Re: Gifting

If anyone has ever used the Steam platform on the PC. You know that you can gift Games, DLC & ECT...

I think it would be a great idea for Microsoft to allow gifting threw the Xbox Live platform.

There are times when a friend doesn't have a specific map pack or DLC.

I would like to be able to purchase it for them threw my account and send it to them, or vice versa.

Say a family member just got a brand new Xbox & a Gold Live account & I want to send them MS Points.

A gifting system could be a beneficial way to improve sales & bring more users into the market.

This has been a wish of mine for some time now. I only hope that the idea is being considered.

Thank you for your time reading this.

Would be nice.. I've tried to find everyway possible without having to go buy a points card and then giving them the code..Ughh

not really

1st and foremost MS points and content is region locked you would have to ask your local politician as distibution rights and content laws are different for every region

copyright laws are there for a reason

not all content is available in all regions

you cannot freely give between regions for a reason

also when you gift a content on steam you lose access tot hat content because you constantly have to be online to use the content

unlike CONSOLEs you buy a content you can use it offline or online

your best choice is actually buying a code for MS points or DLC codes from the region you want to gift to

as you cannot gift US content in RUSSIA for example from a US account however you can purchase a code from an russia ETAILER and gift the code via msging

 

also there is also consideration of FRAUD and stolen accounts or making your account an commerical product which is a violation of the terms of use

 

people do not take care of their password or login details

 

Good point ngocphi. There are a lot of factors to consider. You explained a lot of good points.

I can dream though can't I?

A free world were people aren't in any way corrupt or dishonest.

Just dreaming of a better world.

ngocphi:

not really

1st and foremost MS points and content is region locked you would have to ask your local politician as distibution rights and content laws are different for every region

copyright laws are there for a reason

not all content is available in all regions

you cannot freely give between regions for a reason

also when you gift a content on steam you lose access tot hat content because you constantly have to be online to use the content

unlike CONSOLEs you buy a content you can use it offline or online

your best choice is actually buying a code for MS points or DLC codes from the region you want to gift to

as you cannot gift US content in RUSSIA for example from a US account however you can purchase a code from an russia ETAILER and gift the code via msging

 

also there is also consideration of FRAUD and stolen accounts or making your account an commerical product which is a violation of the terms of use

 

people do not take care of their password or login details

 

I'm not gonna talk about MSP here since that's a lot more complicated. However, I'm pretty sure no-one is asking to be able to gift games, DLC or other content to someone living in a country that has banned the content or just hasn't let it be released just yet. Just the ones the person COULD get legally if only they had the money or will to get that content. And so what if Steam blocks your access to the stuff if you don't have online capabilities? That's a whole other story and personally I think you could compare this gifting more with buying a physical copy of something and sending it to your friend or whatever. Consoles wouldn't have to block the stuff you gift, would they? It's not like we're asking to be able to gift the same thing over and over again so that one person buys it and eventually that one copy has circulated through 20 other players. Things are still tied on a profile/console on Xbox as well and the license transfer isn't something you can do every day.

Sure you could get a code from some other country, wait for it to get to you and give the code to someone or simply add the person as the recipient in the first place, but that's a long process and easily takes a few days. Gifting would be pretty much instant so yeah, it's something worth wishing for.

you don't get how DLC works do you?

gifting wouldn;t be instant

prepaid codes are

you cannot get US dlc in lets say russia as it is not available marketplace content is locked to the region they are purchased in

not really AMAZOn will give you a dlc code instantly you just have to ask for the code and then provide the receiving email again you still are restricted by region you cannot give OUT Of region DLC or codes to another account

 

 

you would still have to purchase the russian DLC with an russian account to give to a russian person as US content wouldn't be available in RUSSIA or UK

 

the regions would still have to match

 so you are actually better off still going to your local etailer with the correct region

 

ngocphi:

you don't get how DLC works do you?

gifting wouldn;t be instant

prepaid codes are

you cannot get US dlc in lets say russia as it is not available marketplace content is locked to the region they are purchased in

not really AMAZOn will give you a dlc code instantly you just have to ask for the code and then provide the receiving email again you still are restricted by region you cannot give OUT Of region DLC or codes to another account

 

 

you would still have to purchase the russian DLC with an russian account to give to a russian person as US content wouldn't be available in RUSSIA or UK

 

the regions would still have to match

 so you are actually better off still going to your local etailer with the correct region

 

I do get how DLC works at the moment, thank you very much. So yeah, there's the EN version and the FR version etc. and there are region locks and stuff. (Though not everything is region locked so why couldn't some american buy a non-region locked game for some russian friend?). Sure, it might be a bit too complicated to add a feature that would allow some US player to gift something to a RU player but there's literally nothing that would stop MS from creating a system that would at least allow a person to gift something to someone living in the same country. And "pretty much instant", not instant.

no that won't work

the marketplace is not one marketplace

it is seperated by regions

you cannot gift MS points or content from a different region you would have to buy a RUssian DLC code from an etailer as you do not have access to the russian content

 

the capability already exists via 2 systems

your friendly neighbourhood etailer and the family plan for gifting ms points

 

 

steam requires you to be online at all times to use DLC
xbox live and other consoles do not and can be used either or

the current way marketplaces work won't allow it as you click purchase and is queued to you and you can have it on your hd

 

 

that not only allows fraud but illegal transactions that aren't supported like fraud and people selling accounts or worse compromised accounts

 

what you do that is unmoderated is your business

 

 

live life and play fair it is that simple

 

 

Gosh, I wrote a nice reply and this stupid site wants me to re-log in thus losing the whole reply :( Anyways: So what if Steam requires you to be online for DLC? And you keep on going about the cross-region gifting. As I said, it might be a bit too compliacted (as of now) but why couldn't a Finn gift something to another Finn? Besides, people sell accounts as we speak without the option to gift anything. Same goes for losing them for phising etc. Why would gifting somehow make it all worse? Sure it would take a few changes to the Marketplace but gifting is perfectly doable. And why ask for feedback if you're not ready to change a few things?

Yeah... when they said it should be easy for someone to gift to someone in the same country, and you replied we couldn't gift to someone in Russia, for example... what was the point of that exactly?

You sell your account you get console baned

There is no allowance in the terms of use that allow you to sell or resell content

Second it makes it easier to bypass the terms of use for violations like permante bans and commerical use of your account

It makes stealing and commericalizing your accounteasier

Sprry I rathrr not give hackers more reason to steal accounts or making it easier for people to cheat

Making transfers a transaction wouls makr terms of use violations difficult to prove if you are buying a cheat and you do it online via msging

Use the etailers like suggested

You do not gift you make purchases on your console or online to your console

First of all, no-one is bying and then reselling the content. Secondly, that buying cheats is a rather bad excuse as to not allow gifting since, if you're that desperate, a) you can easily buy cheats already by giving out codes b) you can easily buy them on different sites and c) you can't gift cheats. It makes stealing ones account easier? How exactly? "Hey brah, get me RE6 DLC, would ya?" "Sure" "Hey man, you just stole my account!" "I know right, gotta love this gifting button since it somehow gets me your login information and all that :)"

We aren't talking about selling accounts, we're talking about gifting DLC.  And it sounds like your counterpoint is just circular logic.  We can't do it because they don't allow it yet and they don't allow it because we can't do it.  As for stealing accounts, I thought it was "impossible" to hack an account, so what's the issue?

Ah... The dream of being able to send a gift to friends & family.

I have to add into this conversation that even steam has content gifting blocked for certain regions.

Like China for a major example.

Nearly all content on Steam is blocked from being sent to China.

As for people selling their accounts.

If someone does that the person buying & the seller run the risk of getting in some major legal troubles.

Even without a gifting system, some people sell accounts.

Most of the people who sell accounts are people who've phished peoples information.

Most of the time someone gets their info stolen is when they give it out to websites unaffiliated to Microsoft.

It honestly couldn't be all that hard to implement a similar gifting system as Steams.

I personally would be sending gifts to my family for the holidays or my close friends.

It's rather simple. If certain content is region blocked you simply couldn't send it to that region.

I can see some legal matters that would need to be setup.

However I still don't think the idea is out of the realm of future possibilities.

i don't think you comtemplate the issue with gifting do you

sorry but i rather not give any more excuses or make it easier to cheat or make it easier for people to make money on cheating or stealing

sorry where is your logic with that?

1) yes if you buy a cheat however if you get scamed noone supports or will reverse any damage you done to yourself

sorry NO refunds for cheats or solicitation

2) siquli is the one bringing up the point of selling accounts

i was addressing that KEDA

you are commericlizing your account

keda i thought you would know the terms of use by now to know that isn't allowed

plain and simple no?

sorry how doesn't gifting an item from your account not commericalizing the account?

•Don’t lend, transfer, sell, or otherwise provide access to your account to any individual.

••Don’t use your account for commercial purposes (including, without limitation, trading services or in-game content for currency or Microsoft Points).

if you buy a dlc code and you get scamed that is on you not the service

sorry but it will just make it easier for people to transfer stuff between accounts before they get baned or BAN dodging

www.xbox.com/.../CodeOfConduct

@above person your friendly neighbourhood etailer already does that

and no its not simple for 1

when you buy content you buy it for your console and you download it

xbox live doesn't check or ask yiou or confirm if you deleted the content neither does PSN fyi you cannot select someone elses account

you are not required to be on live unless its online only content

 

 

STEAM allows it because they can confirm if you deleted the content or not because you only have access to the content ON steam

xbox nor psn support it because you can use it offline or online

if you think it is that simple ask all the users baned for marketplace theft

your friendly etailer will take care of you plus email the code to your said "friend"

 

 

 

 

 

I don't imagine it would do too very much to help people dodge bans, as I'm sure not every single thing could be gifted, but only certain items.  Not to mention, they don't get a nice warning so they can start shuffling items about.  Just suddenly BAM, banhammered, at which point I'm certain all the DLC would be gone, not to be gifted again.  Now I'm not saying noone would abuse the system at all, but that already holds true for plain old Microsoft points.  So yes, some safeguards would have to be considered and implemented.  Oh, and no, "gifting" isn't commercializing an account.  Commercialization requires a transaction where both sides receive something.  Gifting, as the name implies, is just one side giving a gift.  Just like you can do with Microsoft points now (which also isn't a violation, provided it's a gift and you aren't trading them for something).  Anyway, yes, it would need work, but I don't think it's an idea that should be completely tossed out offhand.

I understand there would be some legal issues to work around.

Where you're talking about cheating from gifting?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Perhaps some people don't want to use a "friendly" etailor as you call it.

Perhaps they would rather not put their information out anymore & just use the services at hand at home.

I'm not looking to argue about this. It's just a suggestion.

An idea I'm sure is being talked about in more places than just here.

This is part of the wishlist/feedback forum correct?

What's the point of arguing? If you don't like the idea you've said what you think/feel about it.

No need to continue telling people they're wrong & don't know spit about how anything works.

I see a system of gifting would definitely take some work & time to perfect.

However, I also still believe it would boost the sales in the Xbox Marketplace.

As more content would be purchased & GIFTED being the key word.

The content would still have to be purchased.

I understand where you're coming from to some extent though ngocphi.

Commericalization would be a voilation not to mention if you do so it qould make it easier and more work for the xbl pet team

Sorry but if you commericalize your account ot trade for cheating there is no protection against that gifting

Do you guys not read the terms of use I quoted you it

You may not transfer funds or your content

So explain to me how everytime tommy sends his "friend: 1600 ms points and daddy gets angry not omly is ms liable but it isnt a supported service due to tommy using daddys creditcard

That is a safety feature

You are more prone to give out your info by gifting then using an etailer I dont know qhere you are coming up with this stuff

If you dont trust your friendly etailer what etailer are you using and where can I get one that is so funnyI

With an etailer you get an email address thats it that you send out

If you happened to be scammed that is between you and the receiver

Sorry noone is going to provide easier access to scammers and phishers

The only reason forngifting should be between family not between my best besr friend who happems to pffer 10th prestigr lobby or seasons pass access for a meer 1600 points

You know how hard that would be to track?

@keda you mean all the threads about people making family accounts and geting scamed or worse giving their account info and the host of the lobby makes a family account to gift himself or the fifa ultimate team

Dont make you question the need for gifting? Or making it easier to bypass the terms of use?

Sorry guys I dont want to make it easier for people to get scammed

And no the dlc doesnt work the way you are asking

You buy something it is yours

If you buy a dlc code then you can avoid that issue from your friendly neighbourhood etailer 

ngocphi, you might want to go through this topic one more time. "si-/P/-uli is the one bringing up the point of selling accounts" Really now? May I remind you that you were the first one to bring up "people selling accounts" to which I simply replied. Anyways, gifting is not somehow going to put your account information at risk. The recipient won't need your log in information nor can that person somehow go through the gift and see it posted all over. And like I said before, people are already buying cheats all over the world. How would gifting make it any worse especially when you can't gift cheats? And what's with the 1600 msp example? You mean MS would have to refund if a kid uses his daddy's credit card to purchase them to gift something? Coz in cases like that MS simply doesn't even refund the points. Your console, your responsibility. And seriously, if you lose your account because you were stupid enough to give someone your infromation, it's your own fault and should not stop adding a gifting function. And for the last time: gifting isn't trading.

I'm sorry, but when someone is saying "I think things should work differently" and the argument against boils down to "that isn't how this works"... that just gives me a headache, and I have no idea how to address it.