Dwight Howard...who knows.

 

Everybody's right, all the players from the past have made a big impact, and the game is built around those players.  The game has evolved because what they've brought to the game.  The game has become much faster, much bigger, and more skilled than ever before...and players continue to get better.

 

Does anybody really think Wilt could score 100 in modern NBA?  How many 7 footers played in his time?  For that matter...how many 6'7" players with freakish athleticism played then?

 

Bill Russell was a consumate winner with 11 titles, but does anybody really think his skills would bring him even 1 title in the modern game?

 

Magic was unique because he mixed the skills of a guard with the body of a forward.  At the time it created a ton of mismatch problems.  In today's game, he wouldn't have that advantage nearly as often.  As much as it pains me to say it, he would probably be no more effective than Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw.

 

Nobody could say Bird's not a great player.  But could you actually imagine him in modern NBA.  Bird playing SF, trying to guard the TMac's and Lebron's....anybody remember how Dominque Wilkens abused Bird?  Bird got his points....but I'm not so sure he would be the same shooter against this generation of defense.

 

Jordan.  The guy was pretty much ahead of his time.  He changed the NBA in a very dramatic way.  Most of the players today emulate at least a portion of his game in some way.  If you were to take Jordan in his prime and time warp him into the NBA today...he'd be a very good player, probably one of the best.  But for everybody to automatically jump on the Jordan hype so definitely is very misguided.  I just watched Jordan's 50+ point game against the Celtics in the playoffs on ESPN Classic.  Although it wasn't "that" old, it was amazing....it truly was a classic, the game was sooo much slower.  It took Jordan overtime to get over 50 points in a losing effort....most of the time being guarded by Danny Ainge!  Danny Ainge was considered a good defender at the time by the way.  Jordan's classic shot that's played over and over was a playoff win against the Cavaliers....that was against Craig Ehlo....another guy considered a good defender at the time.  Joe Dumars was the only guy who guarded Jordan that might crack the starting lineup on an NBA team today.  Jordan looked very good in a very weak time for the NBA.

 

Now if you were to use that same time warp machine and take a Kobe Bryant, TMac, DWade, LBJ or any of the current stars and take them back to the late 80's-early 90's....what do you think they would do against the Craig Ehlo's or Danny Ainge's of the time?

 

Hate to say it, but Corey Magette is probably a "better" player than Jordan.

Is this Corey Magette?

(LMAO)

 Orical23 wrote:

Dude you need to seriously need to check your little playschool NBA Greatest Recap. First off the NBA today is all about a 2-3 year hype. Player comes in they off the bat compare him to one of the greats before they even accomplish the first thing (LEBRON!). They don't even deserve this treatment until they prove themself. The reason that players scored limited pts. in the hay day is because they played as a team not like A.I. who runs down and shoots 30-40 shots and hits like10-15. Any more they focus a team around 1 or 2 players instead of playing competitive like they used to. 

I agree with you, it seems as if players are given credit way too early in their career...there's alot of hype.  That's why I prefaced my post with the comment whether this is about accomplishments or simply skills.

I don't understand why so many people have such a negative perception of today's players.  You obviously feel that AI shoots too much, and at times I'd agree.  It's strange to note though that the most shots AI has ever taken over a season was 1,940...while Jordan topped 2,000 shots twice and had four seasons with more shots than AI's career high.

I'm not just picking on Jordan, though, if you look at Dominique Wilkens stats for example, you'll notice he too had seasons with more shots than AI's career high, too.  I'm not defending his shot selection by any means, but it just seems weird that modern players are under such a different amount of scrutiny.  Last year, when Kobe was taking such an UNBELIEVABLE amount of shots....Jordan shot the ball 100 more times in 1987.

Was it a much more team focused game when Wilt scored 100?

The theory of basing your team around 1 or 2 players isn't anything new.  It seems like it worked pretty well in the very beginning with George Mikan....a generation later with Wilt and Jerry West....Magic and Kareem were a pretty good 1-2 punch...then in current days you had Kobe and Shaq.  You could throw in Jordan and Pippen as a 2 star team.  Whoever said Jordan invented the term role player obviously didn't watch much basketball before then.  Role players have been around for as long as the game has been being played.  Michael Cooper...a defensive role player; Vinnie Johnson...a sixth man offensive role player; Bill Walton....a rebounding role player (late in his career).  Rodman was the ultimate role player with the Pistons well before he ever played with Jordan.

In the modern NBA, with the salary cap restrictions, and the exhorbitant contracts of unproven big men, the two star strategy isn't going anywhere.  But if you look at your history, that's the way it's always been....it was just possible to afford better complimentary players in the past.

For the boy who called me a moron:  am I a moron because I believe the game has evolved, or am I moron because I don't believe it stopped evolving when Jordan retired?

Watch an old Bob Cousy video from the Celtics....then compare that to a Bird era Celtics video.  It's obvious that the game changed because the skill level of the players changed.  Then compare those Celtics videos to modern basketball.  If you can't see that the game is constantly changing, you're blind.

Why would players be getting better?  Tons of reasons.  First and foremost is the popularity of the sport.  Basketball at one time was more or less a niche sport, today it's not only cemented as one of the major sports in the country, it's gained worldwide popularity.  Not to mention population growth....just in the US alone, the population has doubled since 1950, and it's growing exponentially.  Not only do you have a TON more people, and a TON more people playing basketball, training techniques and facilities are greatly advanced.  If you doubt this, pick up an old basketball book from your local library, it's almost amusing.  Alongside all these factors are social changes which have made people take sports more seriously than ever before.  If you can't see that the game has advanced just from watching, look at the plain facts....if you still don't get it, maybe you are a moron.

Or maybe I'm a moron because I don't think Bill Russell would be a ticket for 11 championships today.

 The Don Bingy wrote:

 Orical23 wrote:

Dude you need to seriously need to check your little playschool NBA Greatest Recap. First off the NBA today is all about a 2-3 year hype. Player comes in they off the bat compare him to one of the greats before they even accomplish the first thing (LEBRON!). They don't even deserve this treatment until they prove themself. The reason that players scored limited pts. in the hay day is because they played as a team not like A.I. who runs down and shoots 30-40 shots and hits like10-15. Any more they focus a team around 1 or 2 players instead of playing competitive like they used to. 

I agree with you, it seems as if players are given credit way too early in their career...there's alot of hype.  That's why I prefaced my post with the comment whether this is about accomplishments or simply skills.

I don't understand why so many people have such a negative perception of today's players.  You obviously feel that AI shoots too much, and at times I'd agree.  It's strange to note though that the most shots AI has ever taken over a season was 1,940...while Jordan topped 2,000 shots twice and had four seasons with more shots than AI's career high.

I'm not just picking on Jordan, though, if you look at Dominique Wilkens stats for example, you'll notice he too had seasons with more shots than AI's career high, too.  I'm not defending his shot selection by any means, but it just seems weird that modern players are under such a different amount of scrutiny.  Last year, when Kobe was taking such an UNBELIEVABLE amount of shots....Jordan shot the ball 100 more times in 1987.

Was it a much more team focused game when Wilt scored 100?

The theory of basing your team around 1 or 2 players isn't anything new.  It seems like it worked pretty well in the very beginning with George Mikan....a generation later with Wilt and Jerry West....Magic and Kareem were a pretty good 1-2 punch...then in current days you had Kobe and Shaq.  You could throw in Jordan and Pippen as a 2 star team.  Whoever said Jordan invented the term role player obviously didn't watch much basketball before then.  Role players have been around for as long as the game has been being played.  Michael Cooper...a defensive role player; Vinnie Johnson...a sixth man offensive role player; Bill Walton....a rebounding role player (late in his career).  Rodman was the ultimate role player with the Pistons well before he ever played with Jordan.

In the modern NBA, with the salary cap restrictions, and the exhorbitant contracts of unproven big men, the two star strategy isn't going anywhere.  But if you look at your history, that's the way it's always been....it was just possible to afford better complimentary players in the past.

For the boy who called me a moron:  am I a moron because I believe the game has evolved, or am I moron because I don't believe it stopped evolving when Jordan retired?

Watch an old Bob Cousy video from the Celtics....then compare that to a Bird era Celtics video.  It's obvious that the game changed because the skill level of the players changed.  Then compare those Celtics videos to modern basketball.  If you can't see that the game is constantly changing, you're blind.

Why would players be getting better?  Tons of reasons.  First and foremost is the popularity of the sport.  Basketball at one time was more or less a niche sport, today it's not only cemented as one of the major sports in the country, it's gained worldwide popularity.  Not to mention population growth....just in the US alone, the population has doubled since 1950, and it's growing exponentially.  Not only do you have a TON more people, and a TON more people playing basketball, training techniques and facilities are greatly advanced.  If you doubt this, pick up an old basketball book from your local library, it's almost amusing.  Alongside all these factors are social changes which have made people take sports more seriously than ever before.  If you can't see that the game has advanced just from watching, look at the plain facts....if you still don't get it, maybe you are a moron.

Or maybe I'm a moron because I don't think Bill Russell would be a ticket for 11 championships today.

Michael Jordan

• Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98)
• Ten-time All-NBA First Team selection (1986-87 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
• Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
• A member of six Chicago Bulls NBA championship teams (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98)
• Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player
• The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98)
• Entering 2002-03, ranked first in NBA history in scoring average (31.0 ppg), second in steals (2,391), fourth in points (30,652) and in field-goals made (11,513), fifth in free-throws made (7,061), sixth in field-goals attempted (23,010) and eighth in free-throws attempted (8,448)
• Closed the 1997-98 season as the Bulls' all-time franchise leader in points, rebounds (5,836), assists (5,012), steals, games (930), field-goals made and attempted and free-throws made and attempted (8,115)
• Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in scoring (10)
• Shares the NBA record with Wilt Chamberlain for most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring (seven, 1986-87 to 1992-93)
• Holds the NBA record for most consecutive games scoring in double-digits (842)
• Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in field-goals made (10) and attempted (10)
• Led the NBA in steals in 1987-88 (3.16 spg), 1989-90 (2.77 spg) and 1992-93 (2.83 spg)
• Holds the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one half (20 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most most free-throws attempted in one half (23 in the same game)
• Shares the NBA single-game records for most free-throws made in one quarter (14 against the Utah Jazz on 11/15/89 and against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92) and most free-throws attempted in one quarter (23 against the Miami Heat on 12/30/92)
• Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average (41.0 ppg in 1993)
• Entering the 2002-03 season, ranks as the all-time NBA Finals leader in three-pointers made (42), second in three-point attempts (114), third in points (1,176), fourth in steals (62), fifth in field-goals made (438), sixth in assists (209) and free-throws made (258), seventh in field-goals attempted (911) and eighth in free-throws attempted (320)
• Holds the NBA Playoffs record for highest career scoring average (33.4 ppg)
• Established an NBA Playoffs record with 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 5/20/86
• Entering the 2002-03 season ranks as the all-time NBA Playoffs leader in field-goals attempted (4,497), free-throws made (1,463) and attempted (1,766), second in steals (376) and field-goals made (2,188), fifth in assists (1,022), seventh in three-point attempts (446) and ninth in three-pointers made (148)
• Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
• Participated in 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-03), starting 13 times, and missed another due to injury
• Named the MVP of the 1988, 1996 and 1998 NBA All-Star Games
• All-time NBA All-Star Game leader in steals (35) and ranks second in field-goal attempts (206), third in points (242), fourth in scoring average (20.2 ppg), and eighth in assists (52)
• Notched the first triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
• Won the Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
• Notched his 28th career triple-double, with 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists, against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
• Returned from retirement against the Indiana Pacers on 3/19/95 and posted 19 points, six rebounds, six assists and three steals in 43 minutes
• (All stats taken from NBA.com)

How does Kobe, James, and A.I. compare.  I respect all the players today for what they bring to the game but to put these young athletes up on a pedistol with players like Magic, Wilt, Jordan, Bird, DR. J is weak. 

 

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Haha well of course the game has evovled over the years.  You're not a moron for that statement.  You're a moron because well first of all, you said Kobe is better than Jordan.  And then you said Corey Magette was better than Jordan.  I really didn't think you were serious about that but I guess you are.  If you would care to explain to me how either of those two are better than Jordan, I'd love to know.

This has been a really enjoyable forum so thought to ask a question. Some have mentioned that a player who has caused a major rule change should be considered one of the greatest. So I though to ask a question.

Who all think the rime should be raised to 11.5 ft.?

my reasons are:

1. My 10 yr old girl team has to shoot at a 10 ft rim
2. High school and college kickers have larger goal post than the pros so the pro game is harder to make a field goal
3. Baseball have different feet to the fences than lil league
4. Maybe Zo will stop getting dunked on
5. No more pg dunking unless he can JUMP
6. to see McGrady dunk on anybody on a 11.5 ft rim
7. Dunks would become like touchdowns
8. ALLEY OPP

 YOCSTL wrote:

This has been a really enjoyable forum so thought to ask a question. Some have mentioned that a player who has caused a major rule change should be considered one of the greatest. So I though to ask a question.

Who all think the rime should be raised to 11.5 ft.?

my reasons are:

1. My 10 yr old girl team has to shoot at a 10 ft rim
2. High school and college kickers have larger goal post than the pros so the pro game is harder to make a field goal
3. Baseball have different feet to the fences than lil league
4. Maybe Zo will stop getting dunked on
5. No more pg dunking unless he can JUMP
6. to see McGrady dunk on anybody on a 11.5 ft rim
7. Dunks would become like touchdowns
8. ALLEY OPP

 i would say no.... beacuse if all your life u use the normal hgt , so if u make the pro the little bit of difference could really throw off peoples  shoot

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