Ok if you have it set to friends only to talk, go into any rooms and see what happens! I was in a room last night and we were playing micheal myers on RSV2 and people coming in who wouldnt talk or had no mic got booted. When you come into rooms and the host isnt playing the regular game, you get booted. I see it happen all the time, and i cant be in rooms all the time with friends.  I have to play in random room alot, and if you dont talk or communicate with the other players you get booted. That is the way of hosting i have seen on live.

cause who wants someone not talking or have their mic out when playing a team leader game? When a person who is team leader cant speak it messes the game up. Or capture the flag, you cant tell when someone needs help (cause they cant talk).

Not being able to talk to everyone on your team in game is dumb too! Battlefield: bad company has 12 player teams, but you can only talk to 3 other people in your little crew. So you have 3 teams of 4 on one big team, which if you need medics and they are on the other team. Good luck you have to shoot your gun at them, jump up and down. Its the worst concept in the world, only letting part of the whole team hear each other.


And i have been saying having more moderators who do it to help MS, not get payed for it. I have moderated on many sites and they have seen great results from it. When people know that there is people watching, they act alot better. MS needs 100-400 people to help police live and help, cause most people dont file complaints.

And kids get free trial codes and 1 month free live and make accounts to terrorize people, thats where the xbox SN should be banned. All they are doing is finding a way around the system and abusing people on live!

Host yourself.

Honestly, you're just not gonna be happy, no matter what, it seems.  I'm not slamming you, but you've shot down every suggestion given to you with something that is actually pretty easily controlled, by you.

I never say this, but dude - if you can't deal with it, maybe you should stick to single player.

Iam happy playing most of the time, but when  bad apples come into the room! Be it underage screaming kids, drunk racist, or playing music super loud ,we take time out of playing to deal with the person. Iam a realist, and iam talking more for the kids that have to deal with this or cause this! plus the treatment of women on live, which is very bad at this time. I go to lengths to make sure everyone in the room mutes, gives feedback and files a compliant! but most people dont  want to take the time, cause they feel it doesnt work!


And last but not least i buy games to play online only 90% of the time, i love to be able to talk to real people when i play! I shouldnt be discouraged to not play online, imagine how much more money MS would lose!

 Nien Numb wrote:

Big block of text = no thanks.  Use Paragraphs...please.  Don't worry though I can get your drift as you are blah blah Big Brother, blah blah blah the system works.  We are taking this to people who can make a difference.  Unless you can talk to your supervisor in Redmond, you are no help.

Well, other than getting and keeping me moivated with your rhetoric you are no help.  Maybe you should keep posting, just please break up big blocks of text.  Don't they teach you that in training up there in Redmond?

You know, I thought that big block of text would be trouble.  For some reason MS deleted my formatting when the forum posted.  But I'm pretty sure it's not the lack of spacing and indentation that turned you off, it's probably your lack of tolerance for a viewpoint that's different than yours.

Ultimately isn't that the same problem you're trying to fight.  Your assumptions about me and what I write are prejudice in it's purest form.  Sure you may not have mentioned any colour or creed but you passed judgement on someone simply because they believe differently than you.  Good luck on your fight against hatred, maybe if you can ban yourself it'll be a good start.

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 Nien Numb wrote:

Big block of text = no thanks.  Use Paragraphs...please.  Don't worry though I can get your drift as you are blah blah Big Brother, blah blah blah the system works.  We are taking this to people who can make a difference.  Unless you can talk to your supervisor in Redmond, you are no help.

Well, other than getting and keeping me moivated with your rhetoric you are no help.  Maybe you should keep posting, just please break up big blocks of text.  Don't they teach you that in training up there in Redmond?

You know, I thought that big block of text would be trouble.  For some reason MS deleted my formatting when the forum posted.  But I'm pretty sure it's not the lack of spacing and indentation that turned you off, it's probably your lack of tolerance for a viewpoint that's different than yours.

Ultimately isn't that the same problem you're trying to fight.  Your assumptions about me and what I write are prejudice in it's purest form.  Sure you may not have mentioned any colour or creed but you passed judgement on someone simply because they believe differently than you.  Good luck on your fight against hatred, maybe if you can ban yourself it'll be a good start.

I didn't bother trying to read it.  Big block of text =fail.  Nice try but my responses are not anything, let alone prejudice, in its purest fom and you know it.  Your misuse of rhetoric and analogies, while annoying,   does not make me hate you.  I find your misplaced support sad more than anything.  You have my pity, not hate.

As I said before, the arguing is moot.  You believe what you do, and I believe what I do.  But I thank you again for stoking the fire.  Rather than wasting my time arguing with Redmond operatives on the forums I resumes emailing people who can affect some change.  The ball is in their court.  All we want is for a process of change to start.  There is no magical system to eliminaing the problem.  But sitting one one's hands has never accomplished anything.

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I suggest you look up the words action and apathy in the dictionary and give yourself a clear understanding of what each of them means.  Here's what I pull from this entire conversation:

If a crime were being committed in my neighbourhood, I would call the police.  I would watch the police take the criminal away and read about the trial in the newspaper to gauge for myself whether or not justice was served.

If a crime were being committed in your neighbourhood, you would start a website and call the news in disgust that the police didn't stop this guy.  You'd then blame the local government for not doing enough and tell them to give you a badge and a gun so next time you can stop the guy.  Then if somebody asks why you didn't call the cops, you'd label them with a bunch of insults telling them that the cops wouldn't have done anything if you called anyway.

your analogies fail again.  We are not talking about a neighborhood.  We are talking about a service I pay for.  A service that I feel is not living up to their end of the bargain.  I suggest if you feel that everything is okay that you can just keep with the status quo, that is your right.  I cannot understand your issue with us wanting to have our voices heard.

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I have no problem with you wanting to have your voice heard.  I'm just telling you that you're yelling in the wrong direction.

You're right.  Yelling at you is getting me and others with the same perspcetive nowhere.  But either getting responses from M$ and working together or going to the media will.

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One last time, MS is not responsible for bigotry.  The media has already covered this.  There's been countless stories about online behaviour as well as sensationalized stories about violence and other content in video games.  Do you know what the response is?  MS can release a statement indicating their stance, their procedures and their parental controls system, when if used properly, can prevent you from being exposed to unsavoury behaviour.     

I see you got your extortion achievement though.

 MR402 wrote:

I guess I was just raised a bit different then some in this world.  My folks taught me to respect others no matter there background.  So of course this carries over to the way I treat others online. It seems that lately in multiplayer games the level of disrespect people give each other is at a all time high.   Especially the racism, to me it's out of hand.   I guess this is a rant folks.  This is the only forum I read mostly because of the maturity, and goodwill that I see folks give each other so I apologize because I know it's been said before. 

Back to the subject of the post.   I just cant believe that MS doesn't have a more aggressive stance against this?????   I'm actually talking about a dedicated team who trolls the multiplayer matchs, reports and bans these folks on the spot when this type of thing is going on.  Maybe it's impossible for any company to do that, but still if the threat was there that you could be banned for conduct at anytime, then I feel it would cut down on a lot of this completely. 

Am I crazy?  Should I just suck it up and continue to wade through the sea of trash because that's just the way it is?  Or do some of you folks agree with me?   Cause I sure am frustrated to be hooked on a great multiplayer game, cod4 I know I should expect it in the most popular online title right now, but lately have been having it up to here with the talk.  

Like I said I apologize for the same old stuff folks wish were different about online communities, but I had to vent a bit.  

Thanks for reading take it easy gamer parents. 

you make an excellent point im sick of being taunted with racial slurs from ingronet ppl or haveing to listen to them (yes i know theres a mute) im going to make the point that in most cases its considered verbile assult witch is a serrious offence i think they sould expand there team for investageting complants (even tho they cant do evey one) but when ppl start haveing 10-15 or even less complantes agenst them some thing should ring a alarm bell

Hey fallen, it does ring an alarm bell.  That's how the system works and that's why people get their accounts banned.

Mr Mojo, why not do more if more is possible?  if the system worked, people would be afraid of doing, but they aren't.  m$ could so more, but up to this point they don't.  why let this behavior turn into the norm when it doesn't have to be?  it's degrading to society and it generally makes us all look bad.  with that being the issue, why not argue to have things changed?  why be a part of the problem, actually the entire vessel for delivery, when it wouldn't be much more difficult to be a part of a greater solution, a message that this kind of behavior is not right?  if anything is being extorted here, by definition (not speculation like your comment implies), it's the fact that m$ doesn't change stuff because it could make them lose money.  argue all you want, but a lot of people use live because they know they can get away with this kind of behavior - and m$ knows that as well.

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Let me ask you, if people aren't involved enough to use the current system to it's fullest extent, why should MS add more?  The people here are saying the system doesn't work not because they have evidence to prove so, but because they are making assumptions and plagued with cynicism. 

The argument here isn't for corporate responsibility.  As far as MS is concerned, they've laid out a decent system for its users.  It's not about money because MICROSOFT BANS PEOPLE.  Nobody here has been able to prove that offenders do not get banned when reported.  As well, Microsoft's partners are continually working to make the live experience better.  Played Halo lately?  Cheaters, glitchers, and offensive players are finding their accounts banned at an increasingly higher level.  If you don't believe me, I can refer you to people on my friends list that have had their accounts banned for content in their gamer profile, or people that have been forced to change an offensive gamertag.

The argument here is for social responsibility.  I'm not passing the buck onto a big conglomerate.  If I encounter an offensive user I avoid and report them and guess what, they can't bother me anymore.  These are the steps that the socially responsible gamer should be taking to protect himself, his family and other users.   

i believe it was bungie that initiated the whole thing with halo 3, not m$.  if that was the case, we'd see the same thing in gears and cod4.  second, it's not an assumption that the system doesn't work when people everyday continue to act they way they do without fear of anything happening.  i know that if i'm banned i can simply make a second gamertag and continue.  that means in simple english, problem not fixed, problem changed name.  and nowhere on earth does the theory of crime and punishment work because it's intended to be looked at from the standpoint of "let them do it so we can see who needs punishing", it works because it's "don't do it because it's not right, and if you do we'll punish you".  the punishment is meant to be a deterrent so it doesn't happen in the first place, not an effect that takes place after you've pissed off enough people to raise a flag that something isn't right.  in your argument, it is simply an effect.  and yes, as the provider of a service, m$ is the only one to blame for it.  they created the rules, they created the environment, they gave us the tools, they have to be the one to make or break it.  it works no differently in society and that's the reason for this "social responsibility" you speak of and why it doesn't work here.  your argument is that of the lazy man and that's why those of us like nien and MO have a problem with it.  it's not hard to hit the file a complaint button, but after so many years now, it's obviously not fixing the greater problem.

 

don't say put mic on friends only.  that mutes everyone else, even possibly new friends i might make.  but i wouldn't  know that because i muted them.  i want the ability to go into a room to play a game and not have to first worry about who's getting muted complained about etc.  that's rediculous to have to do.  for a service i pay money for, it would be really nice to be able to go into the room knowing that everybody knows that if they get out of line even once there could be someone listening that could make something happen immidiatly and permanently - just like it does when you're walking down the street.  is that too much to ask?  i don't think so.

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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

One last time, MS is not responsible for bigotry.  The media has already covered this.  There's been countless stories about online behaviour as well as sensationalized stories about violence and other content in video games.  Do you know what the response is?  MS can release a statement indicating their stance, their procedures and their parental controls system, when if used properly, can prevent you from being exposed to unsavoury behaviour.     

I see you got your extortion achievement though.

It is not extortion.  I am laying out to them a plan.  No need to get cute, Redmond style.  I would prefer not to have to go that route.  You say it has been done.  It has not on this level and in this way.  It would be set solely on M$ and reference the responses that I have gotten from them...basically a yawn.  That would be a story that some consumer reporter will run; they are always looking for a big story to move away from  consumer stories.


  There is a huge difference to pointing out a series of steps you are willing to take to someone.  I would prefer step 1, a committee of gamers and M$ talking about their expereinces with the issue.  It could include members from both side of the community, but this needs to stop getting ignored.  Any smart business listens to their customers.  Now they may have listened to me, but when you get the same rote response that you can tell is coming from a card, it is hard to feel that way.

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 Form SR wrote:

i believe it was bungie that initiated the whole thing with halo 3, not m$.  if that was the case, we'd see the same thing in gears and cod4.  second, it's not an assumption that the system doesn't work when people everyday continue to act they way they do without fear of anything happening.  i know that if i'm banned i can simply make a second gamertag and continue.  that means in simple english, problem not fixed, problem changed name.  and nowhere on earth does the theory of crime and punishment work because it's intended to be looked at from the standpoint of "let them do it so we can see who needs punishing", it works because it's "don't do it because it's not right, and if you do we'll punish you".  the punishment is meant to be a deterrent so it doesn't happen in the first place, not an effect that takes place after you've pissed off enough people to raise a flag that something isn't right.  in your argument, it is simply an effect.  and yes, as the provider of a service, m$ is the only one to blame for it.  they created the rules, they created the environment, they gave us the tools, they have to be the one to make or break it.  it works no differently in society and that's the reason for this "social responsibility" you speak of and why it doesn't work here.  your argument is that of the lazy man and that's why those of us like nien and MO have a problem with it.  it's not hard to hit the file a complaint button, but after so many years now, it's obviously not fixing the greater problem.

 

don't say put mic on friends only.  that mutes everyone else, even possibly new friends i might make.  but i wouldn't  know that because i muted them.  i want the ability to go into a room to play a game and not have to first worry about who's getting muted complained about etc.  that's rediculous to have to do.  for a service i pay money for, it would be really nice to be able to go into the room knowing that everybody knows that if they get out of line even once there could be someone listening that could make something happen immidiatly and permanently - just like it does when you're walking down the street.  is that too much to ask?  i don't think so.

Yet another post riddled with more assumptions than factual evidence.  Go ahead, make a second gamertag and buy another $50 live membership just so you can be a jerk online.  You see if you add logic to the equation, a lot of the extreme skepticism disappears.  Who is really going to do that?  To the guy that said you get free subscriptions in games, well in either case you'd have to be buying an awful lot of games to keep up with the bans.

"it would be really nice to be able to go into the room knowing that everybody knows that if they get out of line even once there could be someone listening that could make something happen immidiatly and permanently - just like it does when you're walking down the street.". 

What exactly happens immediately and permanently when you're walking down the street.  If someone yells out the n-word does the hand of God come down and smite them right there?  I'm almost willing to guarantee that you walk away shaking your head and complaining how society is going downhill.

I also never suggested putting your mic on friends only.  That's a recommendation for children.  It's the same recommendation any responsible parent would make before sending their child online whether it be through the PC or through Microsoft.  I'm really sorry that racism exists, I truly am, but MS is not going to make it go away.  I'm sorry that you have to take a second to mute and report any offensive behaviour while you're gaming but that's all part of being a socially responsible person.

And now for the big finale statement that will surely result in multiple flames launched my way: It seems after all of this I was wrong.  You guys don't want MS to babysit your children for you, you want MS to babysit you.

MR MOJ0 R1SIN

Im not sure why you are still here posting, you dont believe in what we are doing and thats ok. But if you not here to help please go. In your little world everything is Great, and all we are saying is everything is not ok and we want to help make a better LIVE. PERIOD.

 

Let me say it again slow. WE    ARE     TRYING TO MAKE A BETTER      LIVE!!!!!!!!! Period

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Well MO Moss, probably for the same reason you are.  To express my stance on a public forum.  I'm stunned at how sensitive you are to criticism, so much so that you try to belittle my opinion by reducing it to "my little world" and the whole typing like you're speaking slowly.  While comical, that's rather an immature and offensive way to approach a debate. 

I'll say again, nobody has offered up any concrete proof that someone that has been reported and investigated did not receive a ban.  I on the other hand can give you names of people that have been banned if you're so interested in interviewing them for your cause.  I'm sorry to say that unless you are ever capable providing proof, then you don't have a leg to stand on.  The bigger man would accept my role as devil's advocate and try to construct a better, more suitable argument to overcome the naysayers.  You and your cohorts however have taken the low road.  I'm stunned that nobody has played the forum wildcard yet and called me a "fanboy" because everyone knows that argument trumps all on the xbox forum. 

I'm going to send you a FR.  Maybe if you play with me sometime you'll see I'm not such a bad guy.  However, you've taken what very little you know about me and have drawn multiple conclusions about what my lifestyle, education, career and overall level of competency is.  How different is that from somebody making a "your momma" comment without actually meeting the woman?  In the world of black and white it isn't any different.  Prejudice is prejudice.  You can argue that one comment is less harmful than the other, but if nobody took the time to investigate the situation and pass judgement, then you'd be punished the same as all other offenders.

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

While comical, that's rather an immature and offensive way to approach a debate. 

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

A debate on a gaming forum.  I think I print this out and put it beside the toilet for some good bathroom reading ...

except ...

Well it isn't that great of a read.

 

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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

Well MO Moss, probably for the same reason you are.  To express my stance on a public forum.  I'm stunned at how sensitive you are to criticism, so much so that you try to belittle my opinion by reducing it to "my little world" and the whole typing like you're speaking slowly.  While comical, that's rather an immature and offensive way to approach a debate. 

I'll say again, nobody has offered up any concrete proof that someone that has been reported and investigated did not receive a ban.  I on the other hand can give you names of people that have been banned if you're so interested in interviewing them for your cause.  I'm sorry to say that unless you are ever capable providing proof, then you don't have a leg to stand on.  The bigger man would accept my role as devil's advocate and try to construct a better, more suitable argument to overcome the naysayers.  You and your cohorts however have taken the low road.  I'm stunned that nobody has played the forum wildcard yet and called me a "fanboy" because everyone knows that argument trumps all on the xbox forum. 

I'm going to send you a FR.  Maybe if you play with me sometime you'll see I'm not such a bad guy.  However, you've taken what very little you know about me and have drawn multiple conclusions about what my lifestyle, education, career and overall level of competency is.  How different is that from somebody making a "your momma" comment without actually meeting the woman?  In the world of black and white it isn't any different.  Prejudice is prejudice.  You can argue that one comment is less harmful than the other, but if nobody took the time to investigate the situation and pass judgement, then you'd be punished the same as all other offenders.

 lol fun stuff

1) i stopped debating  about 2 pages ago

2)   why are you playing devil's advocate? If you are doing it because your bored , i feel sorry for you. If your doing it because you believe  it, i feel sorry for you.

 

Let me try one more time. The 360 is coming out with a new fall update to try and make the 360 better, why because they think it can be "key word" BETTER. That is all MO MOSS is saying.    Easy dedate over lets try an make LIVE better !!!!!!!!!!!

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you really didn't think this through very well.  and nothing there is an assumption, you are blind if you believe so.

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

Yet another post riddled with more assumptions than factual evidence.  Go ahead, make a second gamertag and buy another $50 live membership just so you can be a jerk online.  You see if you add logic to the equation, a lot of the extreme skepticism disappears.  Who is really going to do that?  To the guy that said you get free subscriptions in games, well in either case you'd have to be buying an awful lot of games to keep up with the bans.

i know people that have done it, in fact one of my real life friends has done it 5 (that's FIVE) times.  One of those times he talked a rather dumb M$ customer service rep into giving him his account back.  $200 dollars to live in one year so that he can keep doing it. ( we agree to disagree and when playing together he tones it down because he knows i don't like it because he respects me. )  you see if you tell people to add logic to the equation, but you still don't know what you're talking about, you only look to be stretching for an argument to stand on because you are then, in fact, yourself assuming.  people will do it because they can - this is not opinion, it is fact.

What exactly happens immediately and permanently when you're walking down the street.  If someone yells out the n-word does the hand of God come down and smite them right there?  I'm almost willing to guarantee that you walk away shaking your head and complaining how society is going downhill.

 

was it you who mentioned that nien used sensationalism a while back?  i hope not.  the hand of god?  probably not.  the dude with the gun or knife?  highly likely in some nieghborhoods.  or at least a nice broken nose and a few ribs in most.  in the nieghborhoods where nothing would happen, you're not likely to see someone yelling the n-word.

I also never suggested putting your mic on friends only.  That's a recommendation for children.  It's the same recommendation any responsible parent would make before sending their child online whether it be through the PC or through Microsoft.  I'm really sorry that racism exists, I truly am, but MS is not going to make it go away.  I'm sorry that you have to take a second to mute and report any offensive behaviour while you're gaming but that's all part of being a socially responsible person.

as well as it's m$ social responsibility.  i don't think anyone here as tried to "pass the buck" to microsoft entirely,  we do our part, but if you are going to say that it's socially responsible you must at least hold both sides equally accountable. 

And now for the big finale statement that will surely result in multiple flames launched my way: It seems after all of this I was wrong.  You guys don't want MS to babysit your children for you, you want MS to babysit you.

my xbox is not a babysitter sir, it's a service i pay for to be entertained by, not a service i pay to become hated without just cause simply because i want to play a game. 

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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

I suggest you look up the words action and apathy in the dictionary and give yourself a clear understanding of what each of them means.  Here's what I pull from this entire conversation:

If a crime were being committed in my neighbourhood, I would call the police.  I would watch the police take the criminal away and read about the trial in the newspaper to gauge for myself whether or not justice was served.

If a crime were being committed in your neighbourhood, you would start a website and call the news in disgust that the police didn't stop this guy.  You'd then blame the local government for not doing enough and tell them to give you a badge and a gun so next time you can stop the guy.  Then if somebody asks why you didn't call the cops, you'd label them with a bunch of insults telling them that the cops wouldn't have done anything if you called anyway.

Lol. That was awesome.

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 Sir Legendhead wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

I suggest you look up the words action and apathy in the dictionary and give yourself a clear understanding of what each of them means.  Here's what I pull from this entire conversation:

If a crime were being committed in my neighbourhood, I would call the police.  I would watch the police take the criminal away and read about the trial in the newspaper to gauge for myself whether or not justice was served.

If a crime were being committed in your neighbourhood, you would start a website and call the news in disgust that the police didn't stop this guy.  You'd then blame the local government for not doing enough and tell them to give you a badge and a gun so next time you can stop the guy.  Then if somebody asks why you didn't call the cops, you'd label them with a bunch of insults telling them that the cops wouldn't have done anything if you called anyway.

Lol. That was awesome.

Except it is  a false analogy and filled with misinformation.  I unfortunately back using the weak system until we get something more effective.  What else could we expect from lemmings?

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 Form SR wrote:

 

was it you who mentioned that nien used sensationalism a while back?  i hope not.  the hand of god?  probably not.  the dude with the gun or knife?  highly likely in some nieghborhoods.  or at least a nice broken nose and a few ribs in most.  in the nieghborhoods where nothing would happen, you're not likely to see someone yelling the n-word.

So it's more acceptable for someone to break a nose or a few ribs?  You see, that's the type of vigilante, eye for an eye extreme behaviour that keeps the ban priviledges out of the hands of John Q. Public.  It took awhile but I'm glad you got around to proving my point for me.

it wasn't awesome, it was a huge assumption and the poster putting words into someones mouth based off hearsay.  it was at best a weak attempt to discredit.  one that not only does not apply hear because of the fact that this situation is different.  how is it different?  on xbl, microsoft is not the police.  they are the governing body that should make the police.  the police do not exist in the same form of the word. 

 

it would be much more acurate if the post read like this:

If a crime were being committed in my neighbourhood, I would call the Govenor.  I would watch the Govenor take all the time he wanted to try and find some kind of political party to follow in order to possibly in the future make a law about it and decide whether or not a task force should be put together to think about punishing the wrong doer.  then i would hope that he's done it multiple times so that i have enough reason to do so in the first place.  i would read about the descion making process in the newspaper over the next few years to see if justice has been served.

now that's flame worthy

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Oh, I guess you're not aware that live complaints don't go directly to the CEO.  They go to a group of individuals whose job it is to react accordingly. 

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 Form SR wrote:

 

was it you who mentioned that nien used sensationalism a while back?  i hope not.  the hand of god?  probably not.  the dude with the gun or knife?  highly likely in some nieghborhoods.  or at least a nice broken nose and a few ribs in most.  in the nieghborhoods where nothing would happen, you're not likely to see someone yelling the n-word.

So it's more acceptable for someone to break a nose or a few ribs?  You see, that's the type of vigilante, eye for an eye extreme behaviour that keeps the ban priviledges out of the hands of John Q. Public.  It took awhile but I'm glad you got around to proving my point for me.

 

and again, you try to insert words into my mouth that i did not say.  i did not say it was acceptable, i said it's why it doesn't happen elsewhere when it's a possibility.

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MR MOJ0 R1SIN:  Below was a question! Or are you done debating?

 

 

why are you playing devil's advocate?

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