DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

  if these threads were all hauled off into no man's land like you say..then how was Peter Moore able to so-called respond to the community cries if all the threads of their cries were deleted?

Little known fact: Peter Moore (although a Liverpool supporter) is well versed in the Force.  Just like Obi-Wan, Peter felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

if these threads were all hauled off into no man's land like you say..then how was Peter Moore able to so-called respond to the community cries if all the threads of their cries were deleted?

He was being asked questions by the media wherever he went. That and I am giving him the benefit of doubt that he got bored enough to read these forums at least once a month.

In any case, I can assure you that not all threads moved to "Wish List and Feedback" were supposed to be there, unless you assume a working 360 to be part of a wishlist.

No mod can deny that all hardware failure threads were unnecessarily being hauled off into "no man's land". You just can't.

Also, I really doubt that there is a purpose to the majority of threads in here, if that's the way you look at a technical discussion about how the Internet works.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

if these threads were all hauled off into no man's land like you say..then how was Peter Moore able to so-called respond to the community cries if all the threads of their cries were deleted?

He was being asked questions by the media wherever he went. That and I am giving him the benefit of doubt that he got bored enough to read these forums at least once a month.

In any case, I can assure you that not all threads moved to "Wish List and Feedback" were supposed to be there, unless you assume a working 360 to be part of a wishlist.

No mod can deny that all hardware failure threads were unnecessarily being hauled off into "no man's land". You just can't.

Also, I really doubt that there is a purpose to the majority of threads in here, if that's the way you look at a technical discussion about how the Internet works.

My role is community manager. Part of my job is to listen to you guys and gather feedback. BELIEVE me, I don't just listen when you guys are happy little campers.

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 Surly Duff wrote:

 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

  if these threads were all hauled off into no man's land like you say..then how was Peter Moore able to so-called respond to the community cries if all the threads of their cries were deleted?

Little known fact: Peter Moore (although a Liverpool supporter) is well versed in the Force.  Just like Obi-Wan, Peter felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

that clears up so much.  trained in the force i must become.

 

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No mod can deny that all hardware failure threads were unnecessarily being hauled off into "no man's land". You just can't.

I'm glad you took the time to research your claim.  Unfortunately:

http://forums.xbox.com/8347347/ShowPost.aspx  (11/23/06)

http://forums.xbox.com/943579/ShowPost.aspx (12/06/05)

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 DirtyDiva wrote:

BELIEVE me, I don't just listen when you guys are happy little campers.

Is that some bizarro world?

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 Surly Duff wrote:

I'm glad you took the time to research your claim.  Unfortunately:

http://forums.xbox.com/8347347/ShowPost.aspx  (11/23/06)

http://forums.xbox.com/943579/ShowPost.aspx (12/06/05)

So you're saying only 2 threads were made?

I don't get your point...you're saying I am lying about those hardware threads in "Wish List and Feedback". You think I am lying about how my "My Forums" list used to get reduced by like 10 threads every morning?

Sure, you can call me a troll, but that would be just about as credible as saying that the 360 never had hardware issues.

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I don't get your point...you're saying I am lying about those hardware threads...

You made an absolute claim that was, of course, not true.  You claimed ALL threads were removed and I just showed you two examples that disprove your point. 

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i think what we have here is an inaccurate assumption that the Wishlist and Feedback forum is not visible by the public.  that forum is viewable.  moving a thread there does not make "hidden" etc.  if your issue is that it's not a highly populated forum such as the general Xbox 360 one, then i'm not sure what to say beyond the fact that maybe people want to talk about better things?

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You made an absolute claim that was, of course, not true.  You claimed ALL threads were removed and I just showed you two examples that disprove your point. 

Just like one of the mods claimed that 10/10 it is sue to reasons in the OP that the threads get locked.

But yeah, way to completely own me there.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

i think what we have here is an inaccurate assumption that the Wishlist and Feedback forum is not visible by the public.  that forum is viewable.  moving a thread there does not make "hidden" etc.  if your issue is that it's not a highly populated forum such as the general Xbox 360 one, then i'm not sure what to say beyond the fact that maybe people want to talk about better things?

OK now we're getting somewhere.

1. Where did I say the forum is "hidden"? It surely isn't if I can read it.
2. You're saying people want to talk about "better things". Where's the referandum on that?

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 esgargs wrote:

 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

i think what we have here is an inaccurate assumption that the Wishlist and Feedback forum is not visible by the public.  that forum is viewable.  moving a thread there does not make "hidden" etc.  if your issue is that it's not a highly populated forum such as the general Xbox 360 one, then i'm not sure what to say beyond the fact that maybe people want to talk about better things?

OK now we're getting somewhere.

1. Where did I say the forum is "hidden"? It surely isn't if I can read it.
2. You're saying people want to talk about "better things". Where's the referandum on that?

there was a question mark behind what i posted i believe as if to identify i was asking a question not making a statement.

all this time you've been referring to threads being moved to the Wishlist forum as some kind of bad thing.  i figured perhaps your issue was a "i don't think it'll be seen" type of thing.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

there was a question mark behind what i posted i believe as if to identify i was asking a question not making a statement.

all this time you've been referring to threads being moved to the Wishlist forum as some kind of bad thing.  i figured perhaps your issue was a "i don't think it'll be seen" type of thing.

I don't know man....I wish I were a mod to effectively answer that question. I guess I really don't have anything more to add to what I have said up until now.

I always thought moving was a bad thing unless they were meant to be there in the first place, but I was obviously wrong.

You win.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

i believe that thread had failed on a number of accounts including 1) its purpose had been served 2) you and P0s were just spewing back and forth etc 3) wasn't really adding much beyond a place to enact your grudges.

and just some food for thought for ya....people's threads get locked and deleted.  that's just the way it is.  it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.  if these threads were all hauled off into no man's land like you say..then how was Peter Moore able to so-called respond to the community cries if all the threads of their cries were deleted?

there is no conspiracy.  things get locked for the most part for all the reaons i stated in the initial post.  there's a topic on it already, it's the same user comlaining about the same thing over and over, wrong forum, duplicate subject etc.

research it.  10/10 times you'll know this to be true.

I for one am glad that thread got locked - way too much negative attitude, and I was guilty for indulging. Sorry I let you down Deac

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All in all this thread is an indicator of how things have turned with the community. Everyone is reading the same text, but it's apparent that we're not all on the same page.  

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 P0sitronic wrote:

I for one am glad that thread got locked - way too much negative attitude, and I was guilty for indulging. Sorry I let you down Deac

I am glad you took time off to threaten me by PMs and also sent a message on Xbox Live. There's a reason you have the on-topic icon.

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 esgargs wrote:

 P0sitronic wrote:

I for one am glad that thread got locked - way too much negative attitude, and I was guilty for indulging. Sorry I let you down Deac

I am glad you took time off to threaten me by PMs and also sent a message on Xbox Live. There's a reason you have the on-topic icon.

This belongs on Telemundo.

Telemundo

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 esgargs wrote:

 P0sitronic wrote:

I for one am glad that thread got locked - way too much negative attitude, and I was guilty for indulging. Sorry I let you down Deac

I am glad you took time off to threaten me by PMs and also sent a message on Xbox Live. There's a reason you have the on-topic icon.

I will not feed trolls any more

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 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

This is a forum.  Not life.

So when I visit here am I leaving reality? I've heard the analogy of this place being a drug, but that's going a little far.

 

I understand where you're coming from though. However I can't say I appreciate it myself. As a person with eyes everything I read has an effect on me.

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 DeaconBlade 360 wrote:

i think what we have here is an inaccurate assumption that the Wishlist and Feedback forum is not visible by the public.  that forum is viewable.  moving a thread there does not make "hidden" etc.  if your issue is that it's not a highly populated forum such as the general Xbox 360 one, then i'm not sure what to say beyond the fact that maybe people want to talk about better things?

The point I think he's trying to make is that sometimes threads are moved there so they can die.  The wishlist and feedback fourm has little to no traffic.   I can guarentee you without a doubt that if everyone who is a regular on the 360 board decided to use the wishlist forum as their main posting board, nothing controversial would be moved there.  Some topics are not moved their because they are supposed to be there, they are moved there to not be seen.

Anyway the locking or deleting threads doesn't bother me at all.  There are times that needs to be done.  What bothers me is Mod's not having the common courtesy to tell you what you did wrong.   Deacon I respect you because almost every single time you've locked a thread you are the last post in that thread explaining why the post was locked.   You did it to me once when I posted something that was already posted.    That is the proper way most message boards operate.

For some Reason MS operates in a completely different fashion.  What happens is a MOD locks a thread and you hear nothing.  You don't know what rule you violated and you don't know why your CUL was lowered.  That pisses people offf so what do they do?   They make another post complaining.  Which makes the fourms a mess with spam. 

How hard is it for a MOD to make the last post in a thread and say this thread is locked because "It's off topic".  If a mod is to embarrased to give a reason to lock a thread, then they probably shouldn't of locked it.

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What also damages this community is Mods/MVPs lack of respect for each other.   I have never seen a group of mod's on any board undercut each others authority as much as Xbox.com.   I can't tell you how many times I've been posting in a thread in which many  Mod's are posting in and participating in the discussion, only to have a different mod come in and lock the thread.

Who does that?   What kind of jerk would come in and undercut another mod like that?  Mod's should respect each others judgment.   If a Mod/MVP is posting in a thread and involved in a discussion, you don't just go and lock the thread.   Thats just bush league.

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 Shamrock wrote:

Anyway the locking or deleting threads doesn't bother me at all.  There are times that needs to be done.  What bothers me is Mod's not having the common courtesy to tell you what you did wrong.   Deacon I respect you because almost every single time you've locked a thread you are the last post in that thread explaining why the post was locked.   You did it to me once when I posted something that was already posted.    That is the proper way most message boards operate.

I think Deacon would be the first to admit that he doesn't make the last post in every single thread he locks.  With the magintude of threads that are locked, most of the time that is impossible.

I personally had actually had a member report me because they felt I was innapropriate in posting a reason why the thread was locked before locking it because they felt I was acting as if on a power trip by having the last word. 

It's a no-win situation.  Some people appreciate it, others don't.  If it is a post that is off-topic I have no problem posting the reason it is being closed.  But if it is an angry flame filled posts.. announcing you are the one locking it is just opening it up to a ton of abusive PM's and constant harrasment.  Many times after that some people feel the need to post another post complaining that their post has been deleted and desire a flame-filled off topic discussion on the unfairness.  Beleive me... embarrasment has nothing to do with it :) 

Usually if it is regular posters that I am familiar with (and believe me, I am familiar with a lot of the posters who may have no idea who I am) I usually always post a reson why.  But when you are sifting through hundreds of reported threads, sometimes urgency to remove offensive posts takes precendence over documenting the reason the thread was deleted.


Out of curiousity.. why are you stating Deacon does things one way and MS does things another?  When Deacon locks a thread he is acting as a MOD and follows the same rules. And as it has been stated many times, MOD's are not employees of MS. So in that sense, saying Deacon does things one way and a MOD does it a different way, isn't accurate.

About the CUL being lowered... it really isn't necessary to stare a reason why since the offender is usually very aware why it was since it is only done under certain circumstances. 

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 Shamrock wrote:

What also damages this community is Mods/MVPs lack of respect for each other.   I have never seen a group of mod's on any board undercut each others authority as much as Xbox.com.   I can't tell you how many times I've been posting in a thread in which many  Mod's are posting in and participating in the discussion, only to have a different mod come in and lock the thread.

Who does that?   What kind of jerk would come in and undercut another mod like that?  Mod's should respect each others judgment.   If a Mod/MVP is posting in a thread and involved in a discussion, you don't just go and lock the thread.   Thats just bush league.

Lock or delete?  How long is the thread?  Is it over 10 pages with the last 4 pages full of spam and obscenties?  Sometimes it is easier to delete a thread and send a message to the OP and ask them to repost their original post rather than read through pages of of the thread deleting the individual spam/flaming posts. 

If locking... perhaps the original question had been answered already but some posters feel the need to keep responding with answer that have already been addressed, keeping the thread unecessarily active. I could see another MOD locking the thread at that time after receiving a report on it.

Unless you have a specific example in mind?

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About the CUL being lowered... it really isn't necessary to stare a reason why since the offender is usually very aware why it was since it is only done under certain circumstances.

I've never known why, until very recently for me. My 6 got taken away because of some harsh words, but in the end I'm all the more content with a 5. Other than that, most of my CUL changes have been completely unexpected. In truth, I've tried so very hard to lower my CUL in the past few days, and its proven much more difficult than I anticipated.

 

If I could though, I'd have no CUL for myself at all. Its only another oddity people find a way to judge me by.

 

Most preferrably, I wouldn't have a name, an avatar, or a gamercard next to me when I post. My words and actions are enough to describe me.

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 kiki kat wrote:

Out of curiousity.. why are you stating Deacon does things one way and MS does things another?  When Deacon locks a thread he is acting as a MOD and follows the same rules. And as it has been stated many times, MOD's are not employees of MS. So in that sense, saying Deacon does things one way and a MOD does it a different way, isn't accurate.

About the CUL being lowered... it really isn't necessary to stare a reason why since the offender is usually very aware why it was since it is only done under certain circumstances. 

Sorry I should have been more clear.  There are two "separate groups" of people who moderate this site.  There are Mods/MVP's (people like You and Deacon) and there are paid MS People "X".  When I say MS I was referring to the people with "X".   Most (not all) of the "X" people have history's of trying to cover up the truth, trying to delete/lock anything negative.   There only interest in viewing these boards is not to interact with the community, but rather to damage control anything negative.  Most of them are part of the MS PR team and they have no interest in letting us discuss anything controversial.  

-No xbox arcade games have been price cut in 2 years.  Deleted. 
-1up reports MS has so many repairs in UK that they are outsourcing to Croatia. Deleted. 
-A guy has 11 360's break, he records his conversation with support as proof.  Deleted. 

You see the pattern?  All these posts I made were with links to a credible gaming site.  It doesn't matter that all that stuff was true with a valid and working link.   What mattered was damage control.

I was punished for posting this stuff.  Why?  It's valid news from  credible gaming websites.   If MS is ashamed of these things then they should do something about it.  The problem is every single one of those problems I mentioned stems from M$'s Greed.   How do you defend that?  How do you give a good reason that not one price of a arcade game has been cut in almost 2 years?   They can't defend that and they can't say it's because they want to milk us for every nickel they can.  So what do they do?  They don't allow us to talk about it and punish people who do.

I mean come on, Pool a XBLA launch game is still 1200 points.   I read on IGN that the developers of pool want to cut the price to 800 points and MS won't allow them to because then people will expect other games to get price cuts.   Hey charging cut throat prices is good for MS, but not for us gamers.  I don't own MS stock and MS doesn't pay me to work for them.  All I know is that stinks for us.  When something stinks for gamers I shouldn't have to sit there and be silent or else I'm not a good MS soilder.

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 Rham wrote:

 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

This is a forum.  Not life.

So when I visit here am I leaving reality? I've heard the analogy of this place being a drug, but that's going a little far.

 

I understand where you're coming from though. However I can't say I appreciate it myself. As a person with eyes everything I read has an effect on me.

What I mean is that you guys seem to be taking this a little to seriously.  Just come on here, talk about Xbox, then leave.  That will make things a little more simple.

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 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

 Rham wrote:

 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

This is a forum.  Not life.

So when I visit here am I leaving reality? I've heard the analogy of this place being a drug, but that's going a little far.

 

I understand where you're coming from though. However I can't say I appreciate it myself. As a person with eyes everything I read has an effect on me.

What I mean is that you guys seem to be taking this a little to seriously.  Just come on here, talk about Xbox, then leave.  That will make things a little more simple.

 

 

ok,fine...I'll talk. I don't understand why the mods and MS are deleting threads about the problems with the 360...like all my posts have disappeared about the stories as to why I am on my 7th xbox......My post from last night has been deleted......It's as if they are engaging in revisionist history.But,the truth is out there..and the people know......

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 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

 Rham wrote:

 DRPOOLIPS423 wrote:

This is a forum.  Not life.

So when I visit here am I leaving reality? I've heard the analogy of this place being a drug, but that's going a little far.

 

I understand where you're coming from though. However I can't say I appreciate it myself. As a person with eyes everything I read has an effect on me.

What I mean is that you guys seem to be taking this a little to seriously.  Just come on here, talk about Xbox, then leave.  That will make things a little more simple.

 

ok,fine...I'll talk. I don't understand why the mods and MS are deleting threads about the problems with the 360...like all my posts have disappeared about the stories as to why I am on my 7th xbox......My post from last night has been deleted......It's as if they are engaging in revisionist history.But,the truth is out there..and the people know......

If you have a problem with the way things are run on this forum, then leave.  Nobody is making you stay.

 

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