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   09-25-2008, 5:18 PM
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Re: I just cant believe microsoft doesn't do more about this.
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

I really don't care what you want to call it.  Of course it's a CYA statement, but it's part of the terms of service that you yourself agreed to when signing up and paying for this service.  It's hypocritical to only focus on one section of the terms without taking into account all the policies in place.

I don't blame you for wanting a perfect world but Microsoft is not responsible for giving that to you.

I'm going to jump in here with this to say about "we're not responsible" policies. Say you go to the gym, walk through the doors, and head into the locker room to change for your workout. Once in the locker room, you notice that none of the lockers have any doors on them. You look up, and notice a sign that says "The administration is not responsible for any lost or stolen items." Do you think that would be reasonable? No, of course not, because to be "not responsible" you have to at least put in a minimal effort to keep yourself from being liable, because you are not doing your part to keep my stuff safe while I use your paid-for service.

Now, you really like this gym. Really, like it. For all sorts of reasons: the high-end equipment, the competent trainers, the cute people who work out there... The point is that you would prefer to stay working out at this gym rather than having to go and find another one, because you really, really like this gym.

Considering this point, you have two options: you can put your stuff in the open locker and take a que sera sera attitude about it, that it's the policy and there's nothing you can do about it, or you can talk to the administration, tell them how much you like the gym, but it's a bummer about the locker doors, and they should really do something about that if they really care about their customers' stuff not being stolen. You're not asking them to keep criminals from entering their building; just to make sure your rights are ensured as well.

Then, you see what these people are truly made of; will they listen to their customers or ignore them? Will they actually put a lockable door on each locker, or will they simply put some wrapping paper in front of each locker, figuring if no one can see your belongings, no one will take them?

I think it's especially important for Microsoft to protect XBL users because they are selling a community, in this case. No, they are not responsible for people's opinions, but they are responsible for ensuring that people aren't abused or segregated while using their service.
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   09-25-2008, 5:57 PM
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I would get that alot too and many people told me to switch my zone and i did well your zone is underground and underground is for people who curse so why don't you switch your zone

 

 

 

 


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   09-25-2008, 6:11 PM
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 Armysniper23 wrote:

I would get that alot too and many people told me to switch my zone and i did well your zone is underground and underground is for people who curse so why don't you switch your zone


Unfortunately, your zone doesn't have impact on much of anything.  Doesn't impact matchmaking, I doubt people even notice zones anymore.  And swearing isn't really the issue here, it is the hate speech.  Dropping the "N"-bomb on someone, that is much more than swearing, that is a personal attack.

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   09-25-2008, 6:40 PM
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I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

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   09-25-2008, 6:50 PM
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I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

MS changes its slong from JUMP IN  TO     see clip.Stick out tongue [:P]

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Ah, i just couldn't stay away.  MS also pimps the parental control features of the xbox such as child accounts that prevent strangers from having unsolicited communication with the child.  The family marketing efforts show parents interacting with their children in the same environment.  Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

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   09-25-2008, 6:55 PM
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Coffee Break time in Redmond?  For a guy who says it is not his job to defend M$ you sure to be on the ball.  Can you let your supervisors know that change is coming whether they like it or not?  Best to admit there is fault in the system before having to answer what changes you are going to make to the media.  Thanks,

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   09-25-2008, 7:00 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:

I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

MS changes its slong from JUMP IN  TO     see clip.Stick out tongue [:P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PABeer [B]

Ah, i just couldn't stay away.  MS also pimps the parental control features of the xbox such as child accounts that prevent strangers from having unsolicited communication with the child.  The family marketing efforts show parents interacting with their children in the same environment.  Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

 You must be bored at home. Baybsitting lol "who said anything about babysitting? Once again not sure why you are so pro MS?  What you should do is take you same effert here and change sides. The Darkside is hard to break away from but i think you can do it.  MO thinks you can do it!!!!Cool [H] 



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   09-25-2008, 7:07 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

Funny how this argument pops up when we're trying to make a place safe for our kids. We don't plop our children in front of the console to go off in the other room and watch porn. I'm very aware of all things my son watches and does. But we would like our kids, and everyone else, for that fact, to be able to fully enjoy a wonderful feature of the Xbox without fear. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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   09-25-2008, 7:10 PM
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 CookingZombies wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

Funny how this argument pops up when we're trying to make a place safe for our kids. We don't plop our children in front of the console to go off in the other room and watch pornEmbarrassed [:$]. I'm very aware of all things my son watches and does. But we would like our kids, and everyone else, for that fact, to be able to fully enjoy a wonderful feature of the Xbox without fear. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 LOL, ya Ethan bad Dad!!Stick out tongue [:P]



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   09-25-2008, 7:12 PM
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 MO MOSS wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:

I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

MS changes its slong from JUMP IN  TO     see clip.Stick out tongue [:P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PABeer [B]

Ah, i just couldn't stay away.  MS also pimps the parental control features of the xbox such as child accounts that prevent strangers from having unsolicited communication with the child.  The family marketing efforts show parents interacting with their children in the same environment.  Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

 You must be bored at home. Baybsitting lol "who said anything about babysitting? Once again not sure why you are so pro MS?  What you should do is take you same effert here and change sides. The Darkside is hard to break away from but i think you can do it.  MO thinks you can do it!!!!Cool [H] 

I'm not pro MS.  I've been very vocal on the forums on my thoughts of the quality of product and customer service they provide based on my experience with hardware failure.  I do feel the need however to add my viewpoint when I feel someone is being unfairly demonized based on opinions and assumptions.   Nobody in this thread has been able to back up a claim that the system doesn't work.  Please feel free to give us a story about the guy that was able to continue sending you pictures of his genitalia after you muted and reported him.  You can't. 

Like I said, I'm not the enemy, although you fine and wholesome folks have taken the opportunity to paint me as one.  I'm just a guy with an opinion that differs from yours.  I have backed up my opinion however with logical points.  Meanwhile I've been compared to Karl Rove and Clark Griswald (which if I were a lesser man I might take offense to).  I feel strongly about racism, sexism and all forms of prejudice.  However I choose to not blame corporations for these things but instead choose to target my efforts at the roots of the problems which is generally poor parenting and unhealthy environments.

If somebody were to call me today and call me the n-word, I wouldn't blame the folks at T-mobile, even though they allowed this call to come through.  I don't blame AOL for the sexually explicit email that comes through asking me to purchase pills to satisfy my woman. 

The equation is very simple: offensive act + complaints = review and possible ban.  If you work for MS and can prove to me otherwise than I will stand corrected.  But all your side has had to offer is assumptions, hearsay and name-calling. 

Really your attacks aren't on MS, it's against the people who's job it is every day to review the complaints and apply the bans.

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   09-25-2008, 7:16 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:

I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

MS changes its slong from JUMP IN  TO     see clip.Stick out tongue [:P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PABeer [B]

Ah, i just couldn't stay away.  MS also pimps the parental control features of the xbox such as child accounts that prevent strangers from having unsolicited communication with the child.  The family marketing efforts show parents interacting with their children in the same environment.  Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

 You must be bored at home. Baybsitting lol "who said anything about babysitting? Once again not sure why you are so pro MS?  What you should do is take you same effert here and change sides. The Darkside is hard to break away from but i think you can do it.  MO thinks you can do it!!!!Cool [H] 


Really your attacks aren't on MS, it's against the people who's ( who's would be who is ...whose is what you were grasping at) job it is every day to review the complaints and apply the bans.



WE don't like the system, it is flawed.  They will listen or have bad press in peak buying season.  PLain and simple, it will get overblown, and that is too bad.  But it is predictable as it is under the rug as of right now and Newton's third law ( stretched a bit) will always bite you.

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   09-25-2008, 7:38 PM
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 Nien Numb wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 MO MOSS wrote:

I think my big problem is that MS is pimping family. MS is trying to have more then just a gaming console but a whole Entertainment Package. As a family man its hard to think the 360 is a safe family afair .

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/promotions/moments/family.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/beatblog/familygamesblog.htm

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/voices/xboxdad/default.htm

MS changes its slong from JUMP IN  TO     see clip.Stick out tongue [:P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PABeer [B]

Ah, i just couldn't stay away.  MS also pimps the parental control features of the xbox such as child accounts that prevent strangers from having unsolicited communication with the child.  The family marketing efforts show parents interacting with their children in the same environment.  Nowhere does Microsoft ask you to use the 360 to babysit your child.

 You must be bored at home. Baybsitting lol "who said anything about babysitting? Once again not sure why you are so pro MS?  What you should do is take you same effert here and change sides. The Darkside is hard to break away from but i think you can do it.  MO thinks you can do it!!!!Cool [H] 


Really your attacks aren't on MS, it's against the people who's ( who's would be who is ...whose is what you were grasping at) job it is every day to review the complaints and apply the bans.



WE don't like the system, it is flawed.  They will listen or have bad press in peak buying season.  PLain and simple, it will get overblown, and that is too bad.  But it is predictable as it is under the rug as of right now and Newton's third law ( stretched a bit) will always bite you.

The system is not flawed. The only time it can be flawed is when people don't use it.

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   09-25-2008, 7:46 PM
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WE'll agree to disagree, but since they say to mute if you are offended they are admitting the system doesnot work.

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   09-25-2008, 7:55 PM
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 DesertBear360 wrote:

The system is not flawed. The only time it can be flawed is when people don't use it.


Regardless of how you feel on the debate, saying the system (or, in general, any system) is not flawed is a naive concept.  No system is perfect, and we acknowledge that, we are trying to bring about change to try to improve the system.  I think that the reporting part of the system that is in place now is a good thing, don't get me wrong, but I think that should be a part of a bigger system that is in place to make Live as good of a community as possible.

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   09-25-2008, 8:51 PM
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 DesertBear360 wrote:

The system is not flawed. The only time it can be flawed is when people don't use it.


Regardless of how you feel on the debate, saying the system (or, in general, any system) is not flawed is a naive concept.  No system is perfect, and we acknowledge that, we are trying to bring about change to try to improve the system.  I think that the reporting part of the system that is in place now is a good thing, don't get me wrong, but I think that should be a part of a bigger system that is in place to make Live as good of a community as possible.

If you notice the statement it contradicts itself which leads one to think that it is a joke. Lighten up. I know now system is perfect but MS does their job we can at least do ours.

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   09-25-2008, 8:57 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 lostassassin13 wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

But the point is that in a free society, what is and isn't acceptable is heavily subjective.  This is why it takes a group of complaints to ban someone.  It's also why our country adopted a jury system where a person is convicted by a group.


But Xbox Live is not a "free society", it is a community put in place by a corporation with rules set forth by the corporation which are not being enforced in any sort of truly managed way.  It's like having the police just sitting at the station until someone calls, never patrolling the streets on the lookout for other crimes that may be happening in the dark alleys with no witnesses. 

I would also like to point out that just because crime still exists, it doesn't mean the police aren't doing their job. 



Yeah but thats why we have city watches, neighborhoodwatches, and other groups outside the law. Thats what we are asking for on here, people to help with the problems! I myself have emailed and called xbox saying i would help too. Free of charge to make live a better place for everyone who wants it.
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   09-26-2008, 12:01 PM
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 Nien Numb wrote:
WE'll agree to disagree, but since they say to mute if you are offended they are admitting the system doesnot work.

Well you're leaving out a few steps in making the system work.  Mute is only one part.  This keeps the offending player from being able to continue contact and it prevents you from escalating the situation further.  You still have to report the player to allow the people at Microsoft to do their job.

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   09-26-2008, 12:03 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:
 lostassassin13 wrote:
 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

But the point is that in a free society, what is and isn't acceptable is heavily subjective.  This is why it takes a group of complaints to ban someone.  It's also why our country adopted a jury system where a person is convicted by a group.


But Xbox Live is not a "free society", it is a community put in place by a corporation with rules set forth by the corporation which are not being enforced in any sort of truly managed way.  It's like having the police just sitting at the station until someone calls, never patrolling the streets on the lookout for other crimes that may be happening in the dark alleys with no witnesses. 

I would also like to point out that just because crime still exists, it doesn't mean the police aren't doing their job. 



Yeah but thats why we have city watches, neighborhoodwatches, and other groups outside the law. Thats what we are asking for on here, people to help with the problems! I myself have emailed and called xbox saying i would help too. Free of charge to make live a better place for everyone who wants it.

And what are the neighbourhood watches responsible for doing?  Reporting a crime when they see it happening.  The same holds true on live, you have the option to report an offense to allow the "police" to investigate and determine whether the offence constitutes punishment.  Am I seriously the only one here that has that option in their dashboard menu? 

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   09-26-2008, 2:17 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 Nien Numb wrote:
WE'll agree to disagree, but since they say to mute if you are offended they are admitting the system doesnot work.

Well you're leaving out a few steps in making the system work.  Mute is only one part.  This keeps the offending player from being able to continue contact and it prevents you from escalating the situation further.  You still have to report the player to allow the people at Microsoft to do their job.



Don't presume to tell me what they wrote or said at CS.  You assume way too much.  Their endgame was mute anyone but friends if it bothers you that much...withdraw from the GP of Live.

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   09-26-2008, 2:33 PM
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I never presumed what anybody told you.  I was telling you that there are more steps to the system that you failed to acknowledge.

So as an educated and intelligent person, you're going to follow the word of the CS rep without questioning it?  Seriously dude, why are you so cynical about this?  You know the reporting system exists but because a clearly uninformed CS rep just told you to mute them. 

Once again your argument is misdirected because this isn't proof that the system fails, it's proof that Microsoft's outsourced customer service doesn't know what the heck they're doing.

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   09-26-2008, 2:45 PM
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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

I never presumed what anybody told you.  I was telling you that there are more steps to the system that you failed to acknowledge.

So as an educated and intelligent person, you're going to follow the word of the CS rep without questioning it?  Seriously dude, why are you so cynical about this?  You know the reporting system exists but because a clearly uninformed CS rep just told you to mute them. 

Once again your argument is misdirected because this isn't proof that the system fails, it's proof that Microsoft's outsourced customer service doesn't know what the heck they're doing.



It was CS as well as two members of the talking heads on the personalities page...Management level.  I owe you a thank you though.  I was fading and frustrated with the apathy on this issue.  You got me motivated and there are two plans in place to get something done.  I hope M$ takes plan #1.

In regards to being cynical when you have all three sets of people you have dealt with say "if you feel it is that bad, just mute everyone" in some fashion, then yes you get cynical. 

BTW as they decided to outsource and make CS guy cheap but ineffective it is their fault.  They did have a choice in the matter.  Just as the system fails because it is set up to use paying customers as the only means of keeping it clean; their cost cutting choice.  I have no problem with us being a part of the system.  You are there early in Redmond today..say Hi to Bill for me.  And let him know those Seinfeld ads are lame.

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   09-26-2008, 2:47 PM
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i haven't read this whole thread and i don't have time to right now.  but i will at a later date.

 

the fact of the matter here is that, yes as parents it is our responsibility to make sure that our children are safe online, not microsofts.  microsoft has put in a nice few features that help with that but it's been a minimal effort.  it wouldn't be neccesarily hard for them to make that system work much much better.  what we have now is like a skeleton.  we need the rest of it now.  for example, gamerzones have been mentioned.  just make it to where family chooses who they play with, underground doesn't.  meaning that if family zones want to play with underground they can, underground doesn't have that choice.  what makes this work is that then all you have to do is moderate the family zone.  if you get out of line there, poof your gone.  i'm sure there's all kinds of willing applicants that would take a job to be an actual live moderator.  i know i've said this all before and it wouuld take a little more than just that, but you can get the drift. 

 

MS has been lazy with this and i'm surprised they haven't been required yet to put some sort of age restriction on online play and/or monitor it.  i say that not to start another "freedom of speech" topic but because some of the things going on over live are in fact against the law.  and because of those things one day MS very well could get in trouble because they didn't try any harder than to say "don't do it".  the whole idea is to prevent it from happening rather than let it and then take action.


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   09-26-2008, 2:52 PM
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I know how you feel too its the number one reason I never join multiplayer on any games its all the same :( gears of war gets really nasty like that too, the name calling, the racism, etc. you really sumed it all up with its a sea of trash, really it is, I just don't know why people don't have respect for one another the same way they should when playing. I've heard people get fired up and throw mud at each other over everything, I just don't want to hear it lol. Its pushed me away from playing multiplayer Sad [:(]

I feel the exact same way.  I never play random multiplayer games any more its just friends or nothing because I can't stand all the immaturity that goes on.  I know MS would like to find a way to fix this but really there isn't a sure fire 100% way to stop the abuse. 


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   09-26-2008, 11:24 PM
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*cough* Freedom Of Speech *cough*

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   09-26-2008, 11:31 PM
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You better get a Sucrets for that cough, and a copy of the first amendment and re-read it.

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   09-27-2008, 7:22 AM
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What happens when you mute, if in a game you can boot (boot them). then they come back with mulitiple accounts and team kill and continue to run their mouth and cause chaos? Your friends cant be on all the time and play what game you are playing. I see bad players getting back into rooms days later, and cause more problems. Everyone sends a complaint and they still come into rooms send messages saying f-U and more bad things. It gets bad when these kids have nothing better to do then ruin peoples games.  I have been on xbox live since it came out, but im getting sick of the constant evil and uncivilized people on here.

And to mojo like you said police cant be everywhere, either can MS. Thats why they need help and they dont want to take it. Other gaming sites and online games have moderators in please to help the main site.  MS doesnt even have to pay people to do it, and it will save MS money cause people will not be leaving! I have had over 100 friends stop play on live cause of  the type of people running wild on here.
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   09-27-2008, 2:03 PM
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It has nothing to do with free speech; believe it or not, like it or not - MS has every legal right to tell you what you can and can't say while you are using their service, regardless of the fact that you paid for it.

It isn't the constitution you should read (which you should anyway), but the TOS.

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   09-28-2008, 6:01 PM
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There are a lot of misconceptions flying around here and I really wish folks would take the time to read through the thread before making assumptions. You're asking for a neighbourhood watch style system but as i've pointed out, that's what you've got. Oh but what happens if the offender has unlimited wealth and can open up multiple live accounts just for the glorious opportunity to upset you and call you names? Really, is that going to happen? That 13 year old that is bothering you so much can afford that? Lucky kid. Or maybe these kids aren't changing their accounts. There are after all millions of online users. Are you familiar with mob mentality? That's when a person's behaviour is swayed by a group. Common sense and rationality go out the window. In a competitive environment, this is amplified. Suddenly a group of otherwise calm and rational individuals are blaming a foreign user for their loss. And not only did he cause their loss, he's got bad teeth, bad hygiene and an unsavoury mother. Suddenly people that have and will probably never meet in real life are caught up in a heated exchange. So do you chime in and throw another log into the fire or do you mute/avoid/report and let the authorities handle it? Well maybe I'm just incredibly lucky but I don't run into these problems with every single game that I play. In fact, as someone pointed out, there are more good people on live than there are bad. It's just that people choose to only make forum posts about the bad ones. People here are asking for one thing but what they really want is a vigilante style system whereby users have the right to ban other users. If you really want that job people then send in your application/resume to Microsoft and best of luck to you in your future endeavours. Be aware however that when you have that job, it'll be your responsibility to act accordingly to Microsoft's rules of employment. Since you chose to skip over many parts of the terms of service, I hope that you'll pay closer attention to documents that you sign in the future. Just to show that I'm not only pro-MS, I'll make a statement against the terms of service. If you enter into that contract in the US, well MS cannot do anything that is unconstitutional so the freedom of speech trumps the TOS. However, civic morality and common sense trumps all which is why there is a division of law known as hate crimes and the reason why you'll be booted from any public forum, aside from your local klan rally, for making such racist, sexist and otherwise profane and offensive comments. The fact of the matter is that we all (at least I hope we all) can't stand such bigotry. However some of us use the system to fight against it and others make assumptions and jump to conclusions that the system doesn't work. Like I said, just because crime exists, it doesn't mean that the police aren't doing their job. It just means the police haven't gotten to that guy yet. You go through life with a simplistic view of what is going on in your neighbourhood/community/office, whatever. The internet and online social activities have thrust you into other people's living rooms/neighbourhoods/whatever. Now you wouldn't let your children wander into the neighbouring community without checking it out first; so why let them online unattended? If you're a parent gamer, you know what to expect, but as an xbox user, you should know that MS has set up multiple parental controls that limit your child's ability to send/receive communication from strangers. If you've taken the steps to set this up, there is no way your child could be exposed to the kind of stuff we've spoken about here on xbox live. Well, this soapbox is a bit unsteady up here so I think I'll step down now. Before I end however, remember this. I'm a regular person like you that just wants the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. Don't paint me as the enemy simply because I have a different viewpoint on the effectiveness of MS's reporting system. You don't know anything else about me besides that so it would be prejudice (and hypocritical) for you to pass judgement on me as a person based on that one tiny little piece of life.
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   09-28-2008, 7:31 PM
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Big block of text = no thanks.  Use Paragraphs...please.  Don't worry though I can get your drift as you are blah blah Big Brother, blah blah blah the system works.  We are taking this to people who can make a difference.  Unless you can talk to your supervisor in Redmond, you are no help.

Well, other than getting and keeping me moivated with your rhetoric you are no help.  Maybe you should keep posting, just please break up big blocks of text.  Don't they teach you that in training up there in Redmond?

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when the good people do nothing?
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   09-28-2008, 11:46 PM
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Personally I have my live account set to friends only.  I meet people through my current friends and on these forums. I don't have to listen to kids whine and trash talk.

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