MR402 wrote:

I guess I was just raised a bit different then some in this world.  My folks taught me to respect others no matter there background.  So of course this carries over to the way I treat others online. It seems that lately in multiplayer games the level of disrespect people give each other is at a all time high.   Especially the racism, to me it's out of hand.   I guess this is a rant folks.  This is the only forum I read mostly because of the maturity, and goodwill that I see folks give each other so I apologize because I know it's been said before. 

Back to the subject of the post.   I just cant believe that MS doesn't have a more aggressive stance against this?????   I'm actually talking about a dedicated team who trolls the multiplayer matchs, reports and bans these folks on the spot when this type of thing is going on.  Maybe it's impossible for any company to do that, but still if the threat was there that you could be banned for conduct at anytime, then I feel it would cut down on a lot of this completely. 

Am I crazy?  Should I just suck it up and continue to wade through the sea of trash because that's just the way it is?  Or do some of you folks agree with me?   Cause I sure am frustrated to be hooked on a great multiplayer game, cod4 I know I should expect it in the most popular online title right now, but lately have been having it up to here with the talk.  

Like I said I apologize for the same old stuff folks wish were different about online communities, but I had to vent a bit.  

Thanks for reading take it easy gamer parents. 

Microsoft does do something about this, they have provided tools to enable players to mute others, and a feedback option which also reports unacceptable behavior. The problem is nobody wants to use the tools available. The tools works great, but only if people use them. I also recommend creating a good friends list that is filled with people you enjoy playing with.

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 FatalFlaw810 wrote:

 HAYRON wrote:

I agree with you 100% I don't mind a little bit of it, but excessive use of language, (people curse in the real world, so you can't get them for mild use), will get them muted, blocked, and a negative feedback from me.

But the instant they start dropping slurs, in a hateful manner, like the big "N", I immediately file a complaint. Now if it's one buddy to another, just chatting, I don't usually do that, because that is just their language, but if I can plainly tell they are being rotten, then I do.

Microsoft can only do so much, though, and it's up to the community to help them out. That is why the tools are there.

I agree

I also agree.

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I find that some gamers can be some of the rudest, harshest and overall nastiest people on the face of the earth!  Of course, there are your many exceptions and people that you feel right at home with (even though you don't know them).
However, let me share some stories with you about some occurences that have caught my eye in the past.-

[Please note: This is "gaming" in general - NOT just XBox].

1) One of my friends once played on-line with someone who was eager to play a game of theirs. My friend had responded to a message asking people if they would please go on-line and play against him. I don't think anyone would though (it was a pretty bad game). My friend felt sorry for this guy - and seeing as no-one would play against him actually decided to go on-line and play the game with him (even though he also hated the game). At first the guy was really appreciative and thanked him. So they matched wits - with my friend hating every minute of it, but just playing to keep the other dude happy.
A few days later this guy was back asking people once again to play the game against him. My friend had work commitments and stuff, and just an overall busy week - so didn't have the time to play the game again. However, somehow this guy had found out my friend's User ID (even though he said he had kept it private) - and started abusing him through the forums and annoying him on-line - saying that he would only quit when my friend played him again.
My friend basically just keeps away from player's requests or being helpful on-line now.

2) I saw a message that someone had once written on the forums. It was a legitimate software question and relevant to some other topics previously brought up (it wasn't offensive / rude / stupid) so I was shocked with the replies they received back! Some people went as far as to call him demented, dumb and a total waste of space - while other people ganged up on him or others just went too far! I had been using the forum for a while, so had read through some other posts that this person had previously written. I saw that he had been very helpful to other posters in the past. He had even helped others to fix problems with their games and systems! I thought it was shocking that people could simply just talk like that to him - especially after he had been so helpful to the others.

One of my friends actually has a disability and people have really laid into him in the past! When I tell them off for picking on him they usually say "oh sorry man - I didn't know". I mean - what's the difference? You shouldn't just generally go around picking on others that you don't even know! Some people who are abused are really nice, but can't help the way that they act - why should they have to suffer at the hands of some complete stranger who gets a "thrill" or a "kick" out of it, just because the other one is different?

I actually don't think that some posters even contemplate what they are writing most of the time. They think that just because they are behind a computer screen - and not talking face-to-face with someone that they can say whatever they feel like and get away with it! That is one of the biggest problems with computers.
Of course there are many nice people out there - but there are also many others who just want to spoil someone's fun or verbally abuse people because they think that they will always get away with it.

True certain gamers are quite mean however what can Microsoft do. They have a report system however it is frequently abused by people when they lose a match who false report others. The internet gives people an alternate ego and causes many people who would normally not be mean in real life to be sadistic and mean in game. The only real way to stop this would be to monitor all messages and chat with a general filter however this is not a viable solution either as not all people are offended by offensive language and enjoy talking that way around there friends. Though I understand your problem my best recommendation would be to grow some thicker skin and ignore it because people will almost always stop attacking you or others if they see it does not insight a reaction.

I found a way to get something done about the porno pics and camera use and vulgar language.my husband contacted xbox live and lodged a huge complaint.we have a case number,i am turning over to them gamer tags and witnesses and was told that threir IP addy would be banned or can be worse.when you file the complaint write down the gamer tag and maybe a witness then contact xbox live and get serious.my daughter seen enough and my younger kids..i am dead set that these freakin pervs get off xbox live

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 Reapers Lil Sis wrote:

I found a way to get something done about the porno pics and camera use and vulgar language.my husband contacted xbox live and lodged a huge complaint.we have a case number,i am turning over to them gamer tags and witnesses and was told that threir IP addy would be banned or can be worse.when you file the complaint write down the gamer tag and maybe a witness then contact xbox live and get serious.my daughter seen enough and my younger kids..i am dead set that these freakin pervs get off xbox live

It can be bad but remember there will always be jerks. Best is if you use parental controls when you let your kids play.

I ain't a parent but I'll admit, some of the things people say on XBL is not needed. I play alot of CoD4.. and most of the players are kids.. some of em speak their minds... to freely. So, I now just mute everyone.. I aint gonna listen to the crap everyone talks or says..

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Would you kindly?

I've been in mp games where the kids are cursing up a storm. I just mute them and report them. I don't want to hear kids screaming and cursing.

Well they cannot go around and ban everybody that drops an N bomb or anything like that because being racist isn't illegal. And you choose which gaming community you belong too when you set-up your system...Underground, Pro, Family, etc...It's disrespectful and not mature. Most also live in America where you can freely say anything.

 KungFuJesus187 wrote:

Well they cannot go around and ban everybody that drops an N bomb or anything like that because being racist isn't illegal. And you choose which gaming community you belong too when you set-up your system...Underground, Pro, Family, etc...It's disrespectful and not mature. Most also live in America where you can freely say anything.

Even those whom live in America has to follow the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct of Live. Also the freedom of speech is not protected on Live since it is a worldwide service not a US only service. So read the ToU and CoC before you comment.

Also, if you can freely say anything then why does people get mad and want to sue or attack someone when a stereotypical comment is made. Please educate yourself before stating something.

Another thing is that when you signup for an online service you must agree to abide by the ToU and CoC.

By the way your freedom of speech is not protected on Amtrak either.

Plus just because you chose underground does not mean you can curse or be offensive. Underground, Pro, Family, etc are gamer classification not gaming community. Xbox Live is a gaming community.

The best thing to do, is if you're in a match with some good people, ask to add them as a friend. Some will say yes, but worst case, some say no. If you have a friends list with enough good people in it, you should have no problems finding good people to play with.

My friends list is quite small, but another friend of mine never has to search for games because he has enough friends on his list that he can usually jump in and play something with them. If enough people do this same thing, eventually you can weed out most of the shouters and poor sports.

Ninety eight percent that's 98 percent of the world are immature, or unintelligent (unintelligent doesn't mean dumb so hold your horses) this is the vast majority of the world and indeed totals into the billions range, and far beyond it, BUT... it leaves millions of people that are still mature and intelligent.

We can't change this, as we don't have the power, and the majority would certainly beat out this minority we have... BUT we can set an example, and so while they may not be mature or intelligent, we can be.

The fact is that there are more than 20 million gold subscribers. With that said, not everyone is going to get along or be kind to others which is why MS gave us options. If you don't like what someone is saying then mute them and/or submit a negative player review. It is you're choice to use these options.

 MR402 wrote:

I guess I was just raised a bit different then some in this world.  My folks taught me to respect others no matter there background.  So of course this carries over to the way I treat others online. It seems that lately in multiplayer games the level of disrespect people give each other is at a all time high.   Especially the racism, to me it's out of hand.   I guess this is a rant folks.  This is the only forum I read mostly because of the maturity, and goodwill that I see folks give each other so I apologize because I know it's been said before. 

Back to the subject of the post.   I just cant believe that MS doesn't have a more aggressive stance against this?????   I'm actually talking about a dedicated team who trolls the multiplayer matchs, reports and bans these folks on the spot when this type of thing is going on.  Maybe it's impossible for any company to do that, but still if the threat was there that you could be banned for conduct at anytime, then I feel it would cut down on a lot of this completely. 

Am I crazy?  Should I just suck it up and continue to wade through the sea of trash because that's just the way it is?  Or do some of you folks agree with me?   Cause I sure am frustrated to be hooked on a great multiplayer game, cod4 I know I should expect it in the most popular online title right now, but lately have been having it up to here with the talk.  

Like I said I apologize for the same old stuff folks wish were different about online communities, but I had to vent a bit.  

Thanks for reading take it easy gamer parents. 

It is what you say just a high level of immaturity ive never met anyone 20+ who i have a problem with, Me being Irish i get alot of stick from the English "Pikey" is the norm, I can't speak usually to them repeating my words mocking me but by the sound of there voice there ages may very from 8-14 i dont usually get bothered by anyone higer than that

I Agree more should be done.

Age DOES NOT equal maturity and never will, and I've met HUNDREDS of immature adults and teenagers who use vulgarities, act stupid, and pretty much are just immature, and they are all on Xbox Live, you may not have, but I have.

In truth I find the younger people to be MUCH LESS immature than the older ones.

The conflict is more or less an inherent part of the Multiplayer xbox experience. Smack talking is a pretty normal part of competitive activities, though I certainly understand the frustration. For example, whenever I win a game of halo, I can count on derogatory comments. Conversely, I swear fast and freely when I play games, though I don't participate in racist or homophobic talk. There are two factors KEY in getting the most out of online play in general:

1) The Xbox Live Party System
Add friends liberally, so that you'll have someone to play with and talk to regardless of the game you are playing. You don't have to hear the riff raff, and you get to enjoy a game with like minded folk in the party system.

2) Parental Controls
Easily the most underutilized part of the Xbox 360. When My son is around, I have to route game chat into my headset so he doesn't learn any new words. I wish some of the parents of those children would step up a little bit, if they are going to say filthy things amongst themselves that is one thing but saying them around other children is quite another. If your kids play, have a talk with them about respect. Conversely, I think vulgarities are to be expected to a certain extent in online gaming. You can't do much to curb it, so be proactive.

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You can do a lot actually, like teaching your children and advising your friends what said terms really mean, so they'll look at them as silly to use, and you can also teach them how to be mature, intelligent, and act in a proper and conducive to intelligent society manner.

I have never needed to nor used a vulgarity in my life and the reason is I find them silly, I know the definitions, and they are immature, insulting, and pretty stupid, especially when you can get your point across much better with the plethora of words each language has.

In addition I can not bring myself to accept those that use them on a regular basis, nor those that have no problem with them.

Better systems to use would be the File Complaint option which when properly used almost always results in at least a suspension of the target account, and of course negative rep and avoiding said players, as well as in severe cases, contacting Microsoft and reporting unruly and awful players, using the GamerZones does also help to a certain degree as well.

You'll find that people who use swear words regularly and don't mind such language find being looked down on for it as off putting as you find the swearing. If teaching your child not to swear was as simple as showing them it makes them seem less educated or brutish, than swearing wouldn't be so widespread. Certainly there are more accurate descriptors than swear words, but if they offend you, I certainly agree with the file complaint option or muting the player.

However, I disagree with marginalizing a whole group of gamers based on their lexicon(and can't bring myself to accept those that do), as it's all about intent. If someone is displaying condescension, aggressive, or intentionally aggravating behavior, it's wrong regardless of that user's particular syntax.

 I don't swear around children, even if they are swearing themselves. I don't force my values in that area on anyone, and applaud those who just mute and carry on rather than let such things bother them.

The problem with the negative rep system is that foulmouthed,mean-spirited folks use it as much if not more than gamers legitimately trying to just play without boorish behavior. I don't even want to know how much of my negative feedback came from asking someone to settle down. I realize saying that to a griefer doesn't work, but at times a worked up kid will actually settle down if reasoned with a bit.

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I totally agree with you. I'm sick and tired of guys telling me to get in the kitchen and "Girls don't play Halo!". Seems like every time I play it only gets worse. Everyone keeps telling me to just let it go it's xbox live, but seriously? Why do I have to sit here and listen to grown men tell me to get back where I belong?

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 Harley C Quinn wrote:

I totally agree with you. I'm sick and tired of guys telling me to get in the kitchen and "Girls don't play Halo!". Seems like every time I play it only gets worse. Everyone keeps telling me to just let it go it's xbox live, but seriously? Why do I have to sit here and listen to grown men tell me to get back where I belong?

First off, it is not all guys that do that just the jerk offs who need to get a life.

Also you don't have to listen to it. You can mute them and set them as an avoided player as well as report them.

Remember you can make your live experience pleasurable as well if you do your part.

Darn system did a dp.

I know how it feels to join a foul mouth multiplayer/co-op game on live .It's bogus and these people feed on you getting annoyed or when you leave cause of their rude behavior. Don't you feed these childish pathetic parasites. Instead of getting pissed just file a complain and avoid the player. Another option is to just mute the player or unplug you headset =) There is no reason for you to get annoyed or stop playing something you love cause of these immature people. =)

P.S. So when you people say MS isn't doing anything about this... you know what? They are. They're giving you the power to file complains about these rude people. They will get punish for what they do and how they act eventually. =)

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 Hazegray99 wrote:

I was listening to a Major Nelson podcast not too long ago and I thought the guy Major was interviewing said that Xbox does have a team (albeit small) that plays games and "trolls" for bad behavior.  They stressed, however, that we in the community need to do most of the policing since millions of people play on Live.  If you come across bad behavior, file a complaint.  Supposedly Xbox reviews all complaints.

Yes, they have a dedicated team, headed up by Stepto.

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 DesertBear360 wrote:

 Harley C Quinn wrote:

I totally agree with you. I'm sick and tired of guys telling me to get in the kitchen and "Girls don't play Halo!". Seems like every time I play it only gets worse. Everyone keeps telling me to just let it go it's xbox live, but seriously? Why do I have to sit here and listen to grown men tell me to get back where I belong?

First off, it is not all guys that do that just the jerk offs who need to get a life.

Also you don't have to listen to it. You can mute them and set them as an avoided player as well as report them.

Remember you can make your live experience pleasurable as well if you do your part.

I agree with you, it isn't all guys that do it but I have to say it's rare that I ever get a girl trash talking. I mean come on half the time girls keep themselves muted so they don't have to hear crap from the guys. There are some great guys on live but a lot of them are horrible.
The only thing I have to say to that is it's kinda difficult to mute someone when you're in the middle of playing. Although Halo 3 is pretty easy to mute someone before the match starts. I do set people as avoided players and if it's really bad I file a complaint.

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The problem with your "solutions" is they don't change anything and as such other people will meet with them instead... ignoring is the worst thing you can do because it essentially admits defeat, as you are unwilling or incapable of "defeating them" at their own game, or at best making them realize their flaws. IF YOU have to do something to have them stop annoying you, and it prevents you from enjoying the game, communicating with your team (perhaps he's a teammate and you need him to do something) or any number of other things, it is not a fix, simply it ignores the problem, which is the problem with Humanity in most parts, we ignore our problems, until we can ignore them no longer.

Also it should be stated that the Human mind isn't designed nor capable of actually ignoring things, else you'd never have heard what the agitator said in the first place, as the brain and conscious soak up information from all mediums... they don't filter it out until it's already absorbed.

 Dreadnought 017 wrote:

The problem with your "solutions" is they don't change anything and as such other people will meet with them instead... ignoring is the worst thing you can do because it essentially admits defeat, as you are unwilling or incapable of "defeating them" at their own game, or at best making them realize their flaws. IF YOU have to do something to have them stop annoying you, and it prevents you from enjoying the game, communicating with your team (perhaps he's a teammate and you need him to do something) or any number of other things, it is not a fix, simply it ignores the problem, which is the problem with Humanity in most parts, we ignore our problems, until we can ignore them no longer.

Also it should be stated that the Human mind isn't designed nor capable of actually ignoring things, else you'd never have heard what the agitator said in the first place, as the brain and conscious soak up information from all mediums... they don't filter it out until it's already absorbed.

I like this.

Most of the problems we have online come from miscommunication. You have one player who wants to joke around, then you have another who takes the joke too seriously...and then people get their feelings hurt.

The loudmouth kids annoy me too. But telling them how bad they've been and trying to embarrass them won't work. Hell, it didn't work on me when I was their age.

We should talk to them on their level. Joke around like they do. They're not being genuinely hateful. They just like to talk ***, that's all.

(forgive the asterisks...did that to illustrate a point)

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 Dreadnought 017 wrote:

The problem with your "solutions" is they don't change anything and as such other people will meet with them instead... ignoring is the worst thing you can do because it essentially admits defeat, as you are unwilling or incapable of "defeating them" at their own game, or at best making them realize their flaws. IF YOU have to do something to have them stop annoying you, and it prevents you from enjoying the game, communicating with your team (perhaps he's a teammate and you need him to do something) or any number of other things, it is not a fix, simply it ignores the problem, which is the problem with Humanity in most parts, we ignore our problems, until we can ignore them no longer.

Also it should be stated that the Human mind isn't designed nor capable of actually ignoring things, else you'd never have heard what the agitator said in the first place, as the brain and conscious soak up information from all mediums... they don't filter it out until it's already absorbed.

Very nicely worded.

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I just mute people from the beginning of a game generally. So if something is ever said, I don't hear it and never will hear it. Most of the time I am in a party anyways.
I wonder how many people have talked trash to me that I never heard?  Haha.

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