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Started by VampireChampion at 11-16-2006 7:42 AM. Topic has 21 replies.
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   11-16-2006, 7:42 AM
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Is it just me or is Defender really hard?
I keep getting killed all the time, and the difficutly is on the default setting

i can barely get to the 2nd level with 0 lives left

it just seems really hard with the enemies
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   11-16-2006, 5:33 PM
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It's always been a pretty tough game, I'm glad they kept it that way.
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   11-16-2006, 6:10 PM
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It is pretty hard. I have no clue how I made it to 18,000 points last night, but I'll take it. I find wave 3 insanely hard. I i find it easier to play this game with the classic graphics because it's easier to see the things coming at you.
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   11-16-2006, 9:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't remember it being this hard ... I'll give the classic graphics a try ...
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   11-16-2006, 10:16 PM
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Its harder than any other version.  The inherent problem I've seen with most retro arcade titles is that they don't adjust the timing.  Defender runs at a much higher speed than it did in the stand up arcade units or previous gaming systems it was on.  I noticed Gauntlet was the same way.
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   11-16-2006, 11:20 PM
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 Maytrix wrote:
Its harder than any other version.  The inherent problem I've seen with most retro arcade titles is that they don't adjust the timing.  Defender runs at a much higher speed than it did in the stand up arcade units or previous gaming systems it was on.  I noticed Gauntlet was the same way.

 

Are you sure?  It seems to run at exactly the same speed to me.  It was always a game of fast reactions.

 

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   11-16-2006, 11:31 PM
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I think it was always pretty hard if I remember.

I hate to say it but those of us that remember it 1st time round are perhaps, erm, slowing up a little in our reactions?

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   11-17-2006, 8:27 AM
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Game was insanely hard in the arcade, but i loved the sound effects in it so i kept coming back occasionally. will get this game today probably, if it plucks the nostalgia nerve.
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   11-18-2006, 5:43 AM
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 Piper999 wrote:

 Maytrix wrote:
Its harder than any other version.  The inherent problem I've seen with most retro arcade titles is that they don't adjust the timing.  Defender runs at a much higher speed than it did in the stand up arcade units or previous gaming systems it was on.  I noticed Gauntlet was the same way.

 

Are you sure?  It seems to run at exactly the same speed to me.  It was always a game of fast reactions.

 

I'm pretty sure.  Gauntlet is the same way.


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   11-18-2006, 5:54 PM
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Defender was always a hard game but this version definitely seems harder than usual, something that's compounded by the bad controls.

 

I honestly wonder what the people who develop these games were thinking when they decide to release these games with difficulty levels like this.

 

Back in the day, the reason why games like Defender were so hard was simply to make sure your game ended after a few minutes so you'd feed another coin into the machine. It wasn't until the "buy in" option appeared in Gauntlet that there was any other realistic alternative to this strategy for reaping coinage.

Nowadays, on a console there's just no need for it. And it's putting many gamers off buying these old titles.

We're supposed to enjoy these games. Part of the enjoyment in gaming is that feeling of progression you get as you play. You get so far into a game before you die. You feel like you're actually getting somewhere.

With Defender, Robotron etc the difficulty curve is too steep for many players, especially the newer generations of gamers. I grew up with these games so I'm used to it. Others I've spoken to have said that just as you're getting into the game, it's over. Because of the high difficulty.

A better set up would have been three sets of leaderboards, one for each difficulty at easy, medium or hard.

I wouldn't have used the terms "easy", "medium" or "hard" either. I'd have used "Casual", "Advanced" and "Hardcore".

It would have allowed players to compete on a leaderboard that more suited how much they want to put into the game.


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   11-18-2006, 6:32 PM
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I am an old school gamer and Defender isn't a real tough game when you get the basic strategy down, BUT controlling it on the 360 is freakin' HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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   11-20-2006, 6:47 AM
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 Super Fafa wrote:
I am an old school gamer and Defender isn't a real tough game when you get the basic strategy down, BUT controlling it on the 360 is freakin' HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Totally agree. I could stay alive for quite awhile on the original.  I am getting old but not THAT old.  My reactions to EVERYTHING else are still dzamn good.

This game is sick hard either from the controls or something..not quite sure but it has done nothing but tick me off.
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   11-24-2006, 3:34 PM
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 seven sayz wrote:
 Super Fafa wrote:
I am an old school gamer and Defender isn't a real tough game when you get the basic strategy down, BUT controlling it on the 360 is freakin' HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Totally agree. I could stay alive for quite awhile on the original.  I am getting old but not THAT old.  My reactions to EVERYTHING else are still dzamn good.

This game is sick hard either from the controls or something..not quite sure but it has done nothing but tick me off.

...I'm with ya bro...I have been THIS close to throwing my controller across the room, not because Defender is hard, but because the crappy controls on the 360 controller make death a regular occurance due to unintentional movements, reverses, etc...

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   11-24-2006, 8:40 PM
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 Snap Throw wrote:
Yeah, I don't remember it being this hard ... I'll give the classic graphics a try ...

 

I'm having a tough time with the difficulty of the XBLA version...  Sad [:(]  Not really sure why, guess I just need more practice.

How do you select the classic vs. enhanced graphics ??


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   11-29-2006, 7:28 PM
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 Weird Karma wrote:

Defender was always a hard game but this version definitely seems harder than usual, something that's compounded by the bad controls.

 

I have to second Karma.  I played an absurd amount of defender back in the day.  It was "my game".  This version is much harder both because of the speed of the game and the controls.

 

For instance, it was common practice among hard core defender junkies to use the first wave simply to capture all ten men before ending the wave so you'd get past 10k on it.  I've had to abandon that technique.  In addition it's nearly impossible to get through the second wave without loosing a life.  On the arcade version I wouldn't typically loose a life until around 40 to 50k score.  On this version it's incredibly difficult to even get to 50k.

 

I don't mind that it's a little harder since the attraction to playing for hours on end like I did back then isn't there.

 

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   11-30-2006, 12:05 AM
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 Super Fafa wrote:

 seven sayz wrote:
 Super Fafa wrote:
I am an old school gamer and Defender isn't a real tough game when you get the basic strategy down, BUT controlling it on the 360 is freakin' HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Totally agree. I could stay alive for quite awhile on the original.  I am getting old but not THAT old.  My reactions to EVERYTHING else are still dzamn good.

This game is sick hard either from the controls or something..not quite sure but it has done nothing but tick me off.

...I'm with ya bro...I have been THIS close to throwing my controller across the room, not because Defender is hard, but because the crappy controls on the 360 controller make death a regular occurance due to unintentional movements, reverses, etc...


Me too--I don't have the full version (just the trial) but there's no way I would be able to fully master Defender using the 360 controller; trust me, it ain't because I don't know how to play Defender or anything like that--back in the day, I became pretty good at it (on default settings--I've played on a few machines where I could definitely tell that the difficulty settings had been jacked up pretty high) to the point where the only way my game would end was if I voluntarily ended it...otherwise I could keep playing until I either couldn't keep myself awake, or got kicked out for hogging the machine.
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   11-30-2006, 7:34 PM
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Joystick my friend :)
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   12-28-2006, 3:46 AM
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 Maytrix wrote:
Its harder than any other version.  The inherent problem I've seen with most retro arcade titles is that they don't adjust the timing.  Defender runs at a much higher speed than it did in the stand up arcade units or previous gaming systems it was on.  I noticed Gauntlet was the same way.


I noticed Joust (sp?) was significantly harder mainly due to the speed increase... I could get pretty far back in the day, but now I can barely get to the first egg wave.. without dieing a few times...
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   03-29-2007, 8:20 PM
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I know it's late, but...

I own a Defender, thought it would be a slam dunk, and this game is harder than the default level of the arcade game.  Much harder.  I can barely make it to level 5 on the 360 game, and have a lame score.  I can easily get 70,000 on the arcade game, like almost every game, I can barely get 15,000 in this version.

 

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   10-07-2008, 12:30 PM
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After playing this on 360, I have played ALL console versions of this classic and I know it will shock a few of you but the Atari Jaguar version is the best and most accurate translation.

I know, scary isn't it?


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   12-27-2008, 2:20 AM
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 Alcoholic Rug wrote:

I know it's late, but...

I own a Defender, thought it would be a slam dunk, and this game is harder than the default level of the arcade game.  Much harder.  I can barely make it to level 5 on the 360 game, and have a lame score.  I can easily get 70,000 on the arcade game, like almost every game, I can barely get 15,000 in this version.


Back in the day, I ruled on Defender in the arcade.  This version seems harder and the HORRIBLE controls really compound the issue.  I got 37k on this the other day and jumped for joy.  Then I went online and checked the leaderboard...and cried.  What are these people's secrets, that have 100's of thousands?
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   01-19-2009, 11:05 PM
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 Malholio wrote:
 Alcoholic Rug wrote:

I know it's late, but...

I own a Defender, thought it would be a slam dunk, and this game is harder than the default level of the arcade game.  Much harder.  I can barely make it to level 5 on the 360 game, and have a lame score.  I can easily get 70,000 on the arcade game, like almost every game, I can barely get 15,000 in this version.


Back in the day, I ruled on Defender in the arcade.  This version seems harder and the HORRIBLE controls really compound the issue.  I got 37k on this the other day and jumped for joy.  Then I went online and checked the leaderboard...and cried.  What are these people's secrets, that have 100's of thousands?



I own the arcade game. I am 8th right now on leaderboards.

 The secret is to get those suckey controlls down. Set it to classic graphics AND controlls, And it becomes alot better, Although it still sucks.


 This version is ALOT faster, And screen resolution is also a problem for me, Since it's less acurate on telling how far away stuff is.

 Plus, You move up and down a LOT slower. Making it allmost impossible to live when you have 1 guy.
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