MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

Oh, I guess you're not aware that live complaints don't go directly to the CEO.  They go to a group of individuals whose job it is to react accordingly. 

 

oh, like the govenors aids?   cause i know you don't mean the police.  police would be out patroling the streets , or in this case, the games people play, to attempt to prevent.  i guess your not aware how our system of government works.

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 MO MOSS wrote:

MR MOJ0 R1SIN:  Below was a question! Or are you done debating?

 

 

why are you playing devil's advocate?

Sorry once again Mo Moss that I didn't give your question the immediate attention that it very well deserves.  I again apologize that my lack of an immediate response has forced you to try and call me out again. 

Frankly I feel that this isn't much of a debate at all since the opposing side has provided nothing in the form of an argument but has instead stood behind a broad statement that racism is bad and Microsoft needs to do more to stop it. 

The reason I'm still posting here is probably the same reason you feel the need to come back and continue posting, because I feel I have something to say.  This is a public forum isn't it.  Or have I stumbled onto a secret club where outside opinions and views are not welcome. 

 Form SR wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

Oh, I guess you're not aware that live complaints don't go directly to the CEO.  They go to a group of individuals whose job it is to react accordingly. 

 

oh, like the govenors aids?   cause i know you don't mean the police.  police would be out patroling the streets , or in this case, the games people play, to attempt to prevent.  i guess your not aware how our system of government works.

There are people monitoring live as well.

Apparently you need a lesson on law enforcement as well.  Did you know that cops don't only respond to crimes they see while on patrol right?  They also take calls and respond to those.  Then the criminal is charged and taken to court to stand trial to see if they're truly guilty.

They have people monitoring Live, but I'm thinking they probably only have about a dozen people trying to keep an eye on a couple of million.

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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

MR MOJ0 R1SIN:  Below was a question! Or are you done debating?

 

 

why are you playing devil's advocate?

Sorry once again Mo Moss that I didn't give your question the immediate attention that it very well deserves.  I again apologize that my lack of an immediate response has forced you to try and call me out again. 

Frankly I feel that this isn't much of a debate at all since the opposing side has provided nothing in the form of an argument but has instead stood behind a broad statement that racism is bad and Microsoft needs to do more to stop it. 

The reason I'm still posting here is probably the same reason you feel the need to come back and continue posting, because I feel I have something to say.  This is a public forum isn't it.  Or have I stumbled onto a secret club where outside opinions and views are not welcome. 

 No answer , i see its cool. Your bored i quess.

 Thats not what im saying, listen again .

"the system can be better, the system can be better, the system can be better, the system can be better" 

Right or No?

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 MO MOSS wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

MR MOJ0 R1SIN:  Below was a question! Or are you done debating?

 

 

why are you playing devil's advocate?

Sorry once again Mo Moss that I didn't give your question the immediate attention that it very well deserves.  I again apologize that my lack of an immediate response has forced you to try and call me out again. 

Frankly I feel that this isn't much of a debate at all since the opposing side has provided nothing in the form of an argument but has instead stood behind a broad statement that racism is bad and Microsoft needs to do more to stop it. 

The reason I'm still posting here is probably the same reason you feel the need to come back and continue posting, because I feel I have something to say.  This is a public forum isn't it.  Or have I stumbled onto a secret club where outside opinions and views are not welcome. 

 No answer , i see its cool. Your bored i quess.

 Thats not what im saying, listen again .

"the system can be better, the system can be better, the system can be better, the system can be better" 

Right or No?

Mo Moss, if you feel that my comments are not valid and should be ignored then why do you continue to respond?

If you paint broad stroke questions like could the system be better, the answer is yes?  There is nothing in this world that couldn't be better. 

However, if you get down to the details and investigate what people are asking for, their idea of a better system is full of limitations and restrictions.  The comparison can be drawn between democracy and communism.  Within the current system, the people have a voice.  It's not black and white and there is a team of people that investigate the complaint cases and respond with punishment if warranted.  Is it a perfect system?  No.  Is it a fair system that works when used?  Yes, absolutely.  You cannot deny that because for the very last time, you have not proven otherwise.  Just because you heard somebody utter a phrase in a game you just played, it does not mean that people aren't being banned and it doesn't mean that user won't be banned after receiving complaints.

See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime. 

Really, if you want an xbox live staffer in every single game that you play, ready to push the ban button on any evildoers, I hope you're ready to pay considerably more than $50/year for the service. 

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

There are people monitoring live as well.

Apparently you need a lesson on law enforcement as well.  Did you know that cops don't only respond to crimes they see while on patrol right?  They also take calls and respond to those.  Then the criminal is charged and taken to court to stand trial to see if they're truly guilty.

 

you have missed the entire point or you are intentionally ignoring it.  that's fine, it's all gravy that i can report them.  i can and do when i feel i need to.  but then why at the same time don't i have the right to feel this protection when joining a game?  because right now, the prevention is not there and if it is the numbers are so small it makes no difference.  unfortunatly you won't answer that question.  why is it solely my job to report and hope something happens?  why do you not feel that the providers of the content aren't in someway at least partially responsible?  are you going to skirt around those questions as well and keep claiming we have nothing to stand on?...when your footing looks to be on the same ground.

 

and btw, i proved the system doesn't work.  or actually my best friend has.   he can buy his way out of a silver account as often as he would like, and with the amount of stuff he talks online, 4 times in a year ain't that often.  he should have been permanetly banned a long time ago or at least banned enough that every quarter year he can't just buy himself back online.  4 times in a year is easily affordable.  if it happend 4 times in a week, i promise he, and others would not be so quick to act like that.

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 Form SR wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

There are people monitoring live as well.

Apparently you need a lesson on law enforcement as well.  Did you know that cops don't only respond to crimes they see while on patrol right?  They also take calls and respond to those.  Then the criminal is charged and taken to court to stand trial to see if they're truly guilty.

 

you have missed the entire point or you are intentionally ignoring it.  that's fine, it's all gravy that i can report them.  i can and do when i feel i need to.  but then why at the same time don't i have the right to feel this protection when joining a game?  because right now, the prevention is not there and if it is the numbers are so small it makes no difference.  unfortunatly you won't answer that question.  why is it solely my job to report and hope something happens?  why do you not feel that the providers of the content aren't in someway at least partially responsible?  are you going to skirt around those questions as well and keep claiming we have nothing to stand on?...when your footing looks to be on the same ground.

You're misinterpreting or misunderstanding my position.  I am not denying MS's role.  I in fact feel that by offering you an outlet to complain about another user's behaviour, they are going above and beyond the terms of service that you and everyone else here signed up for. 

Let me ask this to the community.  If xbox live were racism free, would you think the problem was solved?  Xbox live and MS are not the cause of this.  Just because you put a fence around your neighbourhood, a lock on your door, pillows over your ears and close your eyes, it does not mean that this stuff is not going on.

Based on the shear number of responses I get, I can tell you're all dedicated people.  But why not focus your efforts against the true problem?

 Form SR wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

There are people monitoring live as well.

Apparently you need a lesson on law enforcement as well.  Did you know that cops don't only respond to crimes they see while on patrol right?  They also take calls and respond to those.  Then the criminal is charged and taken to court to stand trial to see if they're truly guilty.

 

you have missed the entire point or you are intentionally ignoring it.  that's fine, it's all gravy that i can report them.  i can and do when i feel i need to.  but then why at the same time don't i have the right to feel this protection when joining a game?  because right now, the prevention is not there and if it is the numbers are so small it makes no difference.  unfortunatly you won't answer that question.  why is it solely my job to report and hope something happens?  why do you not feel that the providers of the content aren't in someway at least partially responsible?  are you going to skirt around those questions as well and keep claiming we have nothing to stand on?...when your footing looks to be on the same ground.

 

and btw, i proved the system doesn't work.  or actually my best friend has.   he can buy his way out of a silver account as often as he would like, and with the amount of stuff he talks online, 4 times in a year ain't that often.  he should have been permanetly banned a long time ago or at least banned enough that every quarter year he can't just buy himself back online.  4 times in a year is easily affordable.  if it happend 4 times in a week, i promise he, and others would not be so quick to act like that.

By the way, your friend is very fortunate.  He must be one rich racist to be able to afford all those accounts.

"See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime."  

^^^^^^^^^^i agree 100%

 

But we as a Community can still want a better place.

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 MO MOSS wrote:

"See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime."  

^^^^^^^^^^i agree 100%

 

But we as a Community can still want a better place.

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Hey MO, since you've asked me so many questions, can I pose one your way?  I'm not trying to start anything, just generally curious.  Why is it that if you post on here, it's fine but if I post then I must be bored?  You made that comment a couple of times.
Often online you'll hear somebody call someone else a nerd because they play too much or have a certain achievement.  I usually chime in by pointing out we're all on our couches at the same time, playing the same game and wearing the same nerd headset.  So really what sets us apart?

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

"See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime."  

^^^^^^^^^^i agree 100%

 

But we as a Community can still want a better place.

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Hey MO, since you've asked me so many questions, can I pose one your way?  I'm not trying to start anything, just generally curious.  Why is it that if you post on here, it's fine but if I post then I must be bored?  You made that comment a couple of times.
Often online you'll hear somebody call someone else a nerd because they play too much or have a certain achievement.  I usually chime in by pointing out we're all on our couches at the same time, playing the same game and wearing the same nerd headset.  So really what sets us apart?

 ill be back and answer later, have a phone meeting.

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 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

By the way, your friend is very fortunate.  He must be one rich racist to be able to afford all those accounts.

 

i didn't say he was racist, i just said he's been banned.  but i think i can safely assume things about your character now.

 

to answer your community question above: no it would not solve the world's problems, but it could solve xbl's, which is what the conversation is about.  it would also be a step closer in the right direction.  if your so concerned about the problem, they why are you taking a sitting position when it comes to xbl?  stand up and do something instead of waiting for something negative to happen just to report it.

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 Form SR wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

By the way, your friend is very fortunate.  He must be one rich racist to be able to afford all those accounts.

 

i didn't say he was racist, i just said he's been banned.  but i think i can safely assume things about your character now.

 

to answer your community question above: no it would not solve the world's problems, but it could solve xbl's, which is what the conversation is about.  it would also be a step closer in the right direction.  if your so concerned about the problem, they why are you taking a sitting position when it comes to xbl?  stand up and do something instead of waiting for something negative to happen just to report it.

I'm not taking a sitting position.  I just appear to be the only one following the procedure laid out.  Avoid/report/repeat for thick luxurious hair.  A sitting position would be ignoring it entirely which is what many users do because it's too much of an inconvenience to their game for them to access the file a complaint menu.

I donno what the subject may have been changed to in the last..... SEVEN pages, but to me, I live in America. I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech. If some whiny puritan doesn't like what I have to say, he can kick himself from the game. You should have heard me the other night.... whew.... it was nasty. But my freedom stood true! Edit(not really, I typed this along with the rest): I'm sure the mods will be like "freedom of speech, huh?" and delete my post, but I still said it! your deleting it will not unsay it.

Edit(this one I clicked edit for): whoa, I have all rep stars full?! and here I thought freedom and rep stars were inversely proportional.

 CommanderLozano wrote:

I donno what the subject may have been changed to in the last..... SEVEN pages, but to me, I live in America. I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech. If some whiny puritan doesn't like what I have to say, he can kick himself from the game. You should have heard me the other night.... whew.... it was nasty. But my freedom stood true! Edit(not really, I typed this along with the rest): I'm sure the mods will be like "freedom of speech, huh?" and delete my post, but I still said it! your deleting it will not unsay it.

Funny how sometimes "freedom of speech" comes at the expense of "respecting people."

A lot of people say a lot of things online, and I don't always agree with them, but it is their right to say it.   As far as I'm concerned, it takes a *** of a lot to offend me.  But "freedom of speech" doesn't mean there won't be consequences.  People may have to accept your right to say what you think, but they sure as *** don't have to like it.  And if you're going to be a jerk to others, you're going to have to accept that there will be consequences.

Oh, and the "Internet" isn't America.  It's a global thing.  You know: the world?

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 CookingZombies wrote:

 CommanderLozano wrote:

I donno what the subject may have been changed to in the last..... SEVEN pages, but to me, I live in America. I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech. If some whiny puritan doesn't like what I have to say, he can kick himself from the game. You should have heard me the other night.... whew.... it was nasty. But my freedom stood true! Edit(not really, I typed this along with the rest): I'm sure the mods will be like "freedom of speech, huh?" and delete my post, but I still said it! your deleting it will not unsay it.

Funny how sometimes "freedom of speech" comes at the expense of "respecting people."

A lot of people say a lot of things online, and I don't always agree with them, but it is their right to say it.   As far as I'm concerned, it takes a *** of a lot to offend me.  But "freedom of speech" doesn't mean there won't be consequences.  People may have to accept your right to say what you think, but they sure as *** don't have to like it.  And if you're going to be a jerk to others, you're going to have to accept that there will be consequences.

Oh, and the "Internet" isn't America.  It's a global thing.  You know: the world?

True, also to add, why would you want to offend someone anyways? I mean if they are messing with you then I guess its ok, but attack them personally, not their race, or ethnicity, because if you, lets say, Because I'm Hispanic, but considered Mexican even though I was born in the US, but we'll just say Mexican because its easier.  Anyways, lets say I told you " your a lazy aimer" or w/e, you can attack me personally, maybe my voice, my skills or w/e, but if you attack me on my ethnic backround then your also attacking everyone else that falls within my group.( going out of your group is the way to happiness* just a side note*)

Or you could just ignore whoever is bugging you.

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 Nien Numb wrote:

You better get a Sucrets for that cough, and a copy of the first amendment and re-read it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't think I missed anything.

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Come on, man - The use of XBL is not a freedom of speech issue, it's a contractual issue:

The Service is offered to you conditioned on your acceptance without modification of these terms, conditions, and notices contained herein. By selecting "ACCEPT" below, you are attaching your electronic signature to and agreeing to this contract.

 

 crazeeseal wrote:

 Nien Numb wrote:

You better get a Sucrets for that cough, and a copy of the first amendment and re-read it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't think I missed anything.

Private companies and services are not listed, and it is not a mistake.   Glad the Sucrets worked.

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 CookingZombies wrote:

 CommanderLozano wrote:

I donno what the subject may have been changed to in the last..... SEVEN pages, but to me, I live in America. I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech. If some whiny puritan doesn't like what I have to say, he can kick himself from the game. You should have heard me the other night.... whew.... it was nasty. But my freedom stood true! Edit(not really, I typed this along with the rest): I'm sure the mods will be like "freedom of speech, huh?" and delete my post, but I still said it! your deleting it will not unsay it.

Funny how sometimes "freedom of speech" comes at the expense of "respecting people."

A lot of people say a lot of things online, and I don't always agree with them, but it is their right to say it.   As far as I'm concerned, it takes a *** of a lot to offend me.  But "freedom of speech" doesn't mean there won't be consequences.  People may have to accept your right to say what you think, but they sure as *** don't have to like it.  And if you're going to be a jerk to others, you're going to have to accept that there will be consequences.

Oh, and the "Internet" isn't America.  It's a global thing.  You know: the world?

You know, what I said? : "I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech." Duh, I'm saying that I will take my freedom THAT OUR FOREFATHERS FAUGHT FOR!!!!!111 anywhere I go be it another state or somewhere that is nowhere and everywhere at the same time.... underwear. and FURTHERMORE, blah blah blah. you get my point?

How about this, its not just microsofts job to control the language and the KIDS that play these games that are rated 17 and older , yea thats right , parents are just as responsible as microsoft is for not actually banning  kids when they (tk) team kill  or swear and get really raunchy , so what does reporting actually do ?? nothing in my opinion , microsoft will ban some one fast for code of conduct for a name or a motto then they would for anything online, seriously people are really out of control , been in plenty of multiplayer maps with actuall adult teams and things were great until some kid shows up to take a replacement spot ,  so to make a long story short , you all who are parent that have kids that play , why dont you monitor them just as much as you want to complain about ms ..

 CommanderLozano wrote:

You know, what I said? : "I don't care if the internet is America or not, I'm gonna have my freedom of speech." Duh, I'm saying that I will take my freedom THAT OUR FOREFATHERS FAUGHT FOR!!!!!111 anywhere I go be it another state or somewhere that is nowhere and everywhere at the same time.... underwear. and FURTHERMORE, blah blah blah. you get my point?

Sure thing, buddy.

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 crazeeseal wrote:

 Nien Numb wrote:

You better get a Sucrets for that cough, and a copy of the first amendment and re-read it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

I don't think I missed anything.

except maybe the several thousand pages of court opinions/case law/etc that's been added since.  freedom of speech does not cover anything abusive in nature, that could used to start violence, that impedes the gov. from doing it’s job, and more.  and it is not unconstitutional for a company to write by-laws establishing what you are and are not allowed to do within your rights when interacting with the company whether it’s a job you hold or in this case a code of conduct.  but hey, i guess ignorance really is bliss.

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 MO MOSS wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

"See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime."  

^^^^^^^^^^i agree 100%

 

But we as a Community can still want a better place.

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Hey MO, since you've asked me so many questions, can I pose one your way?  I'm not trying to start anything, just generally curious.  Why is it that if you post on here, it's fine but if I post then I must be bored?  You made that comment a couple of times.
Often online you'll hear somebody call someone else a nerd because they play too much or have a certain achievement.  I usually chime in by pointing out we're all on our couches at the same time, playing the same game and wearing the same nerd headset.  So really what sets us apart?

 ill be back and answer later, have a phone meeting.

I talked to my wife last night about htis thread, and i think im going to step back and move on. My wife bought up a good point, why im i debating with you at all, Im with Numb my best bet is to go to the head ( the powers that be).  You feel strong about something , but im not sure what it is.

To answer your question and this will be my last post in here:

I’m trying to understand your stance on this topic (for the record I’m done trying to understand you, see above^^^^^^^^^^^). 

 

 I look at it this way:

1)      You believe that no change is needed and Live is perfect?

2)      You’re bored and you just want to play devils advocate just for the fun of it?

 

There is no need to respond with the same old stuff you been saying for 3 pages, like I said before I'm going to the  higher powers. If we get Live cleaned up please come back and say THANKS.  I hope when your kids, friends and family get online it’s a safe place.

 

MO MOSS

 

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 MO MOSS wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

 MR MOJ0 R1SIN wrote:

 MO MOSS wrote:

"See this is what I don't get, is the constant state of denial that punishment is not being doled out.  The police are overworked everyday yet crime still exists.  You as an individual take steps to protect yourself.  You lock your doors, you don't walk down the alley with a sign saying "I carry cash", and you avoid certain neighbourhoods that you don't like.  Xbox live is the same way.  The monitors are working everyday but there are still going to be offenders.  You should take steps to protect yourself.  You can't punish someone until after they've committed a crime."  

^^^^^^^^^^i agree 100%

 

But we as a Community can still want a better place.

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Hey MO, since you've asked me so many questions, can I pose one your way?  I'm not trying to start anything, just generally curious.  Why is it that if you post on here, it's fine but if I post then I must be bored?  You made that comment a couple of times.
Often online you'll hear somebody call someone else a nerd because they play too much or have a certain achievement.  I usually chime in by pointing out we're all on our couches at the same time, playing the same game and wearing the same nerd headset.  So really what sets us apart?

 ill be back and answer later, have a phone meeting.

I talked to my wife last night about htis thread, and i think im going to step back and move on. My wife bought up a good point, why im i debating with you at all, Im with Numb my best bet is to go to the head ( the powers that be).  You feel strong about something , but im not sure what it is.

To answer your question and this will be my last post in here:

I’m trying to understand your stance on this topic (for the record I’m done trying to understand you, see above^^^^^^^^^^^). 

 

 I look at it this way:

1)      You believe that no change is needed and Live is perfect?

2)      You’re bored and you just want to play devils advocate just for the fun of it?

 

There is no need to respond with the same old stuff you been saying for 3 pages, like I said before I'm going to the  higher powers. If we get Live cleaned up please come back and say THANKS.  I hope when your kids, friends and family get online it’s a safe place.

 

MO MOSS

 

So basically your answer is no answer at all.  I'll go one step ahead and thank MS right now for the xbox live system.  I'll thank them for providing me an outlet to entertain myself and the options they've put in place that allow me to make the environment as safe as I feel need be.

I know you won't be back to read this but I'll just clarify your opinion of my role here

1) If you think anything can and will be perfect, then you are delusional.  I openly admitted that EVERYTHING can be improved from xbox live to my daily commute.  However when it comes to live, there is currently a harmony in place between complete freedom of expression and outright censorship.  There is no pleasing everyone, especially with millions of users.  Any swing towards one side or the other will have deeper ramifications so I'm happy with the way it is and choose not to make assumptions but rely on what I know.

2) I will say you post here because you're bored too.  I don't believe you're paid to post on these forums so it sure as heck isn't your job.  I'm also willing to bet that your post count far outweighs mine so you must be eternally bored.  This is a forum chief and we all have equal right to express our viewpoints.  Just because my viewpoint differs than yours, it doesn't simply mean that I'm bored.  Perhaps if you took the time to listen to people with different beliefs, you could truly understand the meaning of tolerance.

Good luck on your campaign.  I'll even provide a slogan for you:

"Changing the world through assumptions, extortion, and finger pointing "

 

i'll just say this real quick.  i don't think anyone here is looking for complete cencorship or freedom of expression.  i agree that both sides are a little extreme.  the things we're talking about here are or could be argued to be against the law.  using fowl language is one thing, using it in an abusive or violent manner is something completely different.  i know of a scenerio that will explain better maybe at least my standpoint.

 

you know why there is a national "do not call" list in america?  you can be put on this list so that telemarketers and such can not randomly call you.  it wasn't because telemarketers are annoying.  it's because it was ruled that people don't have anyway of knowing what they are about to here on the other end prior to picking up the telophone and hearing it.  so it's been determined that it invades privacy.  so that type of speech has been limited by the federal government.  in several respects, xbox live does the same thing.  it would be a much different situation if there was some kind of working indication (like gamerzones) that would at least give you an idea of what you're stepping into.  especially when the gov does it for something as light at telemarketing and on the other extreme we have xbl where you can jump strait into the complete other extreme, or recieve pictures or video.  and please don't anybody argue that you can turn all those options off, that would be like the gov telling people not to answer their telophone.  it's not a rational or plausable solution.

 

so no, we don't want to have happy little perfect censored land on xbl, but at the same time there's a lot, and i mean a lot of people getting away with stuff they shouldn't be getting away with.  it has only become worse since the start of xbl which leads us to assume the current system doesn't keep it in check.  i don't need numbers to prove that.  just join random games and start counting for yourself opposed to what we know of years past.  therefore something needs to change to bring balance back and make the system work. 

 

i hope this helps, i believe i'm going to move on from this topic now as well. good gaming.

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 MR402 wrote:

I guess I was just raised a bit different then some in this world.  My folks taught me to respect others no matter there background.  So of course this carries over to the way I treat others online. It seems that lately in multiplayer games the level of disrespect people give each other is at a all time high.   Especially the racism, to me it's out of hand.   I guess this is a rant folks.  This is the only forum I read mostly because of the maturity, and goodwill that I see folks give each other so I apologize because I know it's been said before. 

Back to the subject of the post.   I just cant believe that MS doesn't have a more aggressive stance against this?????   I'm actually talking about a dedicated team who trolls the multiplayer matchs, reports and bans these folks on the spot when this type of thing is going on.  Maybe it's impossible for any company to do that, but still if the threat was there that you could be banned for conduct at anytime, then I feel it would cut down on a lot of this completely. 

Am I crazy?  Should I just suck it up and continue to wade through the sea of trash because that's just the way it is?  Or do some of you folks agree with me?   Cause I sure am frustrated to be hooked on a great multiplayer game, cod4 I know I should expect it in the most popular online title right now, but lately have been having it up to here with the talk.  

Like I said I apologize for the same old stuff folks wish were different about online communities, but I had to vent a bit.  

Thanks for reading take it easy gamer parents. 

if you don't want to hear what people have to say change your privacy setting so you can only hear your friends....or no one..

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Privacy settings are there for a reason.

We're trying to cut down on the insults, and here we are, insulting each other.

Look, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but doesn't it seem like something's going wrong here?

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 SadistStalker wrote:

How about this, its not just microsofts job to control the language and the KIDS that play these games that are rated 17 and older , yea thats right , parents are just as responsible as microsoft is for not actually banning  kids when they (tk) team kill  or swear and get really raunchy , so what does reporting actually do ?? nothing in my opinion , microsoft will ban some one fast for code of conduct for a name or a motto then they would for anything online, seriously people are really out of control , been in plenty of multiplayer maps with actuall adult teams and things were great until some kid shows up to take a replacement spot ,  so to make a long story short , you all who are parent that have kids that play , why dont you monitor them just as much as you want to complain about ms ..

With that comment you are preaching to the choir.  We are here as a "gamer parents" group because we do just that: we monitor what our kids play and, as much as we can, what they do online.  Most of us have children old enough to at least play 360, many even old enough to play online.  We promote a parent's role in what and how their children play, so, unfortunately, with this group, that argument doesn't really apply.

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