death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

Well, I for one get annoyed that if you kill someone in a remote place, all the guards around Cyrodiil know. I mean, I don't mind killing somone in a house and having a chance that you might heard or found out or somthing, but even then, it should only be the guards in the town, not the whole place. But if I kill somone in a forest or mountain and there are no witnesses, then why does the whole world know? It's nearly impossible to comit murder and get away with it now. I hope they change this.

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

Well, I for one get annoyed that if you kill someone in a remote place, all the guards around Cyrodiil know. I mean, I don't mind killing somone in a house and having a chance that you might heard or found out or somthing, but even then, it should only be the guards in the town, not the whole place. But if I kill somone in a forest or mountain and there are no witnesses, then why does the whole world know? It's nearly impossible to comit murder and get away with it now. I hope they change this.

 zebatov wrote:

 Charon 711 wrote:

 zebatov wrote:

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You only quoted the portion of my post that you wanted to quote. Requote me and try again. Btw, if you kill someone in the woods and a certain town's guards goes after you for it, unfortunately, someone saw you make the kill. Just the other day I brought a guard out into the woods because someone was after me and I didn't want to level anything else up. So I needed to get a guard to attack and kill him. So I did. Then I saved it and killed the guard. I ran into the town like this and had no problems with any of the guards. You have bad luck, my friend. In real life, if you commit a crime bad enough, they put out an APB on your quantum singularity. Believe me, it's fairly realistic. In those days, stealing was as bad as killing is now. Killing was the devil.

In this game if there are witnesses you can hear them yelling. If they end up dead and you're the only one around when a guard shows up, or the only one in the area and they find you later, they're obviously going to put it on you. It's quite realistic.

The only thing I have a problem with is if you're in the shadows high up on a roof sniping with a bow and they can somehow pin-point where you were shooting from immediately. Then when you dip into an alley and run out of the town unnoticed they can still find you. That aspect bothers me. Everything else is fine.

yeah i only quoted that part because that was the only part that i wanted to make a point on.... "Btw, if you kill someone in the woods and a certain town's guards goes after you for it, unfortunately, someone saw you make the kill." and plz corect me if my logic is misguided but if i shoot a ranger in the woods with my bow while in stealth mode and i kill him with one shot and my aimer, which is see thru while in stealth mode until i am detected, remains see thru untill i enter a town then doesnt that mean i was undetected from before my arrow flew until a town guard runs up on me at the city gates and busts me??? and to be undetected means that no one knew  i was there right?? and yes i know killing is considerd a high crime in the game but for the guards to run up and bust me then there should have been some chance that i was seen... this is only plausible in a town and if i slip up and the person doesnt die on the first strike and screams... if that hapend then i wouldnt be surprised if a guard ran in, or met me on the street outside the house, and busted me... but for me to remain undetected and get busted for seemingly no reason after i have been wandering the town streets aimlessly for the last 3 game hours does not make any since in the least... and no i am not dumb enough to stick around the body after i kill them so the guard can run up and put 2 and 2 together.... for enstance i killed a town begger on a empty part of town... i was in stealth mode and at no point was i detected.... i walked on the other side of town and was about to go into a shop and hear comes mr phycic guard!!!!!! WTF!!!!

 Charon 711 wrote:

 zebatov wrote:

 Charon 711 wrote:

 zebatov wrote:

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You only quoted the portion of my post that you wanted to quote. Requote me and try again. Btw, if you kill someone in the woods and a certain town's guards goes after you for it, unfortunately, someone saw you make the kill. Just the other day I brought a guard out into the woods because someone was after me and I didn't want to level anything else up. So I needed to get a guard to attack and kill him. So I did. Then I saved it and killed the guard. I ran into the town like this and had no problems with any of the guards. You have bad luck, my friend. In real life, if you commit a crime bad enough, they put out an APB on your quantum singularity. Believe me, it's fairly realistic. In those days, stealing was as bad as killing is now. Killing was the devil.

In this game if there are witnesses you can hear them yelling. If they end up dead and you're the only one around when a guard shows up, or the only one in the area and they find you later, they're obviously going to put it on you. It's quite realistic.

The only thing I have a problem with is if you're in the shadows high up on a roof sniping with a bow and they can somehow pin-point where you were shooting from immediately. Then when you dip into an alley and run out of the town unnoticed they can still find you. That aspect bothers me. Everything else is fine.

yeah i only quoted that part because that was the only part that i wanted to make a point on.... "Btw, if you kill someone in the woods and a certain town's guards goes after you for it, unfortunately, someone saw you make the kill." and plz corect me if my logic is misguided but if i shoot a ranger in the woods with my bow while in stealth mode and i kill him with one shot and my aimer, which is see thru while in stealth mode until i am detected, remains see thru untill i enter a town then doesnt that mean i was undetected from before my arrow flew until a town guard runs up on me at the city gates and busts me??? and to be undetected means that no one knew  i was there right?? and yes i know killing is considerd a high crime in the game but for the guards to run up and bust me then there should have been some chance that i was seen... this is only plausible in a town and if i slip up and the person doesnt die on the first strike and screams... if that hapend then i wouldnt be surprised if a guard ran in, or met me on the street outside the house, and busted me... but for me to remain undetected and get busted for seemingly no reason after i have been wandering the town streets aimlessly for the last 3 game hours does not make any since in the least... and no i am not dumb enough to stick around the body after i kill them so the guard can run up and put 2 and 2 together.... for enstance i killed a town begger on a empty part of town... i was in stealth mode and at no point was i detected.... i walked on the other side of town and was about to go into a shop and hear comes mr phycic guard!!!!!! WTF!!!!

 BlindHitman10 wrote:

I came accross two imperial bowmen trying to kill each other just the other day myself. There were a couple of dead dear nearby so I can only guess that one bowman had accidently hit the other thus starting the fight.

 zebatov wrote:

for enstance i killed a town begger on a empty part of town... i was in stealth mode and at no point was i detected.... i walked on the other side of town and was about to go into a shop and hear comes mr phycic guard!!!!!! WTF!!!!

Hackss!!!11

No seriously, a guard probably found the body and then blamed it on you. Did he die in one hit?

 Charon 711 wrote:

did oblivion spawn a CSI unit when i wasnt paying atention and they used pherensic sciences and found a microscopic wool string that matches the fibers on my characters shirt on the vic???

 death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

Its a messed up system... I mean, when i kill a guy and i am undetected I sometimes get away with it (Believe me i dont have a goddamn clue why either) yet if i talk to a guard they'll run the arrest dialogue. WTF?

 Wastelander08 wrote:

Its a messed up system... I mean, when i kill a guy and i am undetected I sometimes get away with it (Believe me i dont have a goddamn clue why either) yet if i talk to a guard they'll run the arrest dialogue. WTF?

 death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

 elpeligro13 wrote:

You can't reproduce from a neck massage.

 spartan dude wrote:

how about a much darker story and general atmosphere

 spartan dude wrote:

kinda like warhammer

 OldPepsiMan wrote:

the whole secret is more Pepsi and less booze.

 hehe shabutie wrote:

I like the Warhammer universes, however I don't think they'd do well with TES


For the darker story/atmosphere... I dunno how I'd feel about it.  TES is all about freedom and balance between good and evil (Note: Not like Fable, The story just has a general neutrality to it).


Implementing a Good/Evil system would be really cool, but it has yet to make a major break through in terms of effecting actual gameplay.  Fable, the Bioware games, and Fallout 3 have it, but it doesn't do much to the actual story aside from selected cutscreens.

Personally, I don't think it will happen this console generation, but probably sometime in the next one, where games will be able to effectively use a Good/Evil system.


*Waits as patiently as possible ^_^*

 death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

 Charon 711 wrote:

i really cant wait for a true good evil system.... i'm thinking maybe dragon age will get pretty close to it but that is still to be unseen... i would also like to be treated acording to my alignment... not in a shalow since as fable does  by people running from me and screamin but in an more indepth style... like if i am a suspected mass murderer people should avoid me... shop owners could posibly refuse to sell me there goods with the classic line "we dont serve ur kind here"... people could group together and try to atack me... sneak into my inn and kill me in my sleep... i think this could also add to a darker game invironment.... if ur good bad people will treat u like the plague knowing u could do them in... they could possibly also try to kill u if u become to renown and they fell ur a threat to them

 Wastelander08 wrote:

That would be cool. but they'd have to implement it in moderation, i mean you dont want a good twenty people attacking you every night when u try to sleep, just being occasionally jumped in an alley. This would work well if he guards didnt react to every goddamn thing that happens to you. Also maybe you should be able to report crimes. This could be good in assassin/theives guild missions where a diversion is required.

of course it would have to be in moderation.... otherwise it would be as repetive as every bandit wearing full daedric trying to mug me.... i think their numbers could be determined by ur lvl and ur renown.... u could wake up in bed and have 2 people trying to kill u at an early lvl or at higher lvls wake up and the room be packed with people with swords and tourches staring u down... and it shouldnt happen often eather... like have a 2-7% chance of it happining if u sleep in a inn... also would be cool to have oposing factions involved in this... like if ur an imperial legion and have been hunting down the DBH u could wake up in ur house and have a assassin or 2 sneaking into ur room.... or if ur in the fighters guild u could be walking down a street and some black wood company thugs step out in front of u and atempt to break some of ur bones... stuff like that could be implimented at a low % chance rate or at key stages of questlines... or both

 Taldarin wrote:

 spartan dude wrote:

how about a much darker story and general atmosphere

Yes.

 spartan dude wrote:

kinda like warhammer

No.

 elpeligro13 wrote:

You can't reproduce from a neck massage.

 spartan dude wrote:

 Taldarin wrote:

 spartan dude wrote:

how about a much darker story and general atmosphere

Yes.

 spartan dude wrote:

kinda like warhammer

No.

i wasnt saying it should be warhamer, i was giving an example of another dark high fantasy setting

 OldPepsiMan wrote:

the whole secret is more Pepsi and less booze.

 Charon 711 wrote:

 Wastelander08 wrote:

That would be cool. but they'd have to implement it in moderation, i mean you dont want a good twenty people attacking you every night when u try to sleep, just being occasionally jumped in an alley. This would work well if he guards didnt react to every goddamn thing that happens to you. Also maybe you should be able to report crimes. This could be good in assassin/theives guild missions where a diversion is required.

of course it would have to be in moderation.... otherwise it would be as repetive as every bandit wearing full daedric trying to mug me.... i think their numbers could be determined by ur lvl and ur renown.... u could wake up in bed and have 2 people trying to kill u at an early lvl or at higher lvls wake up and the room be packed with people with swords and tourches staring u down... and it shouldnt happen often eather... like have a 2-7% chance of it happining if u sleep in a inn... also would be cool to have oposing factions involved in this... like if ur an imperial legion and have been hunting down the DBH u could wake up in ur house and have a assassin or 2 sneaking into ur room.... or if ur in the fighters guild u could be walking down a street and some black wood company thugs step out in front of u and atempt to break some of ur bones... stuff like that could be implimented at a low % chance rate or at key stages of questlines... or both

 Wastelander08 wrote:

 Charon 711 wrote:

 Wastelander08 wrote:

That would be cool. but they'd have to implement it in moderation, i mean you dont want a good twenty people attacking you every night when u try to sleep, just being occasionally jumped in an alley. This would work well if he guards didnt react to every goddamn thing that happens to you. Also maybe you should be able to report crimes. This could be good in assassin/theives guild missions where a diversion is required.

of course it would have to be in moderation.... otherwise it would be as repetive as every bandit wearing full daedric trying to mug me.... i think their numbers could be determined by ur lvl and ur renown.... u could wake up in bed and have 2 people trying to kill u at an early lvl or at higher lvls wake up and the room be packed with people with swords and tourches staring u down... and it shouldnt happen often eather... like have a 2-7% chance of it happining if u sleep in a inn... also would be cool to have oposing factions involved in this... like if ur an imperial legion and have been hunting down the DBH u could wake up in ur house and have a assassin or 2 sneaking into ur room.... or if ur in the fighters guild u could be walking down a street and some black wood company thugs step out in front of u and atempt to break some of ur bones... stuff like that could be implimented at a low % chance rate or at key stages of questlines... or both

Sounds good althoug i dont think the room should be filled with people with swords and pitchforks. Unless that was an exageration.

 FireproofGalaxy wrote:

Perdipt/FireproofGalaxy's Wants: I want spears back! I want finishers. I want to be able to fly. I want an underwater world. This will be my last post for a long time in the Oblivion forums as I need a break from all of this. See you guys around the forums!!!

 death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

 Charon 711 wrote:

or if ur good.... like no ties to the dbh or any other "evil" guilds.... they could atack u at random.... be walking down a road between towns and they about 5-20 dbh assassins come puring out of the forest after u.... i think the game should keep up with ur lvl but not lvl everything to u... that way if it needed a chalange to give u it could sumon big groups of people or monster for u to fight if they were a lower lvl than u

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

 FireproofGalaxy wrote:

Perdipt/FireproofGalaxy's Wants: I want spears back! I want finishers. I want to be able to fly. I want an underwater world. This will be my last post for a long time in the Oblivion forums as I need a break from all of this. See you guys around the forums!!!

"And the mad wizard falls! Saves me the trouble." Montaron on Xzar's death. Baldur's Gate.

 OldPepsiMan wrote:

the whole secret is more Pepsi and less booze.

 Taldarin wrote:

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

 FireproofGalaxy wrote:

Perdipt/FireproofGalaxy's Wants: I want spears back! I want finishers. I want to be able to fly. I want an underwater world. This will be my last post for a long time in the Oblivion forums as I need a break from all of this. See you guys around the forums!!!

"And the mad wizard falls! Saves me the trouble." Montaron on Xzar's death. Baldur's Gate.

Speaking of BG I love Viconia DeVir, I'm quite happy there's a mod that brings her into Oblivion.

Yeah, some actual followers in TES V would be nice I suppose.

 death knowz wrote:

Looks like Mike has his own personal fanboy.

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

 Taldarin wrote:

 XBox360 Paladin wrote:

 FireproofGalaxy wrote:

Perdipt/FireproofGalaxy's Wants: I want spears back! I want finishers. I want to be able to fly. I want an underwater world. This will be my last post for a long time in the Oblivion forums as I need a break from all of this. See you guys around the forums!!!

"And the mad wizard falls! Saves me the trouble." Montaron on Xzar's death. Baldur's Gate.

Speaking of BG I love Viconia DeVir, I'm quite happy there's a mod that brings her into Oblivion.

Yeah, some actual followers in TES V would be nice I suppose.

Well, you already have some like once you become the leaders of the guilds.

 OldPepsiMan wrote:

the whole secret is more Pepsi and less booze.