It's a by item fee I think, I think it also has exclusive things, not only what is on the disk, just the same demo's I think..... it's in Issue 74 by the way..... also they mention that the website is being worked on in the letter....

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I'm still confused... what is it?  Is it another disc?

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No, it's dlc on the marketplace by OXM with basically like the disc, but with more.. I think, it costs 200 ms points.... I think, confiusing... I think more is in Issue 72...

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Oops, ya it's issue 74, NOT 73. Sorry for the mix up.
If it's 200 points total, and that's it, I know I will do it.

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So what do you get for the 200 points?  Do you get what is on the disc?

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OK, looks like I need to make a FAQ for this one.  :)

You know how you hear people saying "I don't use the disc any more, I get all my demos on Marketplace" or "Who needs a magazine, I get all my information online"?  Well, we heard people saying that too. And we came up with a better idea.

OXM Digital will be a monthly downloadable package for 200 MS Points (each). It will/can contain exclusive demos, gamerpics, themes, and HD videos -- gameplay footage, interviews, other special stuff. It's the kind of stuff you would find in the magazine, but in digital form. Like the magazine, you can choose to buy every issue of OXMD or you can pick only the ones that interest you.

Is OXM Digital "the disc, but online"? Not really; I think I should clarify what Fran says in her editorial. Her point was that people who currently enjoy the disc will not be left out. And she's noting that for demos specifically, you will have two avenues to get our exclusives. So if you are one of the people who says "I don't get OXM anymore, but I wish I could get that exclusive demo," here's another way to get it. If you're a disc person, you get your disc as you always have, and the demo in question will be on there. If you are a Marketplace person, you get your download. It's whichever version works better for you, but you don't have to miss out when we get exclusive demos like Katarmari Damacy or Eternal Sonata or whatever. (Corporate hat on: I cannot confirm any specific demos that will appear in OXM Digital at this time. OXMD #1 is close to release but not there yet.)

There will be some crossover of other content too, but the Game Disc and Digital are being designed as different beasts. But like the magazine, there are things beyond just the demo. For instance, I'm not allowed to discuss it, but one of the things that will appear in the first OXM Digital is also being delivered on the disc, in a different form. On the other hand, things like OXM Universe will not be on OXM Digital.

And of course, just like the disc doesn't come without the magazine, the OXMD demos don't come without other content -- the HD videos, the exclusive themes and pics, etc. So you're getting more than just a demo for your 200 MS Points.

So...it's not a cut-paste-save-as thing. Disc people will not be abandoned due to the existence of OXM Digital. The disc is very valuable to a lot of our readers and subscribers, and we know that. But...we're also aware that the disc isn't efficient or desirable for another segment of the audience. We're not blind to the fact that the market has changed and Marketplace is a 360-exclusive, very sophisticated and streamlined way to deliver content to people who play and love Xbox. Well, duh. We use it too. OXM should be there. Delivering content to Xbox fans is what OXM has always done.

The goal -- and I hope this makes sense -- is to make as many people happy as we can.

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I'm defiantely getting OXMD. I love gaming news : ) So much so that I actually do a bit of it myself, also through XBL. This is interesting to me, how certain types of content is starting to spill over onto XBL. My friends really like the news that I do, often times they hear things first from me : ) I'm still filling my friends list but it's almost full. Take a look at what I do:

http://forums.xbox.com/13611403/ShowPost.aspx

Could not tell for sure...

I am a subscriber of the print magazine and disc.

Will OXMD provide something I do not already have?

If that's the case, I will be upset... I really don't want to have to spend money in two places, to the same company, for the complete package...

If not, then no problem and I applaud the multi-format effort. PC Magazine came out in a digital format many years ago. It was great for many reasons, but especially for interested readers who lived outside the US as it meant that could still get the mag without having to pay more in shipping.

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 Onza wrote:

Could not tell for sure...

I am a subscriber of the print magazine and disc.

Will OXMD provide something I do not already have?

If that's the case, I will be upset... I really don't want to have to spend money in two places, to the same company, for the complete package...

There will be some crossover of other content too, but the Game Disc and Digital are being designed as different beasts. But like the magazine, there are things beyond just the demo. For instance, I'm not allowed to discuss it, but one of the things that will appear in the first OXM Digital is also being delivered on the disc, in a different form.

Maybe the answer will come when it can be discussed?

 Onza wrote:

If not, then no problem and I applaud the multi-format effort. PC Magazine came out in a digital format many years ago. It was great for many reasons, but especially for interested readers who lived outside the US as it meant that could still get the mag without having to pay more in shipping.

Is OXM Digital "the disc, but online"? Not really; I think I should clarify what Fran says in her editorial. Her point was that people who currently enjoy the disc will not be left out.

Anyway, not clear to me...

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Is OXM Digital "the disc, but online"? Not really; I think I should clarify what Fran says in her editorial. Her point was that people who currently enjoy the disc will not be left out.

Anyway, not clear to me...

OXMD is not the "Disc -> save as DLC." They are different products. But...some content may be shared between the two products, particularly demos, of which there are a finite amount. Some of the videos, for instance, may only appear in one or the other product, or they might be edited differently (say, an interview about a game's single-player campaign on the disc and an interview with the same person about the game's multiplayer aspects on the other).

Yes, it will be more clear later, when I know all the elements that are going into the first OXMD issue.  :)

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I have a question, who's going to be getting the content first now? For instance will subscribers still be first to get exclusive demos on the disc or will the content for OXM Digital go up first on marketplace now. I guess what i'm asking is will there be a timeframe for when OXM Digital comes out, like for example a week after subscribers get the magazine?

 Dan OXM wrote:

 Onza wrote:

Is OXM Digital "the disc, but online"? Not really; I think I should clarify what Fran says in her editorial. Her point was that people who currently enjoy the disc will not be left out.
Anyway, not clear to me...

OXMD is not the "Disc -> save as DLC." They are different products. But...some content may be shared between the two products, particularly demos, of which there are a finite amount. Some of the videos, for instance, may only appear in one or the other product, or they might be edited differently (say, an interview about a game's single-player campaign on the disc and an interview with the same person about the game's multiplayer aspects on the other).

Yes, it will be more clear later, when I know all the elements that are going into the first OXMD issue.  :)

Thanks for the clarifications Dan. I just wished I knew this phantom thread was here before I posted a few long posts in the other thread. I would highly suggest reading my posts there before you reply to my next few comments. It will explain a few things and help you understand where I'm coming from.

 

With that said, here comes some criticism. My first gut reaction to your comments above is ""Bloody ***!". I guess my fears were realized. I was sure hoping that OXMD = OXM Disc on Live Marketplace, but it seems that's not so. When I first read Fran's letter I got the feeling that wasn't the case, but I was hopeful that I read it wrong. I'm not exactly sure what OXM hopes to obtain by making separate content between the two. Though your example of different video content for each medium seems to point to your intentions. It seems you want to nickel and dime us. I can't understand how you expect existing subscribers to not be upset by such an idea. Current subscribers won't want to cancel their subscriptions and just get the digital version since they would be missing on the exclusive content on the disc. But they don't want to miss out on the extra content the OXMD may have either. They're going to be thinking they should already be getting that content as part of the subscription they've already paid for. But instead they're now realizing they will have to pay an additional $30 a year to get the complete package. If you think this will "make as many people happy as we can" then I don't think you've really thought this through.

 

None of this I've mentioned even considers the fact that you're in effect charging for free demos. By doing this you're setting a dangerous precedent that Microsoft might notice. Something I think everybody on Xbox Live might hate you for a very long time. In my other comments I mentioned that offering the exclusive demos free and separate from the other content would be a much better alternative. You could still offer it in such a way that shows that they came from you instead of Microsoft. For Example, you could say "Free demo sponsored by OXM" and maybe offer a commercial or static ad along with the free demo. But if your *** bent on including the demo as part of your $2.50 download, then I sure hope you understand that the rest of the content better be worth that or more. Because if it's not, then people will just see it as you charging for demos and it will fail.

 

For subscribers who think they're getting robbed of the extra content, I hope you have a way for them to get that extra content without having to spend the whole $2.50. Maybe you could offer free codes in OXMU that can be used on OXMD to get that content free? Or maybe you'll offer the extra content a la carte at very low and reasonable prices?

 

Dan, you say disc users are not going to be abandoned due to OXMD, but I can't help but think of the transition to the Xbox 360-only demo disc. You abandoned the original Xbox even though it was very valuable to a lot of readers. So who's to say you won't do that in this case? I can foresee the possibility that you will start offering more and more exclusive content on OXMD such that the disc is no longer needed. Things would have been a lot easier and nicer if you had just made OXMD = OXM Disc on Live Marketplace. Oh well.

 

Anyway, I hope you read my other posts on this matter. I gave you some constructive feedback on how you can keep OXMD from failing. Just remember the focus of OXMD needs to be on the extra content and NOT demos. You only have one chance to get this right or you'll catch all matter of *** for it. Good luck.

 

Tommy McClain

 Dan OXM wrote:

 Onza wrote:

Is OXM Digital "the disc, but online"? Not really; I think I should clarify what Fran says in her editorial. Her point was that people who currently enjoy the disc will not be left out.
Anyway, not clear to me...

OXMD is not the "Disc -> save as DLC." They are different products. But...some content may be shared between the two products, particularly demos, of which there are a finite amount. Some of the videos, for instance, may only appear in one or the other product, or they might be edited differently (say, an interview about a game's single-player campaign on the disc and an interview with the same person about the game's multiplayer aspects on the other).

Yes, it will be more clear later, when I know all the elements that are going into the first OXMD issue.  :)

Thanks for the clarifications Dan. I just wished I knew this phantom thread was here before I posted a few long posts in the other thread. I would highly suggest reading my posts there before you reply to my next few comments. It will explain a few things and help you understand where I'm coming from.

 

With that said, here comes some criticism. My first gut reaction to your comments above is ""Bloody ***!". I guess my fears were realized. I was sure hoping that OXMD = OXM Disc on Live Marketplace, but it seems that's not so. When I first read Fran's letter I got the feeling that wasn't the case, but I was hopeful that I read it wrong. I'm not exactly sure what OXM hopes to obtain by making separate content between the two. Though your example of different video content for each medium seems to point to your intentions. It seems you want to nickel and dime us. I can't understand how you expect existing subscribers to not be upset by such an idea. Current subscribers won't want to cancel their subscriptions and just get the digital version since they would be missing on the exclusive content on the disc. But they don't want to miss out on the extra content the OXMD may have either. They're going to be thinking they should already be getting that content as part of the subscription they've already paid for. But instead they're now realizing they will have to pay an additional $30 a year to get the complete package. If you think this will "make as many people happy as we can" then I don't think you've really thought this through.

 

None of this I've mentioned even considers the fact that you're in effect charging for free demos. By doing this you're setting a dangerous precedent that Microsoft might notice. Something I think everybody on Xbox Live might hate you for a very long time. In my other comments I mentioned that offering the exclusive demos free and separate from the other content would be a much better alternative. You could still offer it in such a way that shows that they came from you instead of Microsoft. For Example, you could say "Free demo sponsored by OXM" and maybe offer a commercial or static ad along with the free demo. But if your *** bent on including the demo as part of your $2.50 download, then I sure hope you understand that the rest of the content better be worth that or more. Because if it's not, then people will just see it as you charging for demos and it will fail.

 

For subscribers who think they're getting robbed of the extra content, I hope you have a way for them to get that extra content without having to spend the whole $2.50. Maybe you could offer free codes in OXMU that can be used on OXMD to get that content free? Or maybe you'll offer the extra content a la carte at very low and reasonable prices?

 

Dan, you say disc users are not going to be abandoned due to OXMD, but I can't help but think of the transition to the Xbox 360-only demo disc. You abandoned the original Xbox even though it was very valuable to a lot of readers. So who's to say you won't do that in this case? I can foresee the possibility that you will start offering more and more exclusive content on OXMD such that the disc is no longer needed. Things would have been a lot easier and nicer if you had just made OXMD = OXM Disc on Live Marketplace. Oh well.

 

Anyway, I hope you read my other posts on this matter. I gave you some constructive feedback on how you can keep OXMD from failing. Just remember the focus of OXMD needs to be on the extra content and NOT demos. You only have one chance to get this right or you'll catch all matter of *** for it. Good luck.

 

Tommy McClain

 Dan OXM wrote:

OK, looks like I need to make a FAQ for this one.  :)

You know how you hear people saying "I don't use the disc any more, I get all my demos on Marketplace" or "Who needs a magazine, I get all my information online"?  Well, we heard people saying that too. And we came up with a better idea.

OXM Digital will be a monthly downloadable package for 200 MS Points (each). It will/can contain exclusive demos, gamerpics, themes, and HD videos -- gameplay footage, interviews, other special stuff. It's the kind of stuff you would find in the magazine, but in digital form. Like the magazine, you can choose to buy every issue of OXMD or you can pick only the ones that interest you.
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The goal -- and I hope this makes sense -- is to make as many people happy as we can.

That doesn't exactly make me happy, and it definitely doesn't sound like a better idea. We already pay $50 a year to play games online, now you want us to pay for the 'free' demos too? I understand it could potentially be a lot of content per month and 200 points isn't that much, but it is one thing to pay for a physical mag you can take anywhere, it's another to pay for info and exlcusives you are already supposed to be paying for.

That I just don't understand. This sounds exactly like what the access to 'Exclusive Gold content' ( http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/features/goldenage.htm ) when paying for an Xbox Live Gold membership is supposed to offer. Hopefully the demos will only be made 'exclusive' for a week or so like it sometimes was in the past for Silver vs Gold members if you stick with this 'better idea'. Sheesh.

"I wish I could get that exclusive demo" if demos are going to be switched from a free download to a pay service, expect myself and a large horde of other Xbox live users to come down there and beat you with a stick. Exclusive interviews, gamer pics, themes, reviews, thats fine, but starting to charge Xbox live customers for demos is a REALLY REALLY STUPID IDEA.

I hope I've managed to get my feelings across to OXM and MS in a constructive manner.

OXM Subscription = demos (some exclusive (timed for the most part)), mag, videos (sometimes exclusive), gamerpics (not often enough, but I think they remedied that) and polls/backwards compat update/game content.

If you subscribe (magazine). Are you paying for demos? Or are you buying a periodical that comes with them?

Some people say, "*** the disk, it just has demos that you can get on XBLM anyways!". So they choose to get their demos that way. Sure they might have to wait longer for the more exclusive ones to show up on XBLM, but they'll still come here to let us know about it. lol

So anyone. Tell me the difference. What is different from the magazine sub and the OXMD sub... besides the obvious. One's pulp and one's digital... we all know that.

We don't even know the full details yet, and already accusations are flying.

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"We don't even know the full details yet, and already accusations are flying."

Well said!

In fact, the rumor mill and assumptions and accusations are getting out of control, so it's time to lock things down. Maybe we spoke too early, maybe we shouldn't have said anything, but how OXMD and the disc relate is technically TBD. We have ideas, we have plans, but since OXMD isn't available yet, I gotta call a screeching halt to the conjecture and say...stay tuned.

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We had a little discussion on the Uk Gerneal section, Please check it out

 

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 HOODED VENDETTA wrote:

We had a little discussion on the Uk Gerneal section, Please check it out

 

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Looks like you guys handled it the same way many handled it here. I hope you've been reading all the threads here concerning OXMD and what Dan OXM has had to say. The full details haven't even been released yet. So conjecture at this point, will just spur the rumor of OXM feeding MS the idea of paying for demos.

Mag subscription ($) = demo disc/compat update/polls/videos etc etc etc

OXMD issue ($) = mag equivalent (as far as I can tell), sans the pulp and plastic of the disk

Two optional ways to get OXM.

And if OXMD will have the user submitted gamerpics that the mag sub gets... then it's already worth its price. Worse gamerpics on XBLMP cost 200MS. =]

Pass it on.

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Well since the link in the article points to this thread...

 AzBat360 wrote:

Just a quick post to post this URL. Looks like the news is getting coverage outside of the forums.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27193

Tommy McClain

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